As anyone can clearly see, the poster you're replying to will never admit any possibility that they are wrong about Dark Rangers. They do not like them and will cling to any evidence they can find to support their dismissal even if said evidence is blatantly faulty. As seen in their prior reply to you, giving them perfectly valid examples of Dark Rangers using shadow themed spells doesn't matter because they pick and choose what counts to support their flawed argument. Playable Dark Rangers would be based on Sylvanas, the same as playable Demon Hunters are based on Illidan. Both Player DH and Illidan have an immortal demon soul unlike NPC demon hunters who don't. This would mean playable DRs could inherit banshee abilities (Sylvanas still has them in the 9.2 ptr) and skills similar or the same the ones she has in the raid and in HotS (minus the Jailer abilities.) NPC Dark Rangers not having shadow abilities (they do, link below) wouldn't mean anything as far as what players can do.
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=205421/wailing-arrow
By extracting all the abilities that refer to domination from Sylvanas' SoD boss fight and keeping all of the abilities that match with her HotS abilities, we get an idea of what abilities are hers without the Jailer's influence and by extension what abilities might be present in playable Dark Rangers.
Sylvanas' HotS+ SoD abilities
Black Arrow
Haunting Wave
Shadow Dagger
Wailing Arrow
Withering Fire
Other possible abilities that playable Dark Rangers could inherit:
Bane Arrows
Banshee's Bane
Banshee's Blade
Banshee Form (with Banshee Shroud ability)
Banshee Heartseeker (Ranger's Heartseeker out of banshee mode)
Banshee Wail/Scream
Death Knives
Desecrating Shot
Ruin
Veil of Darkness
Making Dark Rangers distinct from hunter is easy. Anyone who cannot see this is willfully ignorant. Never say never to any class. Plus, this thread isn't about Dark Rangers.
Neither would Mogu. Because they all crumble.
No. Put it here.You can't find the wow wiki? lol
Have you read the lore behind them?What is the joke? goblins are shamans, you can even pick that clas??
No, it is to show me that you use what fits you at the moment.Because is true, they were going to be neutral.
This is to show you, it things change.
I was talking about Night elves and Pandaren.Not rly, if you play in BfA the mogu were enemies of the horde and zandalar
Stop using excuses. They are the same ones. Overlord Gey'arah is as war-crazed as any other Mag'har:No, you are simple trying to distort the argument, the maghar that joined the horde are a group of orcs 30 YEARS after the events of WoD and they were not the iron horde. yet youa re trying to put then in the same bag.
"The Alliance embraces the draenei and their Lightforged kin.
That alone is reason to crush their cities to dust."
"Unlike most leaders, Geya'rah supported the increasingly hostile actions of Sylvanas Windrunner during the Fourth War. Under Sylvanas's command Geya'rah armed her forces for battle against their enemies, which caused the Overlord to remark that the Mag'har always stood ready to crush the bones of their enemies."
Go ahead and tell me what the Orcs are.Like i sai,d keep telling me how you don't know about the horde and the orcs
IT funny that you think there is only two options, either bloodthirst monsters or "gentle giants"
An example of a weak Mogu Warlord?Yet, the weak son would still lead, by Mogu laws, you know, unless his entire family is killed by another warlord.
Breakers: The descendants of the giant Grond who was created by Aggramar to free Draenor from the Evergrowth.How im mistaken if the link literally confirm they are not titan-forged? lmao
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Dar...Clea#Abilities
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Nat...ics)#Abilities
You were saying?
Just like Arthas and Illidan. That's what iconic representative characters are.Sylvanas has her powers both from the Jailer and because she's a banshee. She is 100% unique in her powers.
Had.Also, hunters had black arrow for quite a long time.
Not a class, but a spec within a new class.So you can try and rant and rave about how dark rangers can totally be a class but you'll be wrong every time.
Stop trying to find excuses. You said they don't have any plague-based abilities and you were shown to be wrong.
And no, not everyone can use it because not everyone masters death alechemism like Forsaken do.
Again, coming up with excuses. You said they don't have any shadow abilities. You were proven to be completely wrong for the thousandth time.Shadowburn shot is just an AoE Black Arrow. Ya know....the spell hunters had up until BfA. I guess rogues are spellcasters now since they can do shadow damage too.
Except Shadowburn doesn't summon anything.
What the hell do Rogues using Shadow have to do with spellcasting?
Yes, it is. The matter of transeference doesn't matter.
Look who's talking. You asked for shadow abilities.And shadowburn shot is just an aoe version of a hunter's black arrow. You're being purposely obtuse.
Yes, a key part of the Forsaken. Not everyone can do that.
That's where you're wrong, kiddo.Dark rangers are literally nothing but undead elven hunters.
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then why your point is that the mogu as empire should join the horde who have empires?
They are still shamans, regardless, they still bargain with the spirits.Have you read the lore behind them?
No, again, you show lack of knowledge, the maghar are 30 years in the future, after the events of WoD they didn't want to conquer draenor, or azeroth and lived fine until the draeneis started to hunt then down, so, no, they are not the sameStop using excuses. They are the same ones. Overlord Gey'arah is as war-crazed as any other Mag'har:
Yes, because the draeneis went holy crusade against the surviving maghar"The Alliance embraces the draenei and their Lightforged kin.
That alone is reason to crush their cities to dust."
stop cherrypicking
I tell you what they aren't, they aren't moguGo ahead and tell me what the Orcs are.
And this is probably why you say so many nonsense, you just half-asset read the wiki searching for the arguments that fit your pointBreakers: The descendants of the giant Grond who was created by Aggramar to free Draenor from the Evergrowth.
the wiki literalyt tells us the breakers are not titan-forged, they only say, titan-related races, being related to titans don't make you titan-forged, and only grond was created by Agrammar and not even him was a ttian-forged.
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No one said they should join as an empire. You brought up the empire thing.
Technically. There's nothing spiritual about them in the slightest.They are still shamans, regardless, they still bargain with the spirits.
I just showed you how they're still warmongerers and you come up with that?No, again, you show lack of knowledge, the maghar are 30 years in the future, after the events of WoD they didn't want to conquer draenor, or azeroth and lived fine until the draeneis started to hunt then down, so, no, they are not the same
Lightbound. Normal Draenei had nothing to do with it.Yes,b ecause the draeneis went holy crusade against the surviving maghar
stop cherrypicking
Stop evading. Tell me what they are.I tell you what they aren't, they aren't mogu
A stone giant made by a titan. Hmmm... sounds very familiar:And this is probably why you say so many nonsense, you just half-asset read the wiki searching for the arguments that fit your point
the wiki literalyt tells us the breakers are not titan-forged, they only say, titan-related races, being related to titans don't make you titan-forged, and only grond was created by Agrammar and not even him was a ttian-forged.
"The giants were created from the Forge of Wills.
The stone giants were conscripted to roam the breadth of Azeroth, lifting towering mountain ranges".
you said the mogu empire should join the horde because they have the ogre empire and zandalari empire
who said something about spiritual? i said they are shamanistic, they have shamans under their ranks, something related to the main horde races.Technically. There's nothing spiritual about them in the slightest.
you show how their leader feel against their enemies and the friends of their enemies, your twisting bear no relevance to the discussion.I just showed you how they're still warmongerers and you come up with that?
the lighforged are the MU counterpart, if you want to say the MU orcs are the same as AU orcs, you ahd to consider here too. Besides, they jsut think theya re the same ones, they do not have meta knowledge like us.Lightbound. Normal Draenei had nothing to do with it.
already said, not mogu, if you want more, find their wiki, or find previous comments, when i literally said orcs are shamanistic and tribal people, who, are not like mogu, at all.Stop evading. Tell me what they are.
Its not familiar, you can stop distorting and cherrypickA stone giant made by a titan. Hmmm... sounds very familiar:
Grond is not an titan-forged construct, he is a being created by agrammar by different methods. The things that came out of grond also, are not titan forged, the wiki literally said they aren't.
your argument that "they are giants, they are same" is chilidish
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There is absolutely no way they’d introduce two new subspecs for each class. Would be a balancing nightmare and that alone makes this obviously fake.
The only class they’ve added in just shy of a decade only had two specs. They don’t want new specs. 5 new covenants and 2 specs for each class? Not even remotely feasible.
Let the light and shadow dance!
*Facepalm*
I never said the Mogu empire, i said the Mogu. Refresh you memory. The one who brought up the empire issue was you. You said Horde doesn't have any. To which i replied that it does.
Shamans are spiritual leaders of their tribes.who said something about spiritual? is aid they are shamanistic, they have shamans under their ranks, something related to the main horde races.
And aiding Sylvanas' agression, which has nothing to do with Draenei?you should how their leader feel against their enemies and the friends of their enemies, your twisting bear no relevance to the discussion.
That still doesn't account for normal Draenei.the lighforged are the MU counterpart, if you want to say the MU orcs are the same as AU orcs, you ahd to consider here too. Besides, they jsut think theya re the same ones, they d not have meta knowledge like us.
And did you just call them stupid, unable to differentiate between the two?
That's all you have to describe the Orcs? I'm not looking for a wiki explanation because it would support my viewpoint. I'm looking for your strange perspective.already said, not mogu, if you want more, find their wiki, or find previosu comments, when i literally said orcs are shamanistic and tribal people, who, are not like mogu, at all.
Well, Mogu are not strangers to the elements of air, earth and water, as Lei-Shen was the Thunder King, the Mogu themselves made of stone constructs and them using the waters of the Vale of Eternal Blossoms to create creatures to serve them.
As for tribalism, while true in regards to Mogu, not all Orcs are tribal people. They have many clans. Blackrock aren't tribal, and perhaps also the Shattered Hand and Burning Blade.
You know what the word titan-forged mean?Its not familiar, you can stop distorting and cherrypick
Grond is not an titan-forged construct, he is a being created by agrammar by different methods. The things that came out of grond also, are not titan forged, the wiki literally sayd they arent.
your argument that "they are giants, they are same" is chilidsh
Titan, as in the Titanic beings.
Forged, as in: "make or shape (a metal object) by heating it in a fire or furnace and beating or hammering it."
"he instead decided to create a mighty servant in his own image to uproot the Sporemounds. Aggramar swept his colossal hand over the world and wove its fire, air, earth, and water energies into a massive elemental storm. He channeled the roaring tempest into Draenor's largest mountain, sending the energies blasting through the crust and causing shockwaves of force to echo around the globe. The mountain itself groaned to life and rose up on two colossal legs. Raw elemental power crackled over a craggy hide crisscrossed by veins of molten stone. Aggramar named his creation Grond, and he would serve as the titan warrior's hand on Draenor."
"Crafted epochs ago by the titans from massive sections of stone, these creatures seek to protect the natural environment from any who would cause it harm."
"Stone giants were listed as one of the five types of titan-made giants, and so may be a single race that includes all other types of stone-based giants, such as mountain giants and colossi."
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ONe thing I'll say about all these "leaks". It means Blizz is not far off from announcing the xpac. I always suspect Blizz puts out fake leaks to try and drown out any real ones and typically they happen shortly before expansion announcement.
Facepalm indeed
great, and? are you trying to say to me goblins don't have shamans because they aren't "spiritual"? jesusShamans are spiritual leaders of their tribes.
we are at war, everyone helpedAnd aiding Sylvanas' agression, which has nothing to do with Draenei?
the races don't have meta knowledgeAnd did you just call them stupid, unable to differentiate between the two?
The wiki does not support your view, it literally goes against the bs you saying because you are cherrypicking evidence, a low way to use a fallacy.That's all you have to describe the Orcs? I'm not looking for a wiki explanation because it would support my viewpoint. I'm looking for your strange perspective.
Titan magic, thunder king literally took Ra power, not a shaman, NEXTWell, Mogu are not strangers to the elements of air, earth and water, as Lei-Shen was the Thunder King,
Do you? the wiki page literally told us what the tita-forged races are. And yet, you are wrongly thinking everything titan related is titan forgedYou know what the word titan-forged mean?
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So, let's agree empires don't really matter in this discussion because only a contingent of the race actually joins the factions?
They do. But, i wouldn't consider them Shamans in the traditional sense. Just like Sunwalkers aren't your traditional Paladin.great, and? are you trying to say me goblins don't have shamans because they aren't "spiritual"? jesus Christ
Nope. There were Sylvanas loyalist and there were the rebels.we are at war, everyone helped, my god
"Overlord Geya'rah, along with Jastor Gallywix, were the only two leaders to stay loyal to Sylvanas."
They lived alongside both the Draenei and the Lightbound. I think they can differentiate between the two. And i'm the one portraying the orcs unjustifyingly....the races don't have meta knowledge
And you still haven't provided a detailed description of the Orc race according to your views. Great.The wiki does not support your view, it literally goes against the bullshit you saying because you are cherrypicking evidence, a low way to use a fallacy.
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Fist_of_Ra-denTitan magic, thunder king literally took Ra power, not a shaman, NEXT
Not titan related as in Dragons, for examples, which were only empowered and not created, or the Goblins, which were a race experimented upon, or even the Seekers, which were infused with Light by the Titans.Do you? the wiki page literally told us what the tita-forged races are. And yet, you are wrongly thinking everything titan related is titan forged
Grond was created by the Titan in a similar manner to titanforged like Mountain and Stone Giants.
yeah, you would not, but as we see, what you think hardly, make sense with the canon. Goblins are shamans, orcs, taurens and trolls are shamans. They make sense to be in the same faction.
If you actually played the expansion, you would know everyone was a "sylvanas loyalist" everyone sided with her in the war, and only in the 8.2 we start making a rebellion. with some people, majority of the horde sided with her, regardless.Nope. There were Sylvanas loyalist and there were the rebels.
Geyhara only stand with her because she didn't want to break the blood oath, but once mak'gora happens she knew sylvanas isn't a good leader.
what the hell are you talking about, the lighforged who joined the alliance are the same "subrace" as the lighbound, they literally both lighforged. Maghar don't have meta knowledge to know they are different kinds of zealots, you know, just like humans though forsaken were the scourge.They lived alongside both the Draenei and the Lightbound. I think they can differentiate between the two. And i'm the one portraying the orcs unjustifyingly....
already did, there is no point in giving more to someone who clearly don't want to comprehend the basicAnd you still haven't provided a detailed description of the Orc race according to your views. Great.
you again dropping things thi way, like it prove something.
You know too that death knigths took legion weapons? does not mean they use fel magic
you keep going against the lore, grond was not a titan-forged, the races who evolved from him are not titan forged, period.Not titan related as in Dragons, for examples, which were only empowered and not created, or the Goblins, which were a race experimented upon, or even the Seekers, which were infused with Light by the Titans.
Grond was created by the Titan in a similar manner to titanforged like Mountain and Stone Giants.
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