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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Insults...nice. But you'd never have the balls to say that to my face...or insult someone over a medical condition in front of me.
    At least not do such a 2nd time.
    As a comedian, I'd be quite afraid of your two lightsabers. And would try not to make jokes about them if you were in the front row.

    Willingly coming to a show that is designed to make fun of them, and then getting mad? Not sure if that's the "manly" thing to do.

    I really hope this event wont resonate to other stupidly aggressive people tho. If Smith keeps getting good press over it, we might start seeing christians visiting Ricky Gervais shows, or people from Louisiana sitting on the front seats during Tom Segura ones, to wait for the right moment to get triggered and slap the comedian in the face.

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by panda040 View Post
    It's a double standard, if it was a white guy who did it twatter would be exploding with racist rhetoric. But since will smith is black its somehow more acceptable to assault someone on stage for a joke.
    This is such a weird hypothetical people keep bringing up with no evidence to support it.

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    People in healthy relationships don't really overreact and put on a demonstration like that, they must be in shambles even more than I thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    This is such a weird hypothetical people keep bringing up with no evidence to support it.
    You'd think the reality would be interesting enough without them having to make shit up to be mad about.
    /s

  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    If you are so thin skinned that you can't take a comedic jab, you won't survive in this world.
    I think Nikki Minaj puts it into perspective. She tweeted this about the incident:
    You just got to witness in real time what happens in a man’s soul when he looks over to the woman he loves & sees her holding back tears from a “little joke” at her expense. This is what any & every real man feels in that instant. while y’all seeing the joke he’s seeing her pain

    The husband gets a front row seat to his wife’s pain… he’s the 1 consoling her… drying her tears behind closed doors when those cameras go off. Social media has made ppl feel that these “husbands” won’t ever run into them in real life.
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    The internet always reminds me that a lot of people don't have a lot of social experience. Also no one actually about the Oscar. People care about one thing, the slap.

    "Will laughed first" - means absolutely nothing about whether someone liked a joke a not. A laugh means a lot...like 'I'm about to slap you.

    "Will didn't have to handle it there" - This is right. But that joke should have been written, or maybe they should have warned the Smiths up to it (that doesn't mean straight up approval but' hey were going to b telling some jokes about you), don't put someone in a situation where they are "expected" take whatever you throw at them to maintain appearances because that's when disrespect or feelings of disrespect hit the hardest. He could have handled it differently but he did not and it's not the end of the world.

    "He should have been arrested". WTF? No. Life isn't a video game where police jump out of the woodwork when something happens and minor infraction takes place. Its like throwing tickets at people for going 5MPH over the speed limit. Let's jail the man for a slap that the person who got slapped brushed off, something that wasn't escalated, isolated, and would land him a brief probation tops if sentenced. We have to get this dangerous man off the streets!

    "Rock should do x" No. Rock handled the situation like an adult if not one who actual how a bit of empathy for the man who hit him. Read Chris. I believe he understood the joke wouldn't was a bit too much. He didn't expect or deserved to hit but I believe he understood everything that led up to that moment and could sort of see where Will was coming from. He also realizes the situation is over. Whether he and Will make up, he knows they can easily just go their separate ways, no need to further push the issue. Whatever happens between them next is private and doesn't have to be public, nor do I believe he took it personally. Not the first or last time one of his jokes, even if it was his, has ticked someone off.


    "It was just a joke" Nah, just because something is a joke means it's acceptable or should just be taken on the chin. People have to learn how to take jokes but the on dishing out the joke is must know how to read the room and is responsible for their words. They must be ready for the consequences, whether it's laughs, boos, or confrontation. We don't need a listen in all the awful shit people try to get away with in the name of a 'joke' and we also don't need people throwing fits every time they are the butt of a joke. But some jokes go too far or hit a nerve, it happens. A good comedian will apologize or accept blowback when a joke hits harder than they intended, even insult comics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I think Nikki Minaj puts it into perspective.
    I tried not to laugh but it wasn't possible, not words I ever expected to read.
    /s

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    Come on guys, it's obviously staged.

    The only such events which wasn't is Kanye's interruption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Imagine unironically defending Will Smith.
    Imagine thinking it's something that people need to actually take sides on

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    Quote Originally Posted by draynay View Post
    I tried not to laugh but it wasn't possible, not words I ever expected to read.
    I imagine Jada is going through a lot of struggles with her autoimmune disease… and it’s Will that’s there with her, seeing her pain. That’s why that "joke" hit hard (no pun intended).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I think Nikki Minaj puts it into perspective. She tweeted this about the incident:
    Still justifying violence while calling for Smith to be canceled by the Oscars. Brilliant work from a stay at home mom.

  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    But some jokes go too far or hit a nerve, it happens.
    No such thing. Because everyone is different and has different psyches, this absolutely has to be an all-or-nothing approach as far as law goes. Either nothing is fine to joke about because some twat out there gets insulted when someone calls his mom fat OR insulting someone's dead mother with very touchy and personal subject material. There is no in-between and I'm not gonna have to stomach litigation for every situation that arises trying to navigate "well, WE (some random group of people) determined this was crossing the line (arbitrarily) but THIS joke over here is entirely fine."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okacz View Post
    Eh, tinfoil hat mode on, but no one would even talk about the show without the slap. Gotta rev the engines up somehow. And it wouldn't be impossible for Rock and Smith to arrange the whole thing to play out the way it did. And Smith is like one of 3 actors that could pull off a stunt like that and still be considered likeable by some people.

    If it wasn't arranged, that was some lame as fuck behaviour. Gotta protect my wife after I already laughed at the same joke she's mad about, or I guess its couch month for me or something.
    Its the Oscars not the Peoples Choice Awards.

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  13. #93
    When you joke about someone specifically you risk that person or someone close to it slaps you

    How is this anything new

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    Quote Originally Posted by panda040 View Post
    It's a double standard, if it was a white guy who did it twatter would be exploding with racist rhetoric. But since will smith is black its somehow more acceptable to assault someone on stage for a joke.
    Whoa, whoa. I do not agree with this at all.

    I think the difference is as I stated originally- Will Smith has a lot more likability than Brody or Gibson. I do not think that has anything to do with race or ethnicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I think Nikki Minaj puts it into perspective. She tweeted this about the incident:
    I think she is wrong and that quite is awful. Behaving as Smith did I do not think is any more or less being a "man" and the implication passive or otherwise that Smith's actions are masculine is toxic.

    That's so awful. I get being upset someone insulted your partner. But the way Minaj contextualized it is damaging.

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    I think that if the Smiths would have explained to Chris Rock in their speech that alopecia is a auto immune disease it would have made Chris look a lot more like a fool than he did now. But when he reacted with his fist instead of his wit then hwe kind of lost any chance he had to seem reasonable.

    I think it especially bad seeing how many kids Will Smith has influenced over the years to react differently than this.

  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by confety View Post
    When you joke about someone specifically you risk that person or someone close to it slaps you

    How is this anything new
    Because it never happened on live TV at the Oscars with high-profile people. Duh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeepBoo View Post
    No such thing. Because everyone is different and has different psyches, this absolutely has to be an all-or-nothing approach as far as law goes. Either nothing is fine to joke about because some twat out there gets insulted when someone calls his mom fat OR insulting someone's dead mother with very touchy and personal subject material. There is no in-between and I'm not gonna have to stomach litigation for every situation that arises trying to navigate "well, WE (some random group of people) determined this was crossing the line (arbitrarily) but THIS joke over here is entirely fine."
    So if someone writes a slur in front of my driveway but they say "it's just a joke" I'm not supposed to react? What a bunch of nonsense. There is no "all or nothing" approach that must be taken because all jokes are not equal and have the same intentions. A good comedian will tell you that. Pretty sure Chris Rock would tell you that.

    Trump ran for president because of a joke. Clinton pissed off a bunch of people see wasn't even referring to because of jokes. Jokes are powerful stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Insults...nice. But you'd never have the balls to say that to my face...or insult someone over a medical condition in front of me.
    At least not do such a 2nd time.
    I never found any appeal in making fun of other peoples appearance. But yes, I bet I wouldn't insult you to your face, no need for the tough act.

  19. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by Aurgjelme View Post
    I think that if the Smiths would have explained to Chris Rock in their speech that alopecia is a auto immune disease it would have made Chris look a lot more like a fool than he did now. But when he reacted with his fist instead of his wit then hwe kind of lost any chance he had to seem reasonable.

    I think it especially bad seeing how many kids Will Smith has influenced over the years to react differently than this.
    Never thought about this tbh, this is a great take.

    The could have explained what the condition is and used it to raise awareness.

    Instead the biggest winner imo is Denzel Washington with the gem.

  20. #100
    Stupid and pathetic actually becoming violent over this. It's also weird how many people actually take the side of someone clearly unable to control themselves over a joke. It's the classic halo effect I guess. It's also weird how hard people are trying to drag race into it. A comedian should never have to worry for their safety when performing. Fortunately it didn't seem to do much damage and I guess Chris will be fine and hopefully feel free to continue exercising his craft.

    That said there's much bigger things going on in the world right now that deserve attention far more. Until Ukraine is entirely free of occupation that should be the only focus.

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