So far all of the Shadowlands bosses have been shown as incredibly weak so I don't care how they try to spin it.
Sargeras > Zovaal.
So far all of the Shadowlands bosses have been shown as incredibly weak so I don't care how they try to spin it.
Sargeras > Zovaal.
Subarashii chin chin mono
Kintama no kami aru
All that to be debunked by the Primus literally changing size to go through that Runecarver portal
- - - Updated - - -
“Where as Zovaal hasn’t really shown he is a fighter and he won’t have his army behind him to do all the work for him”
Pay attention, before you say weird shit like this
- - - Updated - - -
…what? That just means we have lots of power now tf???
"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator
I don't really know about all the "Titan++" nonsense surrounding the Eternal Ones, but I would wager Sargeras definitely qualifies as "greater than a Titan" considering that he managed to kill the entire rest of the Pantheon in a single battle. I think Sargeras is more personally powerful than Zovaal based on both of their current characterizations, though Zovaal may be more devious and/or intelligent.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
It's been a while since i posted but imo we will have a post shadowlands patch where Zovaal's meddling in the universal origination chamber will upset the balance that sealed Sargeras and it will free him from the prison he's kept deep within the Titan Patheon's chamber. It would allow the story to come full circle where it started, Legion -> BFA -> SHadowlands and essentially the culmination of the TItan story line. In the shadowlands we keep hearing all the things that ZOvaal did to manipulate the biggest force Azeroth has ever seen. It's been finally revealed the key to Sargera's plan to remake the universe where it would eliminate any chance for the Void Lords to dominate or come to existence. So imo upon Zovaal failing the last straw will be broken and Sargeras will be free and we will have to deal with him.
As for the specific topic, Zovaal imo has avoided and manipulated beings like Sargeras because he can't deal with them in a confrontation. And his plan allowed him to skip that all together, cause if he succeeds in the origination chamber, the power of Sargeras doesn't matter. However if for w/e reason he showed up then Zovaal wouldn't stand a chance. And imo its the point of Zovaal, not his personal power but his threat in terms of his plans. I think over the years people have distorted the Titan++ interpretation as if he supposed to be stronger than an individual titan. No his "threat" is stronger, as in wiping out all of existence in one fell swoop without having to deal with a titan at all. He would do what Sargeras wanted to do all along but come very close to succeeding.
Subarashii chin chin mono
Kintama no kami aru
Cause we’re not finishing him off yet? We’re getting heavily nerfed this expac and we haven’t seen most Cosmic Realms in their full extent yet. We’ve seen only parts of the true Nether, been to its veil the rest of it, or have been to worlds where the Nethers influence and dark Magics leak into reality, we haven’t seen the Life plane nor its Zereth, etc
Fact (because I say so): TBC > Cata > Legion > ShaLa > MoP > DF > BfA > WoD = WotLK
My pet collection --> http://www.warcraftpets.com/collection/FuxieDK/
Don’t care about titan++ noise. Sargeras was basically humping Azeroth at the end of legion. That sums it up for me.
Considering the power of Domination and Zovaal by that time being able to power Argus itself through a small fraction of his former power, to dismantle the Arbiter who is said to be omniscient, put Azeroth’s world soul into a very ill state through the Magic’s powering Sargeras’ sword, have Argus use the last of his power to bind Sargeras forever, dominate someone who’s literally said to house crazy holy Magics and mind Hax resistance through Shadow aid, and at FP fuck up the Automa, who exist as the caretakers of the workshops of the Progenitors and literally built all that we know in both the Shadowlands etc using creation Magics, which exists by utilizing fractal Magics which is the very first specimen of the progenitors and their language
Nowhere is it stated that Zovaal and/or Domination was used to empower Argus. Literally nowhere. We know that Argus was pumped full of death magic. That does not at all mean that it was Zovaals power. It was merely done by the dreadlords, on behalf of Zovaal, over eons.
Once again you talk as if your own headcanon is factual, to push your own imagination of the lore.
Sargeras isnt a normal Titan. He was the strongest warrior of them all before his corruption. And afterwards, he became so powerful he destroyed them all with a single fel storm. Sargeras is the definition of Titan++
Last edited by Houle; 2022-01-21 at 07:05 PM.
The crooked shitposter with no eyes is watching from the endless thread.
From the space that is everywhere and nowhere, the crooked shitposter feasts on memes.
He has no eyes to see, but he dreams of infinite memeing and trolling.
He never solo'd them, and the WQ's prototype attacks us with Anima Storms, stop. And it's not...it is ZOVAAL's twisted death magics combined with Denathrius'. Argus is legit called the "JAILER'S GAMBIT MADE MANIFEST", and Zovaal's scythe weapon drop is called "Zovastrum, the unmaking" with the description "Begin the end of all things", not to mention the Maw amps from Revendreth, Ardenweald and the Emerald Dream being counterparts, of which Freya simple took from apparently, as the Dream and Ardenweald both consist of Infinite layers where concepts such as time and space mean literally fuck all, etc, all if which amp Zovaal up more. The Eternal Ones are abstract embodiments of the power of Death, the same with the Titans for Order, etc.
- - - Updated - - -
And Zovaal is literall absorbing her power and slamming tf outta both the world, the Titan, etc.
According to Chronicle Vol. 1, he did. And before employing the "Chronicle is no longer canon" gambit, the series is both canon and a first-person account of the events from the Titans' own perspective - they themselves claim that Sargeras destroyed the 6 remaining members of the Pantheon at Nihilam in a single pitched battle and that he had no other beings aiding him in said battle. Unless your claim is that the Titans are lying about the circumstances of their own deaths at Sargeras' hands, then yes, he did indeed solo them.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
I have no idea how this even hit two pages, Sargeras is the size of a planet it's pretty self-evident who'd win.
Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.
Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Zovaal has done nothing that showcases an impressive amount of power. None of Eternal Ones have. He's been shown to be cunning (thanks in large part due to having the plot at his back, but still), far more of a schemer than a fighter. We could never even hurt Sargeras's pinky, but we will outright kill Zovaal in the raid, and according to the dungeon journal so far so one's even going to help us.
As an ultimate example; to kill Azeroth for his ends, Zovaal had to devise a hideously complicated plan to enter the anvil upon which all of the cosmic force of Death was forged, has to go to a specific room, and enact a specific ritual/sequence to achieve his goal. To kill Azeroth Sargeras just has to be near her and chop her in half.
The Titan++ thing was noise, empty hype. Zovaal has ambitions just as grand as Sargeras's perhaps, but personally he's not shown to be anywhere near as overwhelmingly powerful. Which by the by, I don't consider a particularly bad thing. It was not that satisfying to beat Sargeras by killing his proxy because fighting the man himself is completely impossible.
It is all that is left unsaid upon which tragedies are built -Kreia
The internet: where to every action is opposed an unequal overreaction.
Based on the feats Zovaal isn't even stronger than Arthas Lich King, lmao.