What are the best ways to make the Alliance more popular and interesting?

[Terrorthatflapsinthenight]

Show and use correctly the tensions and distrust that other Alliance races should feel toward the Worgens, both because of Grey Greymane and Gilneas' actions toward the Alliance and because of the Worgens' monstruous lupine appearance, aggressivity and bestiality; and toward the Dark Iron Dwarves due to them being long-time arch-enemies of the other dwarven clans, of them being also past enemies of the gnomes and humans, of their past affiliation with Ragnaros, of their use of dark magics and because of their backstabbing and scheming ways.

[geco]

Show and use correctly the tensions and distrust that other Alliance races should feel toward the Worgens, both because of Grey Greymane and Gilneas' actions toward the Alliance and because of the Worgens' monstruous lupine appearance, aggressivity and bestiality; and toward the Dark Iron Dwarves due to them being long-time arch-enemies of the other dwarven clans, of them being also past enemies of the gnomes and humans, of their past affiliation with Ragnaros, of their use of dark magics and because of their backstabbing and scheming ways.

The problem is that it's too late for that. Almost all races are late to show that they have some interesting theme. Because there was no good reason why it was not shown until today.

What is the point of the Void Elves showing their usefulness if when Nzoth came they didn't contribute anything?
How can the Alianz be useful to the Kaldorei not going to see another Teldrazzil?
Why after 10 years of trust are they only now distrusting the Warguens?

Many races of the alliance had something interesting with issues that have already passed or with the faction war that has already ended. (Or rather clearly WoW is not going to survive another)

[Terrorthatflapsinthenight]

The problem is that it's too late for that. Almost all races are late to show that they have some interesting theme. Because there was no good reason why it was not shown until today.

What is the point of the Void Elves showing their usefulness if when Nzoth came they didn't contribute anything?
How can the Alianz be useful to the Kaldorei not going to see another Teldrazzil?
Why after 10 years of trust are they only now distrusting the Warguens?

Many races of the alliance had something interesting with issues that have already passed or with the faction war that has already ended. (Or rather clearly WoW is not going to survive another)

Yes I know, it's how I would have done the integration of these races into the Alliance starting from Cataclysm, itself not the best story time for WOW, instead of having just Varian distrusting them in a single novel and then moving on with no one else having problems with it.

[Ogren]

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As for changes to the world that have been discussed or foreshadowed, such as the resettlement of Gilneas, those will not be happening during the fast-forward. As cool as it is to show locations and populations evolving because of story progression, we want events of this importance to be in-game questing that our players experience for themselves (as with the reclaiming of the Ruins of Lordaeron in the 9.2.5 update) rather than having it happen off-camera.

Not sure where else this fits but I love the fact Worgen help Undead get their land back before they get anything related to getting theirs back and probably never will.

Just reinforces my opinion that Alliance are a weird zombie faction with retconned/phoned in races the writers don't know what to do with. Super useless and ineffectual at everything.

[PaladinBash]

Make the Alliance predominantly Light-aligned or at least have a major Light-aligned presence that constantly pushes it to stomp the Horde and counters the other elements of the Alliance that are okay with shadier things. The Horde had a lot of these influences in reverse (ie bad elements that encouraged the more neutral or merely pragmatic parts of the Horde to go along with bad shit) and it worked for a time until those eventually became the norm. Having that happen to the Alliance in turn would work out better than the current direction of absolutely nothing mixed in with baffling incompetence and excuse-making.

[Biomega]

Just reinforces my opinion that Alliance are a weird zombie faction with retconned/phoned in races the writers don't know what to do with. Super useless and ineffectual at everything.

That's because the Alliance is mostly written AGAINST things - against the Scourge, against the Burning Legion, against the Horde...

They have no real, inherent motivator. The Horde at least has the whole "we're the people who don't really have homes anymore/whose homes have been destroyed" shtick, which at least gives them a goal in finding a path for themselves. The Alliance, though, never really played on that - even though they could have, with the Worgen, Draenei, etc. Instead, they're always coming from the place of "the Alliance" already being a thing, and everyone just slotting into that thing - whereas the Horde is in constant redefinition of itself.

That makes everything the Alliance does forever petty, because they're effectively always coming across as the hegemonic power in this entire dynamic (regardless of how true that actually is). It makes it really hard to write them powerfully without it seeming condescending or oppressive, and it makes it nigh-on impossible to see them as the underdog you actually want to root for.

I don't know a good solution that wouldn't just be something like aping the Horde entirely by having Stormwind blow up or whatever. It's just really, really hard to make the Big Guy interesting; that's why the Empire in Star Wars is boring, too, and all stories focus either on the Rebels, or skirt the issue by focusing on a minority within the Emprie like the Sith. It would be really, really hard to write a story about the Empire's military that would make them interesting or make you want to root for them.

[Culex]

Delete them.

[VladlTutushkin]

Delete them.

Only if they refund all the subscription at least since Cata. For every month. Then they can delete pretty much anything they want.

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Not sure where else this fits but I love the fact Worgen help Undead get their land back before they get anything related to getting theirs back and probably never will.

Just reinforces my opinion that Alliance are a weird zombie faction with retconned/phoned in races the writers don't know what to do with. Super useless and ineffectual at everything.

Alliance is only reason Azeroth still exists because if they were not being Horde’s punching bag, Horde’s shoulder to cry into, Horde’s disputes mediator, Horde’s fucken nanny to change their diapers Horde would have first taken over the world, ruined it and then imploded onto itself in a Warcraft version of a nuclear war/apocalypse.

Blizz shit on faction so hard that they dont realise they also make other faction look like absolute retards.

[Grazrug]

Only if they refund all the subscription at least since Cata. For every month. Then they can delete pretty much anything they want.

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Alliance is only reason Azeroth still exists because if they were not being Horde’s punching bag, Horde’s shoulder to cry into, Horde’s disputes mediator, Horde’s fucken nanny to change their diapers Horde would have first taken over the world, ruined it and then imploded onto itself in a Warcraft version of a nuclear war/apocalypse.

Blizz shit on faction so hard that they dont realise they also make other faction look like absolute retards.

Lmao the Alliance are literally evil imperialists who stole their land from other races and built their kingdoms on the corpses of people who used to live there before them. The World owes the alliance nothing.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Lmao the Alliance are literally evil imperialists who stole their land from other races and built their kingdoms on the corpses of people who used to live there before them. The World owes the alliance nothing.

...so just like the Old Horde of Draenor. Got it.

[Ogren]

Lmao the Alliance are literally evil imperialists who stole their land from other races and built their kingdoms on the corpses of people who used to live there before them. The World owes the alliance nothing.

I know you're trolling but I wish that were true, it would be less pathetic portrayal of them than what's actually canon right now.

[Terrorthatflapsinthenight]

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Not sure where else this fits but I love the fact Worgen help Undead get their land back before they get anything related to getting theirs back and probably never will.

Just reinforces my opinion that Alliance are a weird zombie faction with retconned/phoned in races the writers don't know what to do with. Super useless and ineffectual at everything.

Worgens helping the Forsaken, their worst enemies who invaded and plagued their kingdom and killed their prince and many of their brethren, ressettle Lordaeron ?

Man, each time I think WOW writers can't go any lower, they manage to surprise me.

[Varodoc]

Worgens helping the Forsaken, their worst enemies who invaded and plagued their kingdom and killed their prince and many of their brethren, ressettle Lordaeron ?

Man, each time I think WOW writers can't go any lower, they manage to surprise me.

I was the only one who realized that it wasn't just Sylvanas who was going to get white-washed, it was her entire race of murderers, mad scientists, and monsters.

Now Blizzard will simply use the excuse "oh nyoooo :// their souls were stoled by fwostmourne!!! they didnt mean to be evil!!! it was all the janitor's fault!!!!" to white-wash the Forsaken race as a whole. The Alliance will be forced to accept it and will not seek reparations of any kind for all the shit the Forsaken have been pulling since WC3. We already see the Worgen helping the Forsaken rebuild Lordaeron.

[Cynical Asshole]

Make factions purely ideological and remove race-faction restrictions.

Keep faction conflict, it's just instead of humans vs orcs, it will be humans and orcs vs humans and orcs.

[Terrorthatflapsinthenight]

I was the only one who realized that it wasn't just Sylvanas who was going to get white-washed, it was her entire race of murderers, mad scientists, and monsters.

Now Blizzard will simply use the excuse "oh nyoooo :// their souls were stoled by fwostmourne!!! they didnt mean to be evil!!! it was all the janitor's fault!!!!" to white-wash the Forsaken race as a whole. The Alliance will be forced to accept it and will not seek reparations of any kind for all the shit the Forsaken have been pulling since WC3. We already see the Worgen helping the Forsaken rebuild Lordaeron.

That's even more retarded after Blizzard itself made it a point so many times that the Orcs weren't simple slaves and tools of the Burning Legion and were still largely responsible and guilty of the crimes they commited as the Old Horde.

[VladlTutushkin]

Lmao the Alliance are literally evil imperialists who stole their land from other races and built their kingdoms on the corpses of people who used to live there before them. The World owes the alliance nothing.

Only humans with trolls, and only because high elves put them up to that. Aka the blood elves, lol.

Also Horde is the only faction that ACTUALLY ruined their homeworld and genocided their neighbor species.

[Ardenaso]

Worgens helping the Forsaken, their worst enemies who invaded and plagued their kingdom and killed their prince and many of their brethren, ressettle Lordaeron ?

not all Forsaken joined the war in Gilneas though

[Terrorthatflapsinthenight]

not all Forsaken joined the war in Gilneas though

Many of them took part in it, and none of them opposed it. And the Forsaken haven't done anything to atone and make amends for what they did to gilneans, humans of Lordaeron or the Night Elves.

Realistically there's no way gilneans would accept to help their nemesis go back to Lordaeron, especially when they haven't their own homeland back (thanks to the laziness of the writers and devs).

[Grazrug]

I know you're trolling but I wish that were true, it would be less pathetic portrayal of them than what's actually canon right now.

Ironforge and Stormwind are built on the corpses of Gnolls and Trolls.

[Cynical Asshole]

Ironforge and Stormwind are built on the corpses of Gnolls and Trolls.

Lol. Built on the bones of highly aggressive, teritorial, and primitive species. Fuck em.