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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    No, you look at a tyrannical, dictatorial, authoritarian regime that is their government and say, "They're too crazy to go anywhere near." See, it's not about the people of China, it's about their government.

    In theory yes, but closing yourself to Chinese markets is a totally ineffective way to influence the government if you're the only one doing it.

    Only a united economic front could possibly influence China's behavior, and that prospect is severely complicated by trade dependencies. At some point the world is going to have to rip off that bandage and it's not going to be pleasant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    No, you look at a tyrannical, dictatorial, authoritarian regime that is their government and say, "They're too crazy to go anywhere near." See, it's not about the people of China, it's about their government.
    Except, you know, they don’t sell their games to their government but to the people who didn’t choose to live in a dictatorship and are happy to get access to western games for as long as it’s allowed.

    Punishing the chinese people by preventing them access to something as harmless as video games is the most idiotic view one can imagine…
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    Observer's Umbral Shiv? What the hell is this? This looks like some damn replica! Where are the stars! I bet this is some Brother's filthy job!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    No, you look at a tyrannical, dictatorial, authoritarian regime that is their government and say, "They're too crazy to go anywhere near." See, it's not about the people of China, it's about their government.
    Most Chinese people (mainland) now support the government as absolutely as in 1960s. You will understand this when you can read Chinese and surf around Chinese websites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaaara View Post
    Reserved Names
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    The last few about concentration camps are quite shocking if you ask me. Blizzard is willingly protecting a military regime that's torturing people, they're essentially condoning warcrimes. If you take these steps to save the face of China it's essentially complying to human rights abuse and they're guilty by association.

    It's the same as during WWII the companies that willingly worked with the Nazis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meow View Post
    Most Chinese people (mainland) now support the government as absolutely as in 1960s. You will understand this when you can read Chinese and surf around Chinese websites.
    Or they know the PRC is looking over their shoulder 24/7 and not dare speak up as *Gasp* being alive is infinity times better than being a rotting corpse in the ground.

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    Yeah China thing is bad, but can we just look at them saying you no longer need to do the cypher to get flying. That's very unlike Blizzard to change things like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgreenthump View Post
    Yeah China thing is bad, but can we just look at them saying you no longer need to do the cypher to get flying. That's very unlike Blizzard to change things like this.
    "Change it or else." - Signed Your New Overload, Microsoft.

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    I literally just noticed the build number.

    it all makes sense now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Or they know the PRC is looking over their shoulder 24/7 and not dare speak up as *Gasp* being alive is infinity times better than being a rotting corpse in the ground.
    after enough time in these conditions, people start to believe the propaganda. This is why they're doing that whole surveillance thing, they're turning people into willing followers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daronokk View Post
    The last few about concentration camps are quite shocking if you ask me. Blizzard is willingly protecting a military regime that's torturing people, they're essentially condoning warcrimes. If you take these steps to save the face of China it's essentially complying to human rights abuse and they're guilty by association.

    It's the same as during WWII the companies that willingly worked with the Nazis.
    Now can we stop pretending our moral values have progressed?

    It's all holier-than-thou garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Now can we stop pretending our moral values have progressed?

    It's all holier-than-thou garbage.
    That’s only half the country. The other half still gets to play the moral high ground card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daronokk View Post
    The last few about concentration camps are quite shocking if you ask me. Blizzard is willingly protecting a military regime that's torturing people, they're essentially condoning warcrimes. If you take these steps to save the face of China it's essentially complying to human rights abuse and they're guilty by association.

    It's the same as during WWII the companies that willingly worked with the Nazis.
    Then stop using half of the current technologies, because the list of those companies is pretty huge, you can go further and stop asking for medical care, because you know why? doctors are still using researches of doctor Mengele aka the Angel of death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vlprime View Post
    In theory yes, but closing yourself to Chinese markets is a totally ineffective way to influence the government if you're the only one doing it.

    Only a united economic front could possibly influence China's behavior, and that prospect is severely complicated by trade dependencies. At some point the world is going to have to rip off that bandage and it's not going to be pleasant.
    It's not about affecting the government. While it would be ideal if everyone came together and made a difference, the point is to make it so THEY don't make a difference on YOU. That is to say, that the CCP doesn't convince businesses to start doing things "their way", as well as becoming dependent on Chinese markets. Because at that point, then those companies are willing to do things outside Chinese markets that the CCP wants them to do, such as various forms of censorship that are bad for everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    Except, you know, they don’t sell their games to their government but to the people who didn’t choose to live in a dictatorship and are happy to get access to western games for as long as it’s allowed.

    Punishing the chinese people by preventing them access to something as harmless as video games is the most idiotic view one can imagine…
    It's not about punishing the Chinese people, that's just an unfortunate side effect, it's about protecting yourself from the predatory and insidious practices of the CCP. I'd love to give the people access to all the stuff we have, but it's impossible since you have to go through the government, and the government will force you to do things you REALLY shouldn't do in order to get the money of their people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meow View Post
    Most Chinese people (mainland) now support the government as absolutely as in 1960s. You will understand this when you can read Chinese and surf around Chinese websites.
    Well, yeah, they have no fucking choice. Not only are they heavily indoctrinated, there's social credit and re-education camps. Obviously you're going to fucking talk up the government and say you support them if you don't want to get disappeared.

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    I'm glad they changed how we unlock flying. Hopefully this will go quicker, and it'll be a lot more interesting.

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    really shitty job this expansion with weapon and armor transmogs. bland as fuck. they try to put an effect on some to make it look better but it looks so bad to begin with nothing could help it out.
    some vanilla greens/blues look better lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    it's about protecting yourself from the predatory and insidious practices of the CCP..
    You know what would protect you way more than preventing chinese people to play Blizzard's video game ? That YOU stop buying chinese products...

    Quote Originally Posted by Meow View Post
    Most Chinese people (mainland) now support the government as absolutely as in 1960s. You will understand this when you can read Chinese and surf around Chinese websites.
    Chinese internet is under massive surveillance and censorship. If you think that's the place to look for any disagreement you're a fool or an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by primalmatter View Post
    nazi is not the abbreviation of national socialism....
    When googling 4 letters is asking too much fact-checking.

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    ROFL

    Aside from that, glad that someone at Blizzard used their brain for a fraction of a second and changed the idiotic self-harm fire mage set bonus.
    #1) MMO-C should be glad that the British Empire is no more, because they'd want a piece of all the copium trade here.
    #2) Angry players come to the forums to complain about the game... but what loser only comes to the forums to complain about the forums and its users?
    #3)Felating Blizzard too eagerly may lead to oxygen deficiency and worst case asphyxiation. Long-term effects range from delusions up to cerebral necrosis. #4) The WoW playerbase doesn't deserve housing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    You know what would protect you way more than preventing chinese people to play Blizzard's video game ? That YOU stop buying chinese products...

    Chinese internet is under massive surveillance and censorship. If you think that's the place to look for any disagreement you're a fool or an idiot.
    I'm sorry, but you're extremely off-base here. If I am a company, and I choose to sell things to the Chinese markets, I am going to immediately be at a risk due to the insane number of strings attached. This is like a monkey's paw, you see? "I wish I could help the Chinese people by selling them products they want." Congratulations! You get that, but you also have to sacrifice all morals and ethics, as well as kowtow to the wishes of the CCP, and eventually betray your own fucking people by censoring products in other countries to appease the CCP.

    Me, the company, not buying Chinese products, will essentially do nothing but deny them that tiny bit of money. Buying their products is a risk, to be sure, since you give them that itty-bitty amount of power through your money, but it's NOTHING compared to the sheer social power of having another company in their pocket, ready and willing to do whatever they want to maintain a huge stream of revenue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daronokk View Post
    The last few about concentration camps are quite shocking if you ask me. Blizzard is willingly protecting a military regime that's torturing people, they're essentially condoning warcrimes. If you take these steps to save the face of China it's essentially complying to human rights abuse and they're guilty by association.

    It's the same as during WWII the companies that willingly worked with the Nazis.
    So is any company that deals with China, aka most of them. While it may seem shocking, this is shit that any company that sells products in China must follow. Try to live a life free of chinese products, i think you will find that incredibly difficult.

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