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  1. #661
    Quote Originally Posted by Yagsdom View Post
    The topic of conversation was about instanced content, so if you WERENT talking about instanced content then you were irrelevantly responding to my post. Making it pointless.

    Here you dropped this

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    Wrong - THIS is what you responded to and started flapping on about instanced content:

    Quote Originally Posted by Neotart View Post
    I think u dont know what MMORPG stands for, if u wana play solo go play Skyrim or Elden Ring
    SOLO play - no mention at all of instanced content. You are trying so, so hard but you are wrong here. You are constantly relying on strawman arguments - the person you replied to didnt say "mate mmos are all about instanced content" - they mentioned SOLO PLAY.
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    i have several gay friends at work, and i know at least 6 other gay people

  2. #662
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    Here you guys go still flapping on and on and on about instancing, when all I asked is what the second M stands for. You guys know what a strawman argument is, right? You are ALL guilty of it.
    You're ignoring what people are actually talking about in order to score some technical point that the second "M" in MMORPG stands for "Multiplayer", rather than "not instanced". You are ignoring the context and content of what people are talking about solely so you can point and say "nu uh! M is for Multiplayer!".

    Great, you're right about that. Does that advance the actual conversation at all? Enjoy your +1 internet technical point.

  3. #663
    Quote Originally Posted by Yagsdom View Post
    And once again, the context for THAT POST



    Man you keep dropping these


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    Wrong AGAIN - an interesting decision by you to intentionally edit out THIS part of the OP:

    Quote Originally Posted by Hibiki View Post
    I'm very disappointed with whole announcement. No single world about casual and solo players.
    The person then responded and specifically mentioned SOLO play, and said NOTHING about instanced content. You guys are desperately trying to twist this conversation to be about instanced content, when none of the people you are responding to are talking about that at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VMSmith View Post
    You're ignoring what people are actually talking about in order to score some technical point that the second "M" in MMORPG stands for "Multiplayer", rather than "not instanced". You are ignoring the context and content of what people are talking about solely so you can point and say "nu uh! M is for Multiplayer!".

    Great, you're right about that. Does that advance the actual conversation at all? Enjoy your +1 internet technical point.
    No, This entire conversation started with someone replying to OP's complaint that there was no talk about SOLO play - how do i know that? They specificlally mentioned SOLO PLAY - not instanced content. Then a few of you got totally confused and started flapping on about instanced content in a discussion about solo content vs mp content.
    Quote Originally Posted by Relapses View Post
    I like WillE just as much as the next guy
    Quote Originally Posted by rogoth View Post
    i have several gay friends at work, and i know at least 6 other gay people

  4. #664
    Quote Originally Posted by Yagsdom View Post
    Solo players just means they aren’t premading. Solo players can do multiplayer content and still be a solo player.
    This is the greatest quote of the thread - you heard it here first - solo players playing group content with other players are still..............solo players.....
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    I like WillE just as much as the next guy
    Quote Originally Posted by rogoth View Post
    i have several gay friends at work, and i know at least 6 other gay people

  5. #665
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    If I may:

    Solo content can be instanced (see scenario technology used in leveling) or not. So can group content. World bosses are group content. They are not instanced. Raids and dungeons are, for the most part, instanced and originally designed for groups. So it's either and both.

    Can we leave this now because there is a lot of sealioning going on and the "debate" is more about scoring points that saying anything at all that illuminates what the thread is about?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    This is the greatest quote of the thread - you heard it here first - solo players playing group content with other players are still..............solo players.....
    Indeed. Soloing old raids, originally designed for multiplayer play, for pets and achievements is a thing that can be done by one's self or with a friend or two in instanced content. You know this. Either or both. The quote you so triumphantly countered says nothing about playing in groups.
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  6. #666
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    Indeed. Soloing old raids for pets and achievements is a thing that can be done solo in instanced content. You know this.
    I CLEARLY said WITH OTHER PLAYERS. You know this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Relapses View Post
    I like WillE just as much as the next guy
    Quote Originally Posted by rogoth View Post
    i have several gay friends at work, and i know at least 6 other gay people

  7. #667
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    Wrong - THIS is what you responded to and started flapping on about instanced content:



    SOLO play - no mention at all of instanced content. You are trying so, so hard but you are wrong here. You are constantly relying on strawman arguments - the person you replied to didnt say "mate mmos are all about instanced content" - they mentioned SOLO PLAY.
    Yeah? Well, you know, that's just like uh, your opinion, man.

  8. #668
    Quote Originally Posted by VMSmith View Post
    You're ignoring what people are actually talking about in order to score some technical point that the second "M" in MMORPG stands for "Multiplayer", rather than "not instanced". You are ignoring the context and content of what people are talking about solely so you can point and say "nu uh! M is for Multiplayer!".

    Great, you're right about that. Does that advance the actual conversation at all? Enjoy your +1 internet technical point.
    Please point out where OP mentioned instance. Replying with a snarky comment because your wrong is not alright. People might be trying to derail the thread but thats no excuse to attack other users because they are right. There's no need for it.
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    why so mad bro

  9. #669
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    I CLEARLY said WITH OTHER PLAYERS. You know this.
    Yeah but Yagsdom did not say with other players, so you're literally beating the straw man.

    "Look how ridiculous this guy's statement is when I clearly change it to make it sound ridiculous!"
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  10. #670
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    Wrong AGAIN - an interesting decision by you to intentionally edit out THIS part of the OP:



    The person then responded and specifically mentioned SOLO play, and said NOTHING about instanced content. You guys are desperately trying to twist this conversation to be about instanced content, when none of the people you are responding to are talking about that at all.

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    No, This entire conversation started with someone replying to OP's complaint that there was no talk about SOLO play - how do i know that? They specificlally mentioned SOLO PLAY - not instanced content. Then a few of you got totally confused and started flapping on about instanced content in a discussion about solo content vs mp content.
    Do you think that Fortnite is not a multiplayer game because the main way to play it is solo?

  11. #671
    Quote Originally Posted by mst3kfan View Post
    The moment you quote anything from Asmongold is the moment you lose any and all credibility. That... person, is a complete and utter waist of space. It and others like him are half the reason behind the toxic culture that has been fermenting within the WoW player base for years. They have driven away more players than any supposed mistakes Blizzard has made.
    After hearing this said about Asmongold by enough people, I eventually got curious and decided to watch a few of his videos. His videos, not dumb clips taken out of context. Personally, I have yet to see any of this "source of toxicity" people claim. Better yet, I've seen him ban people from his chat for being clearly offensive and dumb. Most of his take's have been pretty sensible from what i've seen/

  12. #672
    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Yeah but Yagsdom did not say with other players, so you're literally beating the straw man.

    "Look how ridiculous this guy's statement is when I clearly change it to make it sound ridiculous!"
    Actually, they simply said "without premading", meaning pugging/queuing with randoms.
    Quote Originally Posted by Relapses View Post
    I like WillE just as much as the next guy
    Quote Originally Posted by rogoth View Post
    i have several gay friends at work, and i know at least 6 other gay people

  13. #673
    Quote Originally Posted by Nynax View Post
    After hearing this said about Asmongold by enough people, I eventually got curious and decided to watch a few of his videos. His videos, not dumb clips taken out of context. Personally, I have yet to see any of this "source of toxicity" people claim. Better yet, I've seen him ban people from his chat for being clearly offensive and dumb. Most of his take's have been pretty sensible from what i've seen/
    It stems from his persona from his early streaming days where he would be a cunt for content. These days, some of his takes are just blunt and people don't like it. Another thing that people don't like to admit is that WoW's community, just like almost every other games, toxicity is promoted more than helpful shit. Better to point out toxicity than to actually do something to better.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    way to response after first word before waiting for me to actualy finish...

  14. #674
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    I CLEARLY said WITH OTHER PLAYERS. You know this.
    You need to calm down man

  15. #675
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    Actually, they simply said "without premading", meaning pugging/queuing with randoms.
    That’s still you strawmaning

  16. #676
    The best games are the ones where Devs make the game they want to make and cater to nobody. When you start catering to your playerbase your game becomes a confused mess a mechanics trying to make everyone happy.

    Imagine what the Souls Series would be if they catered to what the 90% cried for. Instead they stuck to their guns, made the games they wanted to make and look at it now, a huge commercial success.

  17. #677
    Quote Originally Posted by Fitsu View Post
    The best games are the ones where Devs make the game they want to make and cater to nobody.
    The technical term for games like that is "failures".
    "There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
    "The greatest use of a life is to spend it on something that will outlast it." -- William James
    "The Oculus, but it's the whole expansion!" -- Brianna Royce, Massively OP, on Dragon Riding

  18. #678
    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    The technical term for games like that is "failures".
    Yes, look at PoE, WoW back in it's prime, God of War, Diablo back in it's prime, Soulsborne series etc. etc. All such failures. Yet look what happened to WoW when they started trying to satisfy everyone, look what happened to Diablo when they started trying to satisfy everyone.

    The best games have all been ones where the devs made the game they wanted to make, not the one that tried to satisfy everyone.

  19. #679
    Is there 5% of any particular playerbase?

    WoW has such a fractured playerbase I doubt there is 5% in any group.

  20. #680
    Quote Originally Posted by Fitsu View Post
    Yes, look at PoE, WoW back in it's prime, God of War, Diablo back in it's prime, Soulsborne series etc. etc. All such failures. Yet look what happened to WoW when they started trying to satisfy everyone, look what happened to Diablo when they started trying to satisfy everyone.

    The best games have all been ones where the devs made the game they wanted to make, not the one that tried to satisfy everyone.
    Ah, survivor bias.
    "There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
    "The greatest use of a life is to spend it on something that will outlast it." -- William James
    "The Oculus, but it's the whole expansion!" -- Brianna Royce, Massively OP, on Dragon Riding

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