I like these ideas and I think the Dracthyr need to be changed. Blizzard should do this!
I think the Dracthyr need to be changed, but I don't agree with the suggestions presented here.
I like the Dracthyr as they currently are and I don't think changes are needed.
This might be asking for too much but....
How neat would it be if dracthyr mogs would be separated by form.
Since drac form will only show shoulders, belt and tabard, perhaps those pieces don't look without the rest of the mog the visage form has.
So if the drac mog was separated we could make a mog for just those 3 slots and weapon, while the visage form has its own mog.
Well blizz said it themselves in an interview.
I can't imagine there wouldn't be an drac who would become interested in mortal classes after engaging in horde and alliance affairs for years to come.
It only make sense.
Maybe lore wise some drac are evoker runts and pursue the ways of the sword.
I mean they even stated they don't want your race to limit what you play as and used that as justification for all races for mage rogue and priests, though some combos will be harder than others.
They can't say that and have dracthyr be one class races forever....
Last edited by Varx; 2022-05-16 at 09:45 PM.
They kinda can open up more options for the vanilla, and/or older races, to get more class options while keeping the newer ones restricted.
There's no point in them saying that all races will get access to warrior, rogue, mage and priest while not giving it to the Dracthyr unless they were referring to all as in all the older races.
At least for now that seems to be the case. As I can imagine any corporation will cave in to player feedback if it's large enough.
Last edited by Ghanir; 2022-05-16 at 10:03 PM.
That’s just Blizzard blowing smoke up our butts. There’s some pretty significant technical reasons why Dracthyr could never be other classes. Namely their inability to wear armor or equip weapons in dragon form.
Also it makes zero sense lorewise. The Dracthyr don’t choose to be Evokers, they ARE Evokers. It’s not a job they choose. If they pick up a sword and wear plate armor, they still have the ability to fly around and use magical breath abilities. Wrathion training to be a Rogue wouldn’t change the fact that Wrathion is still a fire-breathing dragon.
Last edited by Teriz; 2022-05-16 at 10:10 PM.
If any mortal warfare tactics seem inferior to the abilities the Dracthyr possesses then I don't see any particular reason for why they would choose to degrade themselves to such. If they were locked in their mortal vestiges, sure. But since they can transform and breathe fire then not particularly, no.
I mean if it's the word of god you can't just claim their straight up lying.
Also why would they give them racial abilities if you think evokers are just one huge OP assortment of racial.
And again some could be runts, you never know. Or maybe they choose to forgo their evoker abilities to learn the ways of the arcane, shamanism, druidism, etc.
And they're lack of armor doesn't mean anything.
Blizz said they're thinking of allowing combat in visage form and no armor in dragon form doesn't mean anything, I mean look at druids.
And who says they can't equip weapons? Or course they can. Blizz even said evoker weapons are everything shaman can use plus swords.
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You make it seem like evoker are gods. There is no proof that an evoker is any more powerful than a seasoned warlock, or mage.
Or again, maybe a drac could be a evoker runt and wants to pursue an alt path.
Or maybe melee combat fascinates them, who knows. They're not a hive mind.
Except they never said they’re definitely doing it, they said they’re “looking into it”, which means in the process of “looking into it”, they will easily reach a decision not to do it.
To make them feel like an actual race.Also why would they give them racial abilities if you think evokers are just one huge OP assortment of racial.
Which makes no sense, because Evoker is what they are. You might as well say a human cuts off their arms and legs to learn how to be a jellyfish.And again some could be runts, you never know. Or maybe they choose to forgo their evoker abilities to learn the ways of the arcane, shamanism, druidism, etc.
Yeah, the difference is that the Bear, Cat, and Moonkin form are the class abilities, not the race. It’s why Worgen wear armor and gear in wolf form. You need armor and weapons for all classes except Druids wear your weapons and armor are replaced by the animal form.And they're lack of armor doesn't mean anything.
Blizz said they're thinking of allowing combat in visage form and no armor in dragon form doesn't mean anything, I mean look at druids.
They can equip weapons, but you can’t see the weapons in dragon form. Just like Wrathion doesn’t have a gigantic sword hanging from his side when he turns into a dragon.And who says they can't equip weapons? Or course they can. Blizz even said evoker weapons are everything shaman can use plus swords.
I mean when they're trying to make races not be as limited to class choices as possible I doubt they wouldn't include dracthyrs in that. Either you do or you don't.
Dracthyr are dracthyr. Evokers are just them channeling their natural chromatic abilities further. Like monks use their abilities to further use their natural limbs lol.
Think of it like a lightforge. They're beings of light, yet not all of them are paladins or priests. Same concept can be applied to dracthyrs.
The point is you don't need visible armor to function in combat.
Wrathion isn't a dracthyr and he isn't a bipedal creature, unlike dracs, who have more use of arms and weapons than a typical dragon would. I promise you drac will have melee weapon animations.
As for sheathing animations for two handers. Maybe they could use draconic magic to materialize them from thin air. Like a keyblade lmao.
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They're expanding the races to more classes in 10.0. The Dracthyr is entering during that expansion, and they're not a part of it. Blizzard is explicitly advertising the fact that the Dracthyr Evoker is WoW's first race/class combination. They're a feature, and it's doubtful that Blizzard would ever unravel that feature.
Incorrect. Ion said specifically that Dracthyr are Evokers and Evokers are Dracthyr in the deep dive video.Dracthyr are dracthyr. Evokers are just them channeling their natural chromatic abilities further. Like monks use their abilities to further use their natural limbs lol.
Dracthyr are dragons in playable form, so all the rules that apply to dragons also apply to the Dracthyr. Further, Ion made it clear that Dracthyr are designed not to be melee fighters, which is why they have the bodies that they have. You're not going to be seeing visible weapons on them outside of Visage form.The point is you don't need visible armor to function in combat.
Wrathion isn't a dracthyr and he isn't a bipedal creature, unlike dracs, who have more use of arms and weapons than a typical dragon would. I promise you drac will have melee weapon animations.
Like I said, Blizzard is blowing smoke up your butt. Making Dracthyr available to other classes goes against their clear design goals.
I don't expect dracthyr to get additional classes at launch but in future expansions, earliest would be the final 10.x patch.
At that point the dracthyr would be situated enough to want to learn new ways of combat.
I wouldn't call it a feature. It's just a highly specialized class for a new race. Yeah it makes sense that lore wise dracthyr are all evokers. But it also makes sense for some dracthyr to want to learn how to be a war going forward after fighting alongside orcs and humans.
Blizz is no stranger to saying no. If they don't want them to be other classes then they'd say so. And even if they do enough fan feedback would change their mind. I mean look at cross factions and (h)velves.
Well yeah when you can only be one class and that one class can be only played by you then yeah that logic applies, for the moment.
But as long as a lightforge draenie can be a warrior over a paladin or priest then it make sense for a drac to be a war over an evoker.
What? No man, dracthyr are not your average dragon so no not all rules apply. Wrathion can't hold a weapon same way a drac can because he's not bipedal.
And its evokers are not meant to be melee fighters, not dracthyr. You wanna go by all rules apply then you should know just how well adapted dragons are to melee combat.
If gnomes and walking corpses can be wars then a drac would have zero problems.
Last edited by Varx; 2022-05-16 at 11:16 PM.
Can't help but think how Drakthyr are going to be a complete eyesore. Why is there a dragonoid creature with huge wings walking around with elves and gnomes and shit. Especially when they can't tank. If they could tank, I'd retract my statement since that'd make sense and be pretty badass. As it stands though, they're going to look so out of place imo. Doesn't seem right.
No, the Dracthyr Evoker being one in the same is literally a feature;
https://dragonflight.blizzard.com/en-us/Dominate the Dragon Isles as a newly awakened Dracthyr Evoker, World of Warcraft’s first-ever playable race-and-class combo.
It's not a very safe assumption to make regarding opening up other classes to Dracthyr. It might take some work, especially with spellcasting animations, so I'd imagine that the first classes they'd open them up to would be spellcasters -- Mages, Priests, and Warlocks, since they lend themselves towards the combat style of the Dracthyr better. Everyone else would come later, since they'd have to come up with new rigging for melee/tanking (and hunters, in particular given bows/guns).
But to say that it will never happen is asking to get mocked heavily and openly since you don't work for Blizzard, nor can you see into the future.
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I'm betting dracthyr will ship with full animations.
Worgen and gobs have had monk animations since mop launch and they yet have the class as an option.
Only thing we need is lore justification.
I think after an expansion of mingling with mortal races and fighting alongside them it'll be enough to at least get the basics opened up to them.
By that I mean war, hunt, mage, rogue, priest.
Others might need a bit more work like DH DK.
Paladin is a given imo since Dragons hold tyr in reverence and im totally not biased.
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I see that as, we're too lazy to ship dracthyr with more class options and evokers with more race options so here's how it sounds better and not like a copout.
I mean mop shipped out with all races having access to monk. Chronologically speaking, did all those races have enough time to train as a monk for launch? If yes, then why can't dracthyr already be learning how to fight as a warrior after their inclusion into the H/A?
But w/e, I'm willing to wait for my drac pally. Enough time to come up with a name.