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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by exochaft View Post
    *edit* - Forgot to mention: anyone else find it rather humorous about the comment of death being mercy? ...seriously Blizz, what are you thinking, we literally have been in the afterlife this entire expansion. Whether they kill her or not doesn't matter, she'll still be in the Shadowlands. You could kill her and still give her the same sentence. Destroying your soul is one thing, but the standard death sentence basically has lost all its teeth now, especially since apparently we can just move back and forth between the realms anyways.
    I can't remember specifically where offhand, but it was said in game that if you die the Shadowlands, that's it, your anima scatters irretrievably. Maldraxxus is specifically stated to be the sole exception to this rule because of the zone-wide necromantics it employs and the flesh crafters making bodies.

  2. #122
    From watching the BFA Cinematic to now... whoever wrote her like this... I honestly hope they step on a Lego. I know it's that guy but anyone else involved... legit... step on a Lego time.

    Like a fresh from the box Lego too.

  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Vortsex View Post
    He did. You saw the cutscene where Sylvanas was looking at herself burning Teldrasil and the other atrocities she committed under the Jailers control and screaming at "herself" and calling "herself" a monster and so on. She's just taking the highroad and saying it was still her. She did those things, under control or not, it was still her. So she still takes responsibility for it.
    You missed the point of that cinematic. It wasn't Sylvanas the Banshee screaming about the atrocities, it was the frozen part of her soul, struggling to come to terms with what she did.


    She was absolutely, demonstrably not controlled by the Jailer.
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    FruitySalad boy, this is a fantastic thread and is really going places. I just want to make sure I'm on page one of what is bound to be a long lasting and productive thread. It's amazing there are no other threads discussing the squish, as I'm confident you would have just posted in them if they did exist.

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by lordjust View Post
    It is a soft ending. The sylvanas book goes a little bit into detail but basically once she enters the maw the first thing she does is try to find nathanos because her big goal and reason why she helped the jailer was to be with the one she loves in the afterlife. So she gets what she wanted from the beginning to some extent and shes happy to be of service and help make things right again instead of only serving, meaining she doesn't do her sentence because she's forced to do it but because she wants to do it and would've done it regardlessly if she was sentenced for it or not. She rescues the souls she condemned to the maw so the arbiter can judge them and send them to their intended afterlife so that these souls won't necessarily end up with the souls of people they loved except sylvanas. The "broken" system of the shadowlands is still in place but doesn't matter anymore to her because she got what she wanted.

    So all in all it isn't really a punishment for her but a happy ending because she gets what she worked towards since legion (the jailers plan kicked off with the invasion of the burning legion and was previously halted by arthas because he broke free of the jailers control).
    Admittedly, one thing I do find odd is the insistence that her penance must be punitive—I'm speaking mostly from Catholic tradition here, as that's how I am religiously, but I do think that it's a bit of a misunderstanding of penance as a concept to think that it's necessary for someone to suffer to repent. Masochism and self-mortification isn't strictly a condition for regret—rather, I think it's better to consider intent.

    Honestly, in that way is where I think Sylvanas may come off as lacking. Although she does have something of a redemption arc and seems to recognize what she did was wrong, I think she never spent sufficient time thinking on it and mostly had a single, rather odd cinematic where she sort of simply realized she was a bitch this whole time. She also never did much in regards to the whole "chemical weapons", "human wave tactics" (which she was plenty okay with even before the whole split-soul new perspective thing) or "willingly making a demon her advisor" thing—I think those are also pretty serious things weighing on her, not just Teldrassil. Even her actions in Cataclysm were never really atoned for—she never asked to talk to Greymane, for instance, or the survivors of Southshore about the things she did.

    It simply feels incomplete—she is only being redeemed for one thing we know of. She hasn't apologized for anything else, repented for it, or even indicated she's guilty. And she is definitely more guilty of other things than just Teldrassil.

    I would much prefer to see a more intelligent and focused take on this arc.

    There's also that it just doesn't feel like vain, obstinate Sylvanas – living or undead – to apologize for the horrible things she did in any environment. I don't even think getting a new perspective is consistent with her previous character—she always struck me as a Machiavellian twat and little else. I think the idea that she was ever an actual hero is purely a Shadowlands invention—every other portrayal of her up until now has always portrayed her as objectively pretty evil.

  5. #125
    This entire arc can be summed up in one word:


    meh.


    It no longer prompts any emotional response

  6. #126
    You can tell this wasn't the original intended fate they had for her. Looks like a lot of the backlash and early prediction of her redemption made them change things up and punish her, but still not after the revealed the real her is innocent.

    I'm not sure when the Sylvanas book takes place, but it definitely is being delayed to change some stuff. "Hey christie, that soul searching redemption story we had for Sylvanas after the Jailer dies... yeah we gotta delete that and make some other stuff up to finish the book, like maybe some alliance pandering"

  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    sylvanas is going to be in the maw for a LONG time, if not forever.
    "Time in Shadowlands flows differently"

    Yea...Long time, if not forever is going to end up being very relative and open to special kind of interpretation. Undoubtedly during next expansion already, that "forever" has passed for poor Sylvie in the Shadowlands, and her task being done. Then she walks out redeemed and having totes suffered the set punisment. Count on it, since they've written the way out for her on every opportunity.
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  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by Vortsex View Post
    He did. You saw the cutscene where Sylvanas was looking at herself burning Teldrasil and the other atrocities she committed under the Jailers control and screaming at "herself" and calling "herself" a monster and so on. She's just taking the highroad and saying it was still her. She did those things, under control or not, it was still her. So she still takes responsibility for it.
    No he did not control her, and that vision was clearly the 2 parts of her soul talking to each other.

  9. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Oneirophobia View Post
    I hope the jailer activated all 2 of his brain cells and gave Nathanos to Denathrius to imprison somewhere in Revendreth, away from where Sylvanas would think to look. I don't know why you'd keep a valuable piece like Nathan in the Maw where Sylvanas could find him when he was keeping it from her that he was even killed, although that is sort of the thoughtless writing we've become accustomed to.
    To be fair, the Jailer had half of Sylvanas's soul on him the entire time and she didn't know. I think it's safe to say he didn't need to pass off the soul and could hide it himself.

    That being said, the most relatable kinda hell a player can relate to, endlessly collecting souls from the Maw.

  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Millyraynge View Post
    Sylvannas Maw Runner
    Sylvanas Maw Walker.

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Mrbleedinggums View Post
    Really wish they just killed Tyrande instead, instead of keeping her whining, raging self there to cater to a terrible fanbase.
    You could sub in Sylvanas for Tyrande and your statement would work too.

    I do find Tyrande annoying though.

  12. #132
    So like Lightning taking the train to paris she heads off to the maw no doubt to be reunited with the balding ass that is Steves self insert.

    Western Lightning right till the very end. What a hero. Don't you all love Sylvanas?

  13. #133
    Sentenced to grind the souls weekly quest for eternity ... would have been a fitting end to the writers of the last few expansions.

  14. #134
    While I did not like the story that got us here, I think this is a good ending for the character. Have her off toiling to help those she wronged the most, for likely a very very long time. More satisfying than giving her a last minute blaze of glory heroic sacrifice or letting her off the hook back into Azeroth. I would have preferred no redemption at all and her dying a villain but this way at least she's having to do something to atone and help the people she sent to the maw.

  15. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Florena View Post
    While I did not like the story that got us here, I think this is a good ending for the character. Have her off toiling to help those she wronged the most, for likely a very very long time. More satisfying than giving her a last minute blaze of glory heroic sacrifice or letting her off the hook back into Azeroth. I would have preferred no redemption at all and her dying a villain but this way at least she's having to do something to atone and help the people she sent to the maw.
    It is a pretty shit ending. We brought in magic souls severing bullshit mcguffin to brutally force a redemption story that makes less sense then the characters motives ever since wrath.

    The really sylvannas killed herself flinging her body from icc to be impaled by saronite( not sure that is how its spelled) spikes.

    What came after was a weird impostor with utterly nonsensical goals who existed solely to brute force the plot.

    It's time to let this horrible character fade from memory never to be referenced again.

  16. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by Gratlim View Post
    This pretty much means WoW continues being Sylvanas story for a while. She is back in 10.x. Mark my words :,)
    She'll find a bomb in the Maw that blows up, breaking the veil again, but this time in the dragon isles.

    And thus we will get Explosion of Dragons!

    With sylvanas as our main story npc since she feels bad about accidentally triggering the bomb.

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    People's reaction: "Ah yes a perfect end, having to do dailies in the Maw of all places. That should be some torture!"
    What People forgot: 9.1 happened, covenants are literally camped in the Maw beating Mawsworn over the head while already doing this and the Jailer, the main threat and source of torture, is disenchanted. She literally can just walk around Torghast jangling the Jailer's key ring and saying "your spirit is now freed" as she opens cages to souls that she just as likely put there while she also gets to look for Nathanos and all she has to worry about is a conjured owl watching her till she is done.
    I won't be surprised if she literally turns up next expansion with her task already finished and after being called on as a necessary 'tracker of souls' or Sylvanas Soul Searcher if you will to fill in some emergency plot point while shadowed by Nathanos in a new form.
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  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Sluvs View Post
    So, shoved down a drawer and forgotten about?

    This is the outcome of the story that they spent years telling?

    That was underwhelming, still I can't help but think that this might be the better outcome. I don't know if they could pull off having a NPC this Evil being alive and not feeling like they are trying to redeem her.

    Well, shame.
    At least they're finally cutting their losses. Imagine that they'd use the new expansion to finally wrap it all up, I doubt the game would survive.

  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Celement View Post
    It is a pretty shit ending. We brought in magic souls severing bullshit mcguffin to brutally force a redemption story that makes less sense then the characters motives ever since wrath.

    The really sylvannas killed herself flinging her body from icc to be impaled by saronite( not sure that is how its spelled) spikes.

    What came after was a weird impostor with utterly nonsensical goals who existed solely to brute force the plot.

    It's time to let this horrible character fade from memory never to be referenced again.
    Like I said I don't like the story that got us here. I haven't really liked Sylvanas since Cata and it's only gone downhill from there. But, taking all of the bad that has happened, sending her into the maw to save the souls of the damned after sending so many there serves as a decent punishment. What would you rather they have done with her at this point as a better cap to the story?

  20. #140
    It doesn't even make any sense.

    The reason, that Sylvanas was an evil bitch, was because the state of undeath actually made it hard for her and other Forsaken to feel positive emotions, if not impossible. But being reunited with her "High Elf soul fragment" didn't change her condition. So if anything, that part of her soul would now also be affected by the state of undeath and become just as bitter as the rest of her.

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