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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Soikona View Post
    Good thing for those that have it, bad for those that missed out. Just cause you don’t have it doesn’t mean you are entitled to it. Entitlement, the biggest problem with millennials.

    In before “ i ALREady hAvE iT. i Am dOINg thIs bEcAuse I tHink It IS uNJUST blah BlAH Blah”

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    Considering you can still get them, they are no exclusive….
    At the time they were. Seeing rogues and warriors with glaives was a big deal back then

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Soikona View Post
    Good thing for those that have it, bad for those that missed out. Just cause you don’t have it doesn’t mean you are entitled to it. Entitlement, the biggest problem with millennials.

    In before “ i ALREady hAvE iT. i Am dOINg thIs bEcAuse I tHink It IS uNJUST blah BlAH Blah”

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    Considering you can still get them, they are no exclusive….
    wanting a fair chance to earn things isnt entitlement, entitlement would be if someone said "i want X thing for free".
    Id love to see things that were lost to time (aka fomo rewards to return). It doesnt devalue what others have, it doesnt devalue the work people put in when it was current content and it motivates people to collect stuff, which means people will play more. The fact that they put in hours and $ to make things just for them to go away is just waste of time, money and frustrates people.

    I mean, should i be mad that people can earn a mythic tier set throught legacy content that i had to work hard to get for when it was current? ofcourse not, beacuse being mad at that would be childish.

    take MT for example, i put in quite the effort to get the skins i wanted (21 skins in total that i aquired). i wouldnt mind at all if these rewards came back, infact id be happy to see them being used by people and earned again. I mean, when was the last time saw someone with the cata elite pvp sets? some sets are so rare that you dont even know they exsist until you search them up.

    More options is always good, but i dont raise my hopes up for stuff to come back and if it comes back it will be absolute trash rewards (seriously, new MT brought back recolored Mythic ToS gear, sure the mount is a cool addition but the rest was just meh. not to mention they could put in a recolored bear but they refused to bring back the other rewards as recolors so they are very all over the place with their design philosophies).

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by VinceVega View Post
    Exlusivity is good. Something everyone has is "worth" nothing. Treemount.

    Exclusivity trough timelimitation is shit though.

    It should come trhough skill and/or timeinvestment. Like a mount you have to grind one year every day for. This is something very few will ever have. But no one is ever barred from getting it. Or the Mythic Raiding mount.

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    Disagree. Just because there is a recolor doesn't mean they are the same. Hell most old PVP elite sets don't even have any alternatives. They are just gone forever.
    just beaucse something is avaible doesnt mean everyone has it, it doesnt devalue your work towards a thing. like others said, time limited content is a waste of money and resources, always been and always will. i mean, cutting edge is there, does that mean everyone has it? no it doesnt.

    pvp sets is also a massive waste, especielly since RMX been a steady thing for years, meanwhile i as mythic raider can still refarm old mythic gear if i want to. taking away stuff is never a good idea and reintroducing things people can work for would make it worth for people to stay longer. it wont devalue what you or i have, as long as the challenge is adequate.

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by AstroPup View Post
    I'm kinda hoping with mage tower coming back that they will do something for MoP/WoD CMs as well.
    This is what I found odd about Blizz wanting to turn WoD dungeons into M+ dungeons: it'd be way easier to convert almost any dungeons into a CM dungeon, but converting them into a M+ dungeon is way more work. I'd rather Blizz just bring back CM's as end-game content again. You could easily convert every M+ era dungeon into a CM dungeon, and you could appease all those people that just don't like the hassle of M+ affixes. Heck, you could go back before MoP and convert dungeons to CM's relatively easily.

    Personally, I don't mind limited time stuff, however I was never one to get caught into the FOMO hype... so if I missed something, I didn't feel bad about it. I'd rather new rewards come out that are on par with the old stuff every so often to give people new incentives instead of clinging to old things. Nothing wrong with rewarding your loyal players with unique stuff, as long as you aren't exploiting it for player retention reasons. May be a fine line, but as an example: having the CM rewards for an expansion being available for two years doesn't qualify as FOMO in my mind at all, making it perfectly reasonable to keep them limited to the expansion. Having CM rewards only be available for really short periods of time (like how the Mage Tower was basically only going to be available 2-3 times a year for time walking until the recent change) is definitely in the FOMO territory.

    All in all, it's a balance. If you make certain rewards limited by means that employ obvious FOMO tactics, that's bad. However, if you make no reward feel special and unique, that's also bad. You have to find a balance to avoid FOMO and apathy when it comes to your rewards.

    If you want my opinion about what the real problem is... it's that Blizz hasn't been releasing interesting cosmetics outside of the in-game shop, as well as flooding the game with mounts/pets to where everything just becomes another number to your total. We've gone from "You have an epic mount? that's so cool!" to "...and that's mount 534, just need 66 more for 600!" I think there'd be less conversation about the FOMO aspects of rewards if there were actually more unique rewards for doing interesting things versus the current system of flooding the game non-special stuff.

    One of the major reasons why people seem to crave stuff they missed in expansions past is because Blizz hasn't been putting out anything of that caliber into the game since. Heck, I think the WoD xmog for CMs was generally terrible for many people's taste, to the point where I couldn't get my guildies to even finish the gold CMs in WoD because everyone thought the xmog was ugly... guess Blizz should've put the mount at the Gold instead of Silver. Regardless, you cannot placate everyone, but I feel the best solution is to bring back the content with new rewards at least on par with the old rewards.
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  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by exochaft View Post
    All in all, it's a balance. If you make certain rewards limited by means that employ obvious FOMO tactics, that's bad. However, if you make no reward feel special and unique, that's also bad. You have to find a balance to avoid FOMO and apathy when it comes to your rewards.
    It isn't even FOMO alone. WoW is 17 years old, that's a long time and life happens for everyone. So a pvp player who easily got his elite set all the time has a kid and misses one expansion.

    Doesn't matter if it was hard or easy to get the rewards, time limited rewards (other than titles) where you had to play at a certain time to get them are wrong.

  6. #46
    As someone with all cm sets and magetower stuff.

    yeah.

    Don't be such a wuss, it's just pixels and might open up some more content for players, WoW could be the greatest collectible/completionist game of all time.

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    I like the idea of everyone having access to everything since WoW is mostly a solo game apart from the times we have to tolerate others to achieve certain goals so I am all in for having stuff that I will enjoy since I am completely indifferent to what others have anyway.

    I think we are way past that point in game where having anything meant anything. Its all about metrics. If you have the metrics data who cares what your transmog is?

  8. #48
    Limited stuff should stay limited. I don't have all of it, but that was my choice. They should just make new limited stuff instead of rehashing old ones. Stuff like the legion class hall sets being k-mart versions of the CM sets is fine though as you can tell they were inspired by them, but lesser versions.

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Dakhath View Post
    Limited stuff should stay limited. I don't have all of it, but that was my choice. They should just make new limited stuff instead of rehashing old ones. Stuff like the legion class hall sets being k-mart versions of the CM sets is fine though as you can tell they were inspired by them, but lesser versions.
    Yeah so is the the choice of potential new players to not become wow players since its their fault for not playing wow when they were fucking 10y old

    Then you come complain people are leaving, queues are 1h long and nobody new wants to join a guild. I guess if someone wants to wow to die faster then yeah - limited stuff should stay limited.
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  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    Yeah so is the the choice of potential new players to not become wow players since its their fault for not playing wow when they were fucking 10y old

    Then you come complain people are leaving, queues are 1h long and nobody new wants to join a guild. I guess if someone wants to wow to die faster then yeah - limited stuff should stay limited.
    I'm sure these new players are going to quit the game because .01 of mounts aren't available to them.

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Dakhath View Post
    I'm sure these new players are going to quit the game because .01 of mounts aren't available to them.
    They aren't even coming to play because the insane amount of content they missed that was cut, made irrelevant or straight up impossible to get. Tons of cool mounts, entire questlines, transmogs. You must be delusional thinking its .01
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  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    They aren't even coming to play because the insane amount of content they missed that was cut, made irrelevant or straight up impossible to get. Tons of cool mounts, entire questlines, transmogs. You must be delusional thinking its .01
    And you must be delusional thinking that with literal thousands of options to go after, it's really going to prevent new players from playing the game if they want to. A new player doesn't give a shit about a mount that was removed 10 years ago because they don't know about it and the fact that they have hundreds upon hundreds of mounts to work toward if that's what they spend time doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Accendor View Post
    No, not in any case. Exclusivity is good, not everyone needs to have everything.
    Thats just elitist, entitlement mentality, severely toxic, and poor excuse as a marketing strategy. Nothing more. Nothing should be time limited. If you do the work and earn it, then that should be more than enough.

  14. #54
    I think it's weird how heroic mounts were removed from the game but mythic ones stayed in with a reduced drop rate.

  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Accendor View Post
    No, not in any case. Exclusivity is good, not everyone needs to have everything.
    Exclusively in the context of a difficult challenge yes, in terms of having something available for a limited time is beyond asinine and should never exist

    Do you really feel that special bc you logged in that one time in 2008? Who cares

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Exclusively in the context of a difficult challenge yes, in terms of having something available for a limited time is beyond asinine and should never exist

    Do you really feel that special bc you logged in that one time in 2008? Who cares

    Thats wrong however and does not fit the question asked.
    Its not about "feeling special for logging in once in 2008", it's about "feeling special for beating a challenge in 200 the way it was originally intended."

    Those are 2 completely different things.

    Also ignoring that, yes, even a "I was there!" reward is cool and should be exclusive. That also accounts for all the cool things I never got and want to have.
    If I could just go and get them today, they would be nothing special.

  17. #57
    I'm conflicted. I generally think rewards being time-sensitive is a motivator for me to acquire them.

    I would never have done 36/36 MT challenges in Legion if I didn't know the rewards were going to get removed.

    Same applies to seasonal PvE mounts like Keystone Master and Ahead of the Curve mounts from the final raid of the expansion.

    What it'll never motivate me to acquire is things like Gladiator or even Elite PvP transmog.

    My reflexes are quickly fading, and I don't care to spend hours daily queueing arena, which I find to be stressful and not particularly enjoyable in the first place.

    And if there's one thing I find to be a shame in this game, it's the multitudes of fantastic transmog that'll never again be available to players.

    Which is also why I'm generally not in favor of Blizzard removing things from the game. But if things have been removed already, I'm also not really in favor of bringing them back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Accendor View Post
    Thats wrong however and does not fit the question asked.
    Its not about "feeling special for logging in once in 2008", it's about "feeling special for beating a challenge in 200 the way it was originally intended."

    Those are 2 completely different things.

    Also ignoring that, yes, even a "I was there!" reward is cool and should be exclusive. That also accounts for all the cool things I never got and want to have.
    If I could just go and get them today, they would be nothing special.
    They aren't special and never were though. They are meaningless pixels in some random video game at the end of the day, regardless of how difficult or "special" one feels for having it.

    The only reason there is to show something off, in my mind, would be a reward that's given after a very difficult challenge, since the reward is nothing more than something that represents and lets others know "I bested this hard as shit thing".

    And any and all challenges can be recreated or scaled to fit with live retail, regardless of what patch we are currently on. And bonus, now there's more content to do in the game it's literally win-win. So time gating exclusivity is never a good thing. Ever.

    But if the illusion of feeling special is too tempting for some well I guess I get that too

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoSe7eN View Post
    Thats just elitist, entitlement mentality, severely toxic, and poor excuse as a marketing strategy. Nothing more. Nothing should be time limited. If you do the work and earn it, then that should be more than enough.

    Thats simply not how mmos, especially WoW works.
    A challenge can not be preserved to be exactly as challenging as it was to a specific point in time due to how the game evolves.
    As I said before, I also need to point out, that there are a ton of cool items out there I wish I had but did not get when they were current and available. Still I would never want them to return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Accendor View Post
    Thats simply not how mmos, especially WoW works.
    A challenge can not be preserved to be exactly as challenging as it was to a specific point in time due to how the game evolves.
    As I said before, I also need to point out, that there are a ton of cool items out there I wish I had but did not get when they were current and available. Still I would never want them to return.
    Of course a challenge can be preserved it's 2022 guy scaling technology exists. See the mage tower for an easy example

    FOMO is shit and has always been shit why would you advocate for taking content out of the game

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