Shadowlands Epilogue Cutscenes, Sylvanas Novel Now Available

[Anevers]

Much like the Old Gods will always find a new powerful agent to corrupt in Azeroth, we cannot end WoW's bad writing without rooting out its source: Christie Golden must go. Can we like, get her an offer somewhere else? Or maybe a Kickstarter to help her launch her own non-WoW-related business of publishing mediocre fanfic?

She isn't responsible for the current WoW Lore... she's just a known name that works in the creative department ignorant people latch on to blame anything they don't like on.

[Jujudrood]

Black holes don't have suction.

Then technically he is correct as any amount of "suck" is greater than 0

But anywho, the story they told, it was just meh, whatever.
The cinematics, though, looked pretty bad.
Like, these were the pre-rendering and polishing versions and someone just said "nah, it's fine, no one will notice".
Kinda sums up how the entire expansion has felt; more or less an outline with no polish and they ran with it anyway.

[arkanon]

Bold of you to assume they'll bother showing anything. If anything they'll release a novel about it after the expansion where she is re-introduced in is over

HAHA, good point. "wanna know how shes back? get involved with our new NFT system in 2025!"

[Darknessvamp]

Nathanos, has done less than Sylvanas arguably.
Tyrande: "Imma pop your top." *decapitates him*
Sylvanas, has done E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G
Try-ande: "I get to judge your fate, do Maw dailies till they stop popping and then be free lul."

Should've just executed her and make her revert to banshee/spirit form before saying "Shadowlands take you" or some shite instead of this pointless intermission.

[Kallisto]

Also, what's stopping Sylvannas from escaping the Maw at this point?

Because for all purposes the Sylvanas that jumped into the maw is a completely 100% different person that did everything leading up to Shadowlands. The Banshee queen pretty much died once Zovaal shoved the soul into the body. As the soul even fractured as shown throughout Warcraft history (The big one being in wrath where the fractured Uther soul spoke freely to Jaina with full free will and having full agency) are their own beings with own viewpoints.

Sylvanas in the recent patch is either 1 of 2 things. A) A return to what she was before she was killed by Arthas or B) A new entity that holds the memories of both, much like Tuvix in the voyager episode.

Both options show how much they despise what the Banshee queen did and feel they have to be the one to atone for the actions of another entity entirely.

[Gorsameth]

Because for all purposes the Sylvanas that jumped into the maw is a completely 100% different person that did everything leading up to Shadowlands. The Banshee queen pretty much died once Zovaal shoved the soul into the body. As the soul even fractured as shown throughout Warcraft history (The big one being in wrath where the fractured Uther soul spoke freely to Jaina with full free will and having full agency) are their own beings with own viewpoints.

Sylvanas in the recent patch is either 1 of 2 things. A) A return to what she was before she was killed by Arthas or B) A new entity that holds the memories of both, much like Tuvix in the voyager episode.

Both options show how much they despise what the Banshee queen did and feel they have to be the one to atone for the actions of another entity entirely.

But that directly goes against the notion that Sylvanas was in control of her own actions. She wasn't, she was a different person with her soul split.

The notion she was in full control and responsible for her evil actions and she was a different person or personality because of the split soul don't match.

[Kallisto]

But that directly goes against the notion that Sylvanas was in control of her own actions. She wasn't, she was a different person with her soul split.

The notion she was in full control and responsible for her evil actions and she was a different person or personality because of the split soul don't match.

Which goes against what we already know in game in regards to other split souls.

It can't be rule 1 for person A and Rule 2 for person B.

Either Uther in Frostmourne never spoke to Jaina. (Which we see in game so it has to have happened) or Sylvanas is basically trying to play nice so everyone can move on.

[slime]

Also, what's stopping Sylvannas from escaping the Maw at this point?

Obviously that bird.

Feel kinda bad for the bird too, why's it condemned to the Maw with Sylvannas?

[Gadzooks]

Obviously that bird.

Feel kinda bad for the bird too, why's it condemned to the Maw with Sylvannas?

It's not a real bird. It's a spirit animal. Would it be better to condemn a living person to watch over Danuser's waifu?

But don't peer to closely to this compromise ending they came up with. It's not really clear what Sylvanas IS - is she alive, as indicated by the vyrkul who sacrificed themselves to keep her alive on Azeroth? (who have been completely forgotten, I guess that was an Afrasiabi plot point.) Can she "die"? How was she able to walk the Maw, when it was so heckerino special that the player could? If she's not "dead", how would she survive in an area with no food nor water? How is she going to do anything with the lost souls, when all of her powers were from the jailer? Does she release them, or poke at them with a stick and tell them to go to Oribos?

See what I mean? So many questions - that will never be answered, because it's better if they just cut and run at this point. Danuser has done enough damage as it is.

If they don't announce his replacement before, during or right after the 10.0 reveal...well, we'll all have plenty to laugh at in the future, because Danuser has been a complete shitshow since he replaced the groper. I'm kind of all in for more years of laughing at that hack, he's the best entertainment around.

[Jshadowhunter]

Because for all purposes the Sylvanas that jumped into the maw is a completely 100% different person that did everything leading up to Shadowlands. The Banshee queen pretty much died once Zovaal shoved the soul into the body. As the soul even fractured as shown throughout Warcraft history (The big one being in wrath where the fractured Uther soul spoke freely to Jaina with full free will and having full agency) are their own beings with own viewpoints.

Sylvanas in the recent patch is either 1 of 2 things. A) A return to what she was before she was killed by Arthas or B) A new entity that holds the memories of both, much like Tuvix in the voyager episode.

Both options show how much they despise what the Banshee queen did and feel they have to be the one to atone for the actions of another entity entirely.

Aren't the covenant leaders able to come and go into the Maw without problem? Couldn't they just bring back all the missing souls?
So the souls in the Maw are basically facing prolonged suffering so that Sylvannas can redeem herself... that's so damn stupid.

[verylargeprime]

She isn't responsible for the current WoW Lore... she's just a known name that works in the creative department ignorant people latch on to blame anything they don't like on.

Fair enough. But I've read what she writes and it's quite bad, in many of the same ways that the current lore is bad. Maybe there are worse influences around. It's all still a symptom of the same underlying problem: poor writing standards.

[Pictomancer]

Anybody read the novel and able to say whether there is anything noteworthy in there?

[Al Gorefiend]

She's doomed to spend eternity grinding the maw dailies and returning 20/20 lost souls. It truly is a fate worse than death.

[Awelon]

How about a great reset? Fire all the current dogshit employees responsible for lore and let us continue from Wrath. Whenever one thinks that Shadowlands can't get any more cringe or worse, they manage to one-up themselves. Dear God almighty.

[Alduin]

Hmm so Sylvanas is basically doing the Return Lost Souls covenant quest without weekly CD? Are there even any souls left?

Shadowlands released on November, 23rd 2020, thats 70 weeks with a (lets assume) 20 souls per week I have already rescued 1400 souls with each of my 15 characters. With nearly 20000 killed during Teldrassil.. well theres no one left to rescue. So who is she searching for? Nathanos?

[Kittysoftpaw]

Can't wait until we get some super cosmic level bad guy that makes us retrieve Illidan and Sylvanas and who knows who else by that point.

i agree that would and could be a epic battle

[Army Dreamer]

Thank you Blizzard. You've created the most prime example of a poorly written character with confusing motives that don't seem to overall match her previous actions in other expansions.

This is a character that should be taught in universities of how to NOT write a character. Let the name Sylvanas Windrunner be echo'd as the biggest embarrassment of the company, and may she never be brought up until a proper writing team is actually confident to know how to direct her character.

May the Shadowlands never be brought up again, May we never return there, May it never come at our doorstep, and May the mention of the Jailer be forgotten from the annals of WoW's history as the Worst Villain to ever be conceived or be given thought.

What I'm getting at is this: This expansion sucks more than a black hole.

These are some nice catches, Hawk Eye!

[Aydinx2]

Thank you Blizzard. You've created the most prime example of a poorly written character with confusing motives that don't seem to overall match her previous actions in other expansions.

This is a character that should be taught in universities of how to NOT write a character. Let the name Sylvanas Windrunner be echo'd as the biggest embarrassment of the company, and may she never be brought up until a proper writing team is actually confident to know how to direct her character.

May the Shadowlands never be brought up again, May we never return there, May it never come at our doorstep, and May the mention of the Jailer be forgotten from the annals of WoW's history as the Worst Villain to ever be conceived or be given thought.

What I'm getting at is this: This expansion sucks more than a black hole.

She has been far more consistent than Garrosh but people don't like to hear that.

[Woggmer]

She has been far more consistent than Garrosh but people don't like to hear that.

The only time Garrosh wasn't consistent was with the Stonetalon Mountain questline in Cata... everything else about him was consistent.

With Sylvanas, they couldn't decide to make her evil or good and when she did a big bad like Teldrassil, they try to go out of their way to justify it. If they stuck with her being a villain to the bitter end, there would be less people to hate her and her character. She could've gone full 90s Disney Villain and people would still like her... but no, they have to include the forced redemption arc which has been done to death at this point and construct a scarecrow villain to push all the blame on to absolve Sylvanas's crime while also purposefully destroying lore all for the sake of this one character.

[Clone]

Tyrande is as fucking insufferable as ever.