What are the best ways to make the Alliance more popular and interesting?

[Utrrabbit]

I think because Horde have better racials and people just need them to raid.

Racials literally do not matter anymore in any content. It has nothing to do with racials. At least in retail.

[VladlTutushkin]

Racials literally do not matter anymore in any content. It has nothing to do with racials. At least in retail.

It has everything to do with racials.

Top guilds move to the faction with stronger racials.

People follow where top players go because they watch guides and listen to meta.

More people means more opportunities to raid and etc.

Its literally how Blizz "fixed" Alliance having more players than the Horde in BC, by tweaking Horde racials and adding blood elves to the Horde.

[Rendark]

It has everything to do with racials.

Top guilds move to the faction with stronger racials.

People follow where top players go because they watch guides and listen to meta.

More people means more opportunities to raid and etc.

Its literally how Blizz "fixed" Alliance having more players than the Horde in BC, by tweaking Horde racials and adding blood elves to the Horde.

If that was true every top guild we be alliance with all dwarfs.

[Byleth]

At this point, lore alone won't cut it.

The only way to resolve faction imbalance is to make their racials more impactful and offer free faction changes.

Nothing less will move the masses.

[VladlTutushkin]

If that was true every top guild we be alliance with all dwarfs.

Its not as overwhelming , thats why. Oh and it WAS during Shadowlands first raid (or was it second?) when dwarf active ability allowed to counter bleed mechanic of the boss. Horde top guilds began swapping to Alliance on PTR but then Blizz "fixed" it.

Meanwhile troll racials, blood elf racials, goblin racials and etc were far more broken on many bosses from WoD to BfA and they stayed broken until almost the end of the raid tier.

[Utrrabbit]

It has everything to do with racials.

Top guilds move to the faction with stronger racials.

People follow where top players go because they watch guides and listen to meta.

More people means more opportunities to raid and etc.

Its literally how Blizz "fixed" Alliance having more players than the Horde in BC, by tweaking Horde racials and adding blood elves to the Horde.

No they do not. Racials have literally not mattered for 3 xpacs. People need to understand when theu say racials matter, thet are looked at as memes (the person)

[froschhure]

an expansion about the children of alliance and horde races. Mixed races as allied races as "main feature"

[VladlTutushkin]

No they do not. Racials have literally not mattered for 3 xpacs. People need to understand when theu say racials matter, thet are looked at as memes (the person)

If racials are "balanced" people have no incentive to switch. To fix the population issue they should skew the racials (like they did for the Horde once) and allow for much cheaper transfers. Then scale the racials again and rise the prices.

[Logwyn]

All they need to do is to add High Elves as a playable race for the Alliance. Then throw in some kinda Fairy race too. Then add in Half-Elves.

[Utrrabbit]

If racials are "balanced" people have no incentive to switch. To fix the population issue they should skew the racials (like they did for the Horde once) and allow for much cheaper transfers. Then scale the racials again and rise the prices.

I already explained why the alliancd population is lower. It has nothing to do with racials and 100% to do with the type of person who picks them. They are the same type that plays FF14, people who play alliance/ff14 are generally more interested in shallow storylines (all of ff14) and usually do not like hard endgame progession. Horde players are more inclined to the endgame snd care extremelt little for storyline.

This is not everyone, but it us a large majority.

[Loreth88]

I already explained why the alliancd population is lower. It has nothing to do with racials and 100% to do with the type of person who picks them. They are the same type that plays FF14, people who play alliance/ff14 are generally more interested in shallow storylines (all of ff14) and usually do not like hard endgame progession. Horde players are more inclined to the endgame snd care extremelt little for storyline.

This is not everyone, but it us a large majority.

Because, the more hardcore pve players left the alliance after the top guild left it. The reason the racial unbalance. The most ally playwrs who stay like the light games and RP, for them the mythic plus and raiding don’t matter. Troll have a bonus bloodlust, taurens have more hp, goblins dmg etc etc as a whole they have better racial abilities for pve. And it’s to late to delete all the racials, take them away, maybe the devs even fear if they do, many players wont play as troll for example.

[VladlTutushkin]

I already explained why the alliancd population is lower. It has nothing to do with racials and 100% to do with the type of person who picks them. They are the same type that plays FF14, people who play alliance/ff14 are generally more interested in shallow storylines (all of ff14) and usually do not like hard endgame progession. Horde players are more inclined to the endgame snd care extremelt little for storyline.

This is not everyone, but it us a large majority.

Wrong. The players are the same fucken blob. They just pick the faction that has better "meta" now. If Horde guilds for example go for Alliance for racials... Then Alliance will become the "hardcore" faction. Because migration of hardcore players happens due to meta changes.

[Ogren]

The problem is that the writers as you said have no passion or true interest for the Alliance characters they write, and that while they make these characters flawed, it's not in a humanizing way or attempt to make them interesting.

Their errors are made out of pure plot-induced stupidity instead of understandable mistakes made out of mistaken judgement or understandable mistakes, and they get no depth from the writers.

Yeah pretty much.

Let's take Avengers for example since the hack writers seem to love that franchise and inject some it into their own storytelling, I had just seen Thor yesterday and even despite him being an OP god of a character the writing focuses more on his character, what he's been through, and personal relationships, which is all much more humanizing than focusing on how "awesome mcbadass op" he is.

That Malfurion and other OP characters don't at least have an entertaining personality or relatable life issues beyond reacting to the big baddy in stoic generic heroic fashion makes it all the worse.

Here is the truth.

The majority Alliance players also play FF14, and want the game to play the same. They are drawn more to the super casual handheld way FF14 treats them.

The majority of horde players do not play FF14 and do not like the way FF14 is. They are drawn more to the game play and way wow is.

This is why alliance has less players.

Maybe but I'd say FF arguably offers Alliance players a better Alliance fantasy than WoW does now, not strictly gameplay but story-wise. More attractive and pretty races that aren't given to the monster faction, entertaining heroes and villains, a good vs. evil story with some shades of grey but you're still the hero in it all.

That Blizzard has done so much to try to please both factions is commendable but unfortunately it has just led to the Alliance being thematically hollow, they aren't the only heroic faction, they don't get to be the pretty faction either since Blood Elves are the prettiest race in the game, no strong representation in end game content, etc. etc.

Can fix some of these matters by making the male races on the Alliance more physically attractive and pleasing to look at but that's too much to expect from Blizzard so all the male human paladins are playing Midlander Hyurs now.

[Utrrabbit]

Wrong. The players are the same fucken blob. They just pick the faction that has better "meta" now. If Horde guilds for example go for Alliance for racials... Then Alliance will become the "hardcore" faction. Because migration of hardcore players happens due to meta changes.

RACIALS literally DO NOT MATTER. They have not mattered for years and years. Anyone who thinks the faction imbalance is from racials is a moron. It is psychological, that's just fact.

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Because, the more hardcore pve players left the alliance after the top guild left it. The reason the racial unbalance. The most ally playwrs who stay like the light games and RP, for them the mythic plus and raiding don’t matter. Troll have a bonus bloodlust, taurens have more hp, goblins dmg etc etc as a whole they have better racial abilities for pve. And it’s to late to delete all the racials, take them away, maybe the devs even fear if they do, many players wont play as troll for example.

People who keep yapping about racials have no.clue about anything. Racials have not mattered since before legion.

[Feanoro]

RACIALS literally DO NOT MATTER. They have not mattered for years and years. Anyone who thinks the faction imbalance is from racials is a moron. It is psychological, that's just fact.

The faction shift was caused by racials and happened well before Legion. Top guilds went Horde and openly stated it was for the superior racials. The crowd followed, and only after the avalanche of faction transfers did Blizzard take any action. The problem is that they did nothing to entice players to return to the Alliance.

People who keep yapping about racials have no.clue about anything. Racials have not mattered since before legion.

Goblin rocket belt on Mythic Kil'Jaeden says hi.

[Ogren]

Always hear Alliance have better in terms of RP but idk I've been having a lot more fun with FF14 RP personally, lot of really nice people probably helps the game doesn't promote tribalism like WoW does.

[Loreth88]

The faction shift was caused by racials and happened well before Legion. Top guilds went Horde and openly stated it was for the superior racials. The crowd followed, and only after the avalanche of faction transfers did Blizzard take any action. The problem is that they did nothing to entice players to return to the Alliance.

Goblin rocket belt on Mythic Kil'Jaeden says hi.

Sadly it matter, for a mythic raid guild every second matter and they get from those abilities. Normal players follow them because ppl follow celeb diets, brands etc that method use in marketing all over this world. Hell of a lot money in it.

[VladlTutushkin]

RACIALS literally DO NOT MATTER. They have not mattered for years and years. Anyone who thinks the faction imbalance is from racials is a moron. It is psychological, that's just fact.

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People who keep yapping about racials have no.clue about anything. Racials have not mattered since before legion.

And i already said that it dosent matter if racials are balanced NOW. The “big migration” happened when they were unbalanced as fuck and so all top guilds switched Horde.

Of course nobody will switch factions now because it COSTS A LOT OF MONEY. So in order to incentivise people to switch they should repeat what they did in BC but for Alliance.

[cparle87]

Yes, in many cases it's that or outright character derailment. There are cases that are just too big and/or stupid for it to just be because of informations the characters don't have.

Sounds like you're just reinforcing my point. "The characters made a totally stupid play that I'd never make cause I know the plot therefore the writing is bad."

[Verdugo]

Sounds like you're just reinforcing my point. "The characters made a totally stupid play that I'd never make cause I know the plot therefore the writing is bad."

Thats not what he said and you know that.