What are the best ways to make the Alliance more popular and interesting?

[Skytotem]

Warcraft "wyverns" are not rly wyverns, they are manticores, i don't know who was the big brain who named then wyverns, wyverns are dragons with 2 legs and 2 wings(different from the common 4 legs 2 wings).

Usually the manticore is not a winged beast and have a human face, but D&D make then winged and with a lion-ish face, Wow prob took from that but change the name for some reason.

Some persian manticore stories gave em wings apparently but regardless the model itself looks wonky, there's good manticore art out there for other settings but Blizz's art is just too... cut/paste bodytype.

[Every Pwny]

I don't think it's possible at this stage of the game, but giving them allied races people want to play might help, not things like kul'tiran or mechagnome which are the least played of every race by a fair margin.

[OwenBurton]

I don't think it's possible at this stage of the game, but giving them allied races people want to play might help, not things like kul'tiran or mechagnome which are the least played of every race by a fair margin.

I was joined Warcraft fairly late compared to some players...but was this truly always the case? Was there ANY expansion or time period where the Alliance was more popular than the Horde? Or was the Horde always simply the more popular faction, period?

[Skytotem]

I was joined Warcraft fairly late compared to some players...but was this truly always the case? Was there ANY expansion or time period where the Alliance was more popular than the Horde? Or was the Horde always simply the more popular faction, period?

Vanilla the Alliance vastly outnumbered the Horde.

Belfs were added almost explicitly to address the faction imbalance, but even in TBC the Horde was outnumbered, I think Wotlk/Cata is when things really changed.

[Flatspriest]

I think the best way to make the Alliance more popular and interesting is to make some of their leaders the villains for a change instead of the Horde always being the ones villainized and/or killed off.

[Skytotem]

I think the best way to make the Alliance more popular and interesting is to make some of their leaders the villains for a change instead of the Horde always being the ones villainized and/or killed off.

I don't want the Alliance to just have a repeat of what happened to the Horde.

Cata/MoP/BFA wasn't any fun for the nelfs or humans just because Blizz villainbatted Garrosh and Sylv.

The Alliance should be allowed to have flaws and be antagonistic but Blizz needs to stop having outright VILLAINS for entire expansions originate in the factions.

[Thundering]

Its simple.

1. Dont have so unbalanced racials one of the rootcouses for the death of the alliance.

2. Less Horde centric story the story has ignored the Alliance since Cata and forward.

3. Show the Alliance the story, Alliance normally dont get to see more than like 30% of what happens since the devs dont play Allaince and never seem to want to make any Alliance centric story.
They have some great characters they could show of way more if they wanted, but if Alliance characters ever become something they are normally "neutral".

I don't want the Alliance to just have a repeat of what happened to the Horde.

Cata/MoP/BFA wasn't any fun for the nelfs or humans just because Blizz villainbatted Garrosh and Sylv.

The Alliance should be allowed to have flaws and be antagonistic but Blizz needs to stop having outright VILLAINS for entire expansions originate in the factions.

I fully agree with you, the best story of wow is from vanilla, tbc and wotlk and the factions dident need a "villian".

They just need strong cool characters that work for everyone, like Varian, Bolvar and Baine, characters that can see beyond Horde Alliance. The Horde need more characters like this.
An the Alliance needs to have their cool leaders to stop dying, and they need to make sure not to waste characters like Turalyon, he has really been wasted but could have been a very good character.

[Soon-TM]

An the Alliance needs to have their cool leaders to stop dying, and they need to make sure not to waste characters.

For a moment, I thought you were talking about the Horde, which saw its cast decimated after MoP. As a matter of fact, NO Alliance leaders have ever died in WoW, other than Varian... And maybe Fandral if you want to be really specious. As for wasted characters, that applies to A and H alike.

[Skayth]

The alliance story, in essence, is of humanity. And that is not very fun. It's pretty boring when everyone is literally sidelined for humans to be the pinnacle of everything. I wouldnt mind playing the night elves, if they had still been the savage but good elves from wc3. But they lost everything to be in the alliance, they have basically took the savage out of them.

Draenai were going to be a fun option, if not for the fact they are race that will only do good to a fault, ever since their inception. (Yes I get it, if they go down the darker path, or not the naru then they are no better than the eredar) but now, they merely are becoming the scarlet crusade in purging everything that not light bound and they will have a dilemma come soon. (Interesting to see where that goes)

Gnomes and dwarfs have not ever held my attention. Dark iron I wouldnt mind playing, as they have a rift with the alliance (which makes it fun)

Worgen had good ideas but failed miserably. Hell, unless they changed it, tess still isnt one. Otherwise they are merely just humans that get angrier and shapeshift. There are plenty of good ideas here, but instead, they control everything to a fault. It's like taking the berserker armor without going through the trials and tribulations to even build it. It should be a trial every fight or in story case, political discourse. Instead they are good doggos.

Void elves shouldnt exist. Shoulda just given high elves. Pandaren dont really exist anymore, sadly. Even then, their story story sucks of playable pandaren (when pandaren from the actual continent are so much cooler) kul titans? More humans, greaaaaaattttt. Mechagnomes are that.

Basically the entire story of the alliance comes down to this, either infallible to a fault, and cleaning up the mess of x big bad or the horde... or their heroes are hijacked for everyone.... or they have such a generic and boring storyline

[thunderdragon2]

nothing can be done at this point, the damage that's been done to faction balance is irreversible now the mass exodus of alliance to horde many expacs ago doing alliance sadly i don't believe that now there is anyway to get horde players to reroll horde the devs did their damage now the player base needs to live with it

[Mic_128]

I don't want the Alliance to just have a repeat of what happened to the Horde.

Cata/MoP/BFA wasn't any fun for the nelfs or humans just because Blizz villainbatted Garrosh and Sylv.

The Alliance should be allowed to have flaws and be antagonistic but Blizz needs to stop having outright VILLAINS for entire expansions originate in the factions.

I agree, but at the very least, stick Anduin and 'humans' towards the back and let the other races have time to shine. Let the dwarves take charge for an expansion, for example.

[threads]

redo all the alliance char models for one. they all look terrible after the first revamp and nothing like the classic ones. i would actually just take the option to use old models back so i dont have to look at the new ones.

[Skytotem]

I agree, but at the very least, stick Anduin and 'humans' towards the back and let the other races have time to shine. Let the dwarves take charge for an expansion, for example.

Honestly that'd be refreshing, though Magni can't really serve as a viable aggressor after serving as Azeroth's speaker.

I suppose Muradin could realistically head an aggressive angle on the Alliance, given he's always been a fighter and explorer and that dovetails well with the 'implied' bad things of the Alliance paralleling colonialism to a degree even if they've never really done much with that angle past the one dwarf dig that bulldozed a tauren village in vanilla.

[Mic_128]

Honestly that'd be refreshing, though Magni can't really serve as a viable aggressor after serving as Azeroth's speaker.

I suppose Muradin could realistically head an aggressive angle on the Alliance, given he's always been a fighter and explorer and that dovetails well with the 'implied' bad things of the Alliance paralleling colonialism to a degree even if they've never really done much with that angle past the one dwarf dig that bulldozed a tauren village in vanilla.

Don't forget, you've also got Kurdan and Moira as well, could have some fun politics with each doing deals with the other races to steer the expansion's campaign.

[FuxieDK]

I think the best way to make the Alliance more popular and interesting is to make some of their leaders the villains for a change instead of the Horde always being the ones villainized and/or killed off.

We already have Jaina and to some degree Glenn.

[Skytotem]

I fully agree with you, the best story of wow is from vanilla, tbc and wotlk and the factions dident need a "villian".

They just need strong cool characters that work for everyone, like Varian, Bolvar and Baine, characters that can see beyond Horde Alliance. The Horde need more characters like this.
An the Alliance needs to have their cool leaders to stop dying, and they need to make sure not to waste characters like Turalyon, he has really been wasted but could have been a very good character.

Eh, Baine isn't cool. Baine is an alliance character who happens to be on the Horde. Blizz needs to do a LOT of work to fix him after having him say Taurajo was a legitimate target (even if it's true that the Alliance wasn't trying to be overly brutal BAINE should not be the Cdev's mouthpiece for that opinion, Baine should be on the Tauren's side)

I get what they were going for, with a character who supports peace and working together with the alliance... but that's ALL they've had Baine do. He hasn't done enough independent of being 'the peacemaker'.

They could've at least had him defend Horde civilians during the Alliance's attack on Dazar'alor... but they couldn't even be bothered to have him do anything there.

[Ogren]

If only Blizzard saw more to the Dwarves besides just being drunks.

[Skytotem]

Don't forget, you've also got Kurdan and Moira as well, could have some fun politics with each doing deals with the other races to steer the expansion's campaign.

I really like the idea of Moira seeking to combine the Dark Irons industrial techniques with Gilneas, while Kurdran works with Danath to strengthen ties between Stromgarde and the Wildhammer.

[Aresk]

Worgen had good ideas but failed miserably. Hell, unless they changed it, tess still isnt one. Otherwise they are merely just humans that get angrier and shapeshift. There are plenty of good ideas here, but instead, they control everything to a fault. It's like taking the berserker armor without going through the trials and tribulations to even build it. It should be a trial every fight or in story case, political discourse. Instead they are good doggos.

Not only is Tess not a worgen; the game has gone out of its way in the heritage questline to point out that becoming a worgen is antithetical to what it means to be a worgen. Rather than gifting her with the pack form, Goldrinn sends her on a vision quest to come to the conclusion that being Gilnean is truly what it means to be a worgen, and accepting the wolf form would just be a hindrance to holding onto that identity.

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They could've at least had him defend Horde civilians during the Alliance's attack on Dazar'alor... but they couldn't even be bothered to have him do anything there.

They had him doing that in the Battle for Lordaeron, at the very least.

[nvaelz]

nerf orc racial to 10%