How I Would Fix Drakthyr

[Royru]

That is not rly what happened, especially with races.

No one is "freaking out", people are giving suggestions so things don't stay shit, like people said, blizzard don't deserve the benefit of the doubt anymore.

White one has narrower waist than the green one. The green one's shoulders portrude and his biceps are also bigger.

Here I will show you both exactly what I'm talking about, check out the 'difference' in size here



Check out how much bigger the shoulders are in picture 1, check out how much bigger the face looks, check out how much bigger and taller the neck looks, doesn't that seem to be a similar difference to the picture you posted?

Well it's the exact same dragon just in different cycles of breathing.

I'm not suggesting that they are adding a way bigger option I'm just saying there is no evidence that we have even seen the bulkier option yet

[Auburst]

Again with the waist, if you watch the video they are in two very different cycles of breathing, in the video it’s clear the green one was full inhale and the white one started it’s image in full exhale and the clip cut before it inhaled, given both of these shots are literally shot in under a second it’s a little weird to dissect it this way.

Look at your own waist and take a giant inhale then take a giant exhale and look at the difference. If I were to take pictures of both you would look like an entirely different body type.

All im saying is these pictures are hardly even remotely proof of anything, waiting until alpha where we can actually see a difference seems logical to me.

Also it legit doesn’t seem like the biceps are bigger to me I don’t know what you’re looking at

I have seen the video. Those are two different bodies. Breathing doesn't work like that.

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Here I will show you both exactly what I'm talking about, check out the 'difference' in size here



Check out how much bigger the shoulders are in picture 1, check out how much bigger the face looks, check out how much bigger and taller the neck looks, doesn't that seem to be a similar difference to the picture you posted?

Well it's the exact same dragon just in different cycles of breathing.

I'm not suggesting that they are adding a way bigger option I'm just saying there is no evidence that we have even seen the bulkier option yet

I don't see full shoulders there.

[Royru]

I have seen the video. Those are two different bodies. Breathing doesn't work like that.

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I don't see full shoulders there.

Let’s be completely clear here, you don’t see a difference in size in shoulders or anything else in this picture, but you see one in the one you posted?

[Auburst]

Let’s be completely clear here, you don’t see a difference in size in shoulders or anything else in this picture, but you see one in the one you posted?

Yes. Purple dragon image is cut. His whole shoulders aren't visible. What is visible is literal cut under ribs where waist become thinner on white dragon:



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Breathing animations and idle animations in general are more pronounced in games / animations for stylistic reasons.
Saying "breathing doesn't work like that" isn't saying much.

It doesn't work like that in life and in WoW. Both white and green lizards are inhaling and start of this animation shows difference in body shapes.

[Royru]

Yes. Purple dragon image is cut. His whole shoulder's aren't visible. What is visible is literal cut under ribs where waist become thinner on white dragon:



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It doesn't work like that in life and in WoW. Both white and green lizards are inhaling and start of this animation shows difference in body shapes.

I just want to be super clear here,

You see no difference in size in shoulders here

[Auburst]

I just want to be super clear here,

You see no difference in size in shoulders here

These two images are framed at different moments in breathing cycle and shoulders aren't fullv visible, unlike green and white dragons where they both start inhaling.

[Ealyssa]

All of those "nah, it is fine and no improvements are needed"

Except they aren't anything wrong with the current Drakthyr. There is nothing to "fix" there.
You may not like it, sure. But calling what is a model change "fix" or "improvement" is just dumb, period.

Anyone can propose changes to the game. But pretending that your personal preferences are some sort of fixes to what already exist is pathetic.

[Royru]

These two images are framed at different moments in breathing cycle and shoulders aren't fullv visible, unlike green and white dragons where they both start inhaling.

No those images were not where they both started inhaling. That is objectively incorrect

[Gigantique]

That really is the best solution. If you don't like it, don't play it.

Normally agreed, but here you run the risk of loving the mechanics of Evoker yet despising the appearance. Which is an issue they should absolutely throw customisation options at to alleviate. It's not like say Worgens in cataclysm who had imo the dumbest goofyest running animation ever which ruined them, but I could play a Hunter without having to be one.

[Auburst]

No those images were not where they both started inhaling. That is objectively incorrect

Yes, they were. Watch the video again. Both dragons start to inhale and they have slightly different body shapes.

[Polybius]

Except they aren't anything wrong with the current Drakthyr. There is nothing to "fix" there.
You may not like it, sure. But calling what is a model change "fix" or "improvement" is just dumb, period.

Anyone can propose changes to the game. But pretending that your personal preferences are some sort of fixes to what already exist is pathetic.

Some people are into twinks and that's fine, but these are dragonkin with wrong uncanny morphology, ergo they don't fit humanoid body shapes if that's what they're going for. The proportions of the feet and head go contrary to what dragons are, you mean to tell us they can deep breath with those flat chests?

[Auburst]

Except they aren't anything wrong with the current Drakthyr. There is nothing to "fix" there.
You may not like it, sure. But calling what is a model change "fix" or "improvement" is just dumb, period.

Anyone can propose changes to the game. But pretending that your personal preferences are some sort of fixes to what already exist is pathetic.

You are right. It's beyond wrong. It's fuckshit.

[Royru]

Yes, they were. Watch the video again. Both dragons start to inhale and they have slightly different body shapes.

I think this conversation is done here. It’s clear you aren’t willing to give me the same amount of honesty I’ve been given you. Sorry I don’t have discussions with people like that.

[Gigantique]

Its just haters looking for a reason to bitch and moan and shit on the WoW devs for the sake of it.

Now sure the WoW community is quick to anger, but there is (imo) two points that make wanting to be early out with the feedback valid:

First being that the interview with a dev saying they could be slightly bulkier. I only read the MMO-C summary but she said players could make "slight changes to make the chest slightly broader" or some stuff, saying "slight" twice in that sentence made me at least suspicious that saying that was more a knee-jerk reaction to backlash and the current reality is nonexistant or very lackluster.

And the fact they haven't shown this bulkier option. If I worked in PR I would think doing a quick showcase/comparison to alleviate the concern/raging would be a good idea if they had anything actually developed.

Personally I dislike the scrawny look of the Dracthyr, but I'm confident that I can use oversized shoulder mogs to hide it. I shouldn't HAVE to think like that, but at least for me having a bulky option would just be a bonus, not a necessity.

[Teriz]

That is not the best solution, the ebst solution is to fix it, so everyone can enjoy it

People keep saying "don't play", then people rly, stop playing and its why the game is in such lame state with so few people playing that they have to make cross faction.

Except it being "broke" is nothing more than your opinion. Further it isn't "broken" simply because you don't like the way it looks.

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Normally agreed, but here you run the risk of loving the mechanics of Evoker yet despising the appearance. Which is an issue they should absolutely throw customisation options at to alleviate. It's not like say Worgens in cataclysm who had imo the dumbest goofyest running animation ever which ruined them, but I could play a Hunter without having to be one.

Well again, not everyone is going to love everything. It's silly to believe that we'll reach a place where everyone loves how something looks.

[Auburst]

I think this conversation is done here. It’s clear you aren’t willing to give me the same amount of honesty I’ve been given you. Sorry I don’t have discussions with people like that.

Yeah, it's done. I can tell shapes apart.

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Some people are into twinks and that's fine, but these are dragonkin with wrong uncanny morphology, ergo they don't fit humanoid body shapes if that's what they're going for. The proportions of the feet and head go contrary to what dragons are, you mean to tell us they can deep breath with those flat chests?

This right here. It's some furry extravaganza instead of dragon race.

[Royru]

Yeah, it's done. I can tell shapes apart.

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This right here. It's some furry extravaganza instead of dragon race.

I think you proved to everyone here your capabilities

[Auburst]

I think you proved to everyone here your capabilities

I know but thank you nonetheless. Unfortunately I can't return the compliment.

[Royru]

I know but thank you nonetheless. Unfortunately I can't return the compliment.

Np. Your capabilities are right up there with your sarcasm detection capabilities as well . Very observant person you are

[Gigantique]

Well again, not everyone is going to love everything. It's silly to believe that we'll reach a place where everyone loves how something looks.

While true, since they've made playing Dracthyr a requirement to be Evoker they're better off listening to what the majority negative feedback on their appearance is and add the option imo. So everyone happy? No of course not, but when the feedback seems to be centered around their physique it would be silly NOT to make the option available since the race is mandatory to play the class.