Tinkers: what will people do next?

[Teriz]

A hunter with a gun and Engineering with a Mechanical pet is a tinker.

No, it’s a Hunter with a mechanical pet. In order for it to be a Tinker, it needs to be using Tinker abilities. Of which, the Hunter class has none, and has never had any.

Tinker is took up by engineering in game. Also hunters lost black arrow

None of the abilities of the Tinker are in the profession either.

Also Hunters currently can perform Wailing Arrow and Withering Fire. Two abilities from Sylvanas HotS.

Tinkers are engineers their abilities are tied to the in game engineering

Then show me the abilities.

But your own words

Hunters lost black arrow and under your logic items dont count

Except when the items give them class abilities. Such is the case with Sylvanas’ bow and Quiver. Further, only the Hunter class can use those abilities.

[datguy81]

Once again, the Hunter class has Dark Ranger abilities and items from Sylvanas, but has never gotten Tinker abilities and itemsfrom Gazlowe. That’s a very clear difference.

But your own words

This is like saying Book of the Dead, Antediluvian Conerstone Grimore, Cunning of the CruelShiver Venom Relic,Grim Codex, and Forbidden Necromatic Tome makes you a Necromancer.

Or
Pallid Bone Flute, Dwarven War Horn, Divine Bell, Kowalski's Music Box, Arcanite Ripper, and Lute of the Phoenix King makes you a Bard.

Items don't make classes.

Hunters lost black arrow and under your logic items dont count

[datguy81]

No, it’s a Hunter with a mechanical pet. In order for it to be a Tinker, it needs to be using Tinker abilities. Of which, the Hunter class has none, and has never had any.

Tinkers are engineers their abilities are tied to the in game engineering

[datguy81]

None of the abilities of the Tinker are in the profession either.

Also Hunters currently can perform Wailing Arrow and Withering Fire. Two abilities from Sylvanas HotS.

as I said before

Cluster Rockets (Bombards an area with rockets, stunning enemy land units for 1 second and damaging nearby enemy units.) = https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Goblin_Rocket_Launcher (Fire a powerful rocket at the enemy that does 960 to 1440 damage and stuns them for 3 sec. This thing has quite a kick though... (2 Min Cooldown))

Engineering Upgrade (Passive) = https://www.wowhead.com/engineering

Robo-Goblin (Ultimate) (The Tinker becomes mechanical, rendering him immune to stun, most offensive spells, and several beneficial spells.) = https://www.wowhead.com/spell=20594/stoneform , https://www.wowhead.com/item=158709/...ished-shredder , https://www.wowhead.com/spell=139192/sky-golem (Removes all harmful Poison, Disease, Curse, Magic, and Bleed effects and reduces all physical damage taken by 10% for 8 sec. In the Racial Traits category.)

Pocket Factory is the only not in game as an ability used by another race or item and would be impossible to balance

[datguy81]

Except when the items give them class abilities. Such is the case with Sylvanas’ bow and Quiver. Further, only the Hunter class can use those abilities.

Hunters dont have Black Arrow, Charm, Life Drain, Silence.

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Then show me the abilities.

See the above post

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https://www.wowhead.com/engineering
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=20594/stoneform
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=139192/sky-golem
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Goblin_Rocket_Launcher

[willtron]

Tinkers are engineers their abilities are tied to the in game engineering

Says who?

Just because you lack the imagination doesn't mean they're just engineers as a class.

[Teriz]

Hunters dont have Black Arrow, Charm, Life Drain, Silence.

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See the above post

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https://www.wowhead.com/engineering
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=20594/stoneform
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=139192/sky-golem
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Goblin_Rocket_Launcher

LoL! See how ridiculously dishonest this is? The Tinker's abilities are Pocket Factory, Engineering Upgrade, Cluster Rockets, Robo Goblin, Rock-it turret, Deth Lazor, Salvager, Grav-O-Bomb 3000. None of those are listed anywhere in your list, and some of those aren't even abilities, they're items. I mean you're using Stone Form as a substitute for an ability that allows the Tinker to pilot a mech with enhanced weapons.

Meanwhile, the Dark Ranger's abilities are Black Arrow, Drain Life, Silence, Charm, Wailing Arrow, Haunting Wave, and Withering Fire.
Hunters had Black Arrow for years. They currently have Wailing Arrow and Withering Fire. They don't have Drain Life and Silence because those abilities are in other classes. Not that it matters because Hunters get leech from their pets and Wailing Arrow is an AoE silence with damage!

So to conclude, Engineering contains none of the Tinker's abilities, and Hunters can exclusively use two of the Dark Ranger's and had their signature ability in their toolbox for years. If you want to continue to argue in bad faith, be my guest.

[datguy81]

LoL! See how ridiculously dishonest this is? The Tinker's abilities are Pocket Factory,

How would that be able to be balanced

Engineering Upgrade

yes its called https://www.wowhead.com/engineering

Cluster Rockets

Same as https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Goblin_Rocket_Launcher

Robo Goblin

Same as https://www.wowhead.com/spell=20594/stoneform

Rock-it turret, Deth Lazor, Salvager, Grav-O-Bomb 3000

Not Cannon its from hots and How would that be able to be balanced

None of those are listed anywhere in your list, and some of those aren't even abilities, they're items.

But when it came to Dark ranger you said

Once again, the Hunter class has Dark Ranger abilities and items from Sylvanas, but has never gotten Tinker abilities and itemsfrom Gazlowe. That’s a very clear difference.

Double standards

I mean you're using Stone Form as a substitute for an ability that allows the Tinker to pilot a mech with enhanced weapons.

Cant Balance that and also the Sky golem is a mech you can pilot

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Says who?

Just because you lack the imagination doesn't mean they're just engineers as a class.

Yep we have engineers in the game its called https://www.wowhead.com/engineering Aka Tinkers

https://www.wowhead.com/item=90146/tinkers-kit

[escott410]

as I said before

Cluster Rockets (Bombards an area with rockets, stunning enemy land units for 1 second and damaging nearby enemy units.) = https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Goblin_Rocket_Launcher (Fire a powerful rocket at the enemy that does 960 to 1440 damage and stuns them for 3 sec. This thing has quite a kick though... (2 Min Cooldown))

Engineering Upgrade (Passive) = https://www.wowhead.com/engineering

Robo-Goblin (Ultimate) (The Tinker becomes mechanical, rendering him immune to stun, most offensive spells, and several beneficial spells.) = https://www.wowhead.com/spell=20594/stoneform , https://www.wowhead.com/item=158709/...ished-shredder , https://www.wowhead.com/spell=139192/sky-golem (Removes all harmful Poison, Disease, Curse, Magic, and Bleed effects and reduces all physical damage taken by 10% for 8 sec. In the Racial Traits category.)

Pocket Factory is the only not in game as an ability used by another race or item and would be impossible to balance

I love how people use the shredder mounts and sky golem to dismiss tinkers and conveniently forget that there's an overwhelming amount of dragon mounts and a legendary that turns you into a dragon.

[datguy81]

I love how people use the shredder mounts and sky golem to dismiss tinkers and conveniently forget that there's an overwhelming amount of dragon mounts and a legendary that turns you into a dragon.

Kindra the same way how some people dismiss everything to try to shoe horn a profession in to a class.

[Teriz]

How would that be able to be balanced

It's a mini factory on the ground that summons mini-robots every few seconds. How is that game-breaking?

yes its called https://www.wowhead.com/engineering

Uh no. Engineering Upgrade boosts the Tinker's movement speed and enhances its abilities. It's a passive ability, not a profession.

Same as https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Goblin_Rocket_Launcher

That's an item. This is the ability;
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=136297/cluster-rocket

It even has the correct name.

Same as https://www.wowhead.com/spell=20594/stoneform

Please explain how a Dwarf turning into stone is the same as a Goblin or Gnome inside a mech suit.

Not Cannon its from hots and How would that be able to be balanced

They're already in WoW dude....

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=261516/rock-it-turret
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=261752/deth-lazor
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=261556/grav-o-bomb-3000
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=261739/xplodium-charge

But when it came to Dark ranger you said

Double standards

FFS.....

The Dark Ranger items I'm talking about are the Dark Ranger's Hood, Rae'shalare, and Dark Ranger's Quiver.

You're talking about some random engineering items from a profession, while I'm talking about the literal bow and quiver that Sylvanas uses that grants ONE class in the game actual Dark Ranger abilities. Can you seriously not tell the difference?

[Triceron]

Says who?

Just because you lack the imagination doesn't mean they're just engineers as a class.

The lore treats Tinkers as synonymous with Engineer. We have various NPCs called this, including trainers and vendors. We have multiple references to Tinkers within the Engineering profession itself, including the name of various body upgrades called 'Tinkers'. We have the Tinkers mentioned by name in the Engineering Works garrison as well:

The Engineering Works produces a host of useful gizmos and parts for the intrepid tinkerer, and also creates wondrous mechanical devices.


All in all, Tinkers/Tinkerers are another name for Engineers. That's how WoW has been treating the name.

[datguy81]

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items don't make a class my guy. Mech suit is already a mount in game, No way to balance things permeant movement speed for things like pvp.

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The lore treats Tinkers as synonymous with Engineer. We have various NPCs called this, including trainers and vendors. We have multiple references to Tinkers within the Engineering profession itself, including the name of various body upgrades called 'Tinkers'. We have the Tinkers mentioned by name in the Engineering Works garrison as well:

The Engineering Works produces a host of useful gizmos and parts for the intrepid tinkerer, and also creates wondrous mechanical devices.


All in all, Tinkers/Tinkerers are another name for Engineers. That's how WoW has been treating the name.

100% we even have Tinker kits in game for Engineering. Engineers are tinkers and is the in game profession even tho Teriz has been saying they are coming every x pac since 2012

[Teriz]

The lore treats Tinkers as synonymous with Engineer. We have various NPCs called this, including trainers and vendors. We have multiple references to Tinkers within the Engineering profession itself, including the name of various body upgrades called 'Tinkers'. We have the Tinkers mentioned by name in the Engineering Works garrison as well:

The Engineering Works produces a host of useful gizmos and parts for the intrepid tinkerer, and also creates wondrous mechanical devices.


All in all, Tinkers/Tinkerers are another name for Engineers. That's how WoW has been treating the name.

That type of wordplay is no different than the word "brewmaster", which was used for vendors, a profession, various NPCs who pretty much just got drunk, and a title. The important thing that was missing in all of that were the Brewmaster's abilities from WC3. We got those abilities with the Monk class.

[datguy81]

That type of wordplay is no different than the word "brewmaster", which was used for vendors, a profession, various NPCs who pretty much just got drunk, and a title. The important thing that was missing in all of that were the Brewmaster's abilities from WC3. We got those abilities with the Monk class.

I don't recall any Monk vendors or professions. Engineering has covered the Tinker since day 1

[Triceron]

That type of wordplay is no different than the word "brewmaster", which was used for vendors, a profession, various NPCs who pretty much just got drunk, and a title. The important thing that was missing in all of that were the Brewmaster's abilities from WC3. We got those abilities with the Monk class.

We don't have a Brewmaster class. We have a Monk class.

So if you're talking about Tinker identity being part of another thing, well it's already part of Engineering.


And abilities are kinda meaningless. We're 16+ years into WoW and Mages still don't have Mass Teleport. Not all WC3 abilities need to be translated into WoW.

[Teriz]

items don't make a class my guy.

When the items grant one class in the game abilities from a specific class concept, it most certainly does.

Mech suit is already a mount in game, No way to balance things permeant movement speed for things like pvp.

Please explain how you can DPS a raid with the Sky Golem.

[datguy81]

When the items grant one class in the game abilities from a specific class concept, it most certainly does.

But items don't make the class was what you said to the Cluster rockets

Please explain how you can DPS a raid with the Sky Golem.

It's a mount in wow not a dps tool.

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We don't have a Brewmaster class. We have a Monk class.

So if you're talking about Tinker identity being part of another thing, well it's already part of Engineering.


And abilities are kinda meaningless. We're 16+ years into WoW and Mages still don't have Mass Teleport. Not all WC3 abilities need to be translated into WoW.

Thank you very true ! The Tinker identity is baked in to Engineering

[Teriz]

We don't have a Brewmaster class. We have a Monk class.

So if you're talking about Tinker identity being part of another thing, well it's already part of Engineering.

Except that is a double standard because the Monk class houses the Brewmaster's abilities. Engineering does not house the Tinker's abilities.

And abilities are kinda meaningless.

Uh no. Abilities define the class. If you don't have the abilities, you don't have the class.

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But items don't make the class was what you said to the Cluster rockets

That's what I said about Goblin Rocket Launcher. Stop lying please.

It's a mount in wow not a dps tool.

No, it's a DPS tool, hence why it could kill enemies and buildings in WC3 and HotS. You can't kill anything in a mount.

[datguy81]

Except that is a double standard because the Monk class houses the Brewmaster's abilities. Engineering does not house the Tinker's abilities.

Funny only brew masters I could find were monk trainers odd

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That's what I said about Goblin Rocket Launcher. Stop lying please.

Does the same thing as cluster rockets

Cluster Rockets (Bombards an area with rockets, stunning enemy land units for 1 second and damaging nearby enemy units.) = https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Goblin_Rocket_Launcher (Fire a powerful rocket at the enemy that does 960 to 1440 damage and stuns them for 3 sec. This thing has quite a kick though... (2 Min Cooldown))

No, it's a DPS tool, hence why it could kill enemies and buildings in WC3 and HotS.

its wow not Wc3 or hots and again in wow it is a mount not a dps tool