Sylvanas confirmed to be a Fast and Furious character. Muh family. Much like Arthas and his horse Golden is unable to write a villain protagonist who doesn't have monomania.
As for Gilneas, the only thing new is the predictably trite take on Liam. That she didn't want to invade Gilneas and considered it a waste of time and resources has been the case since Cataclysm and only contradicted in Chronicle Vol. 3 right before BFA's character assassination tour de force, said retcon making zero sense in light of the fact that it claims both that Sylvanas meant to kill herself after Arthas was done and that she had territorial ambitions that, what with being dead if her suicide succeeded, she'd never be able to pull off.
Obviously not, I mean look at him. His argument is also disingenuous and meant specifically to sway Sylvanas. However, for someone who's formative experience was being betrayed and maimed by his family to treat it as a weakness and exploit the close bonds with it in others is very appropriate. Much as it is for an immortal who's seen countless of iterations of finite lives go the same route and make the same mistakes with no way to help them avoid it and only being stuck sorting them to both consider said lives deterministic and irrelevant and to torture them out of spite as a prelude to wiping them out. Or to use an intelligence network, a literal fate-telling machine and events he personally instigated in order to feign clairvoyance and pull his agents to his side. Such a character would be a pretty functional villain. Sure is a shame we never fucking see him in game.
@Nerovar
Shadowlands baffles most when you get these glimpses that the writers did actually consider both worldbuilding and the implications of their writing, yet the lack of time and their own ineptitude crippled them from telling the story they wanted. That and choosing to write about the meaning of the soul, determinism and intelligent design through a Superfriends episode in an MMO who's lore has always been setting-first.
Last edited by Super Dickmann; 2022-03-25 at 10:32 PM.
Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.
Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.
Oh ffs. Why they let Golden keep writing books after War Crimes and Before The Storm or brought her on the team to write for cinematics and quests in-game I'll never understand but that's just fucking ridiculous. I can't wait for the "Don't worry guys Stormheim was just Sylvanas being intimate with her self-imagined father-figure Genn, there was only a 'little' poison on the arrow that pierced his chest after all she was gwumpy" - Golden writing for the Messiahification of Sylvanas for Expansion 12.
I take solace in the fact that WoW's lore is so transient and erratic that all this shit might as well not be canon. All this is built on sand and will change at the nearest occassion. When nothing matters, nothing matters; you can come up with your own better version and it will be as valid as the official stuff.
Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.
Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.
the problem is that sylvanas knows that the nathrezim are evil and if someone like malganis asks you to kill millions of people it is something that no one with a common sense could do. this is stupid i can't believe this is the big reveal!! all those interviews before shadowlands where they said that we would know the truth of sylvanas "mask fall" and we would understand their motives or they were a lie or rewriting
I think it's clearly an attempt at trying to have one's cake and eat it too, like not wanting Worgen fans to be too angry that Sylvanas is so so extremely sympathetic and absolutely whitewashed in a moment where she is essentially a clear villain to another player's story, but at the same time look at how much of a badass Genn is written as, even being seen as an equal to the Banshee Queen herself who has taken on much more powerful foes than Genn.
It's just that the writers are complete shit and haven't really portrayed either characters in a way that's consistent with what we've known so far like Genn being easily taken out by a meme character or Sylvanas being completely heartless in Gilneas. I mean, sure, I can believe that perhaps Sylvanas back then would be capable of respecting the Gilneans as worthy adversaries given that they put up a very good fight in Gilneas, but that hardly lines up with the Worgen's consistent weak portrayal in the rest of the story past that as well as Sylvanas's climb to being a Saturday morning cartoon villain that looks at everyone like an insect ready to be squashed for the sake of her master scheme.
Last edited by Ogren; 2022-03-26 at 02:15 PM.
it's hilarious how this is what sylvanus has been retconned into, a literal Fast and Furious character all about "muh femly". Everything she did was for "family" and we should just throw the character that she was pre-BFA into the bin, cause now she's been this F&F morally grey character all along.
Fantastic writing as always Blizzard, top tier
as I called it few pages back, turns out her motivation was indeed as stupid as "OMG I DID IT ALL FOR LOVE", just top kek stuff
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ya, this type of shit was expected at this point of the narrative state of wow. Of course it's all been retconned into w.e the heck this nonsense is.
From: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...74/unknown.png
to "oh I respect and see myself in Genn! I regret killing Liam!" -_-
like holy fck, the amount of retconning is on another level with Danuser and his writing team, like they are just ripping apart w.e existing lore they get their hands on to push their garbage writing.
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another hilariously garbage part of the new book, and boy there is a lot, is how it's ended with Sylvanus going: "oh ya I'm actually happy with my exile, cause it's a goal!". And she's going to find and be with her love Danuser Nathanos, and the two will be completing their daily quests together in a Jailer free Maw... so basically just community service.
and btw, Nathanos is going to also get off scot-free for all the evil shit he did for his "queen". From the messed up stuff with killing his cousin and stealing his body to all the stuff with the war/genocide/helping the jailer. And good god reading the stuff in the reddit thread about how Danuser's self-insert is being written with sylvanus.
this is what Danuser thinks is a punishment for genocide, murder, mind control, torture, starting a world war, betrayal, dooming the entire universe cause you were pissy about the afterlife, not caring about a dying planet, actually listening to a dude called the Jailer and so on. I mean, Danuser is not even having her get any Revendrath time.
Tedium is somehow the punishment for all that, and we'll be expected to forget and forgive when Sylvanus shows up in a later expansion all forgiven cause she collected some souls
Last edited by voidox; 2022-03-26 at 03:23 PM.