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  1. #1001
    The Unstoppable Force Teriz's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumble View Post
    Bear Form + Sandstone Drake

    You don't need to be a giant dragon, Chromie isn't. In game her dragon form is about as big as the Sandstone Drake. That + Bear form showing they will do shapeshifts on all fours means they totally COULD do a dragon form right, they just chose not to.

    Can't /= won't
    I’ve been in revolving arguments on this very forum where people said Sand Drake was too big, and Guardian wasn’t big enough. Clearly Blizzard agreed with those arguments.


    That isn't the deal breaker for me, I would just argue alot more about it if they had a tank spec, which IS the deal breaker for me. Limited specs feel like lack of effort.
    And you are welcome to that opinion. IMO I feel that the game has enough tanks, so this class not getting a tank (given its mobility options) makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    I’ve been in revolving arguments on this very forum where people said Sand Drake was too big, and Guardian wasn’t big enough. Clearly Blizzard agreed with those arguments.




    And you are welcome to that opinion. IMO I feel that the game has enough tanks, so this class not getting a tank (given its mobility options) makes sense.
    Them choosing to do a lazy reskin of the Worgen model (or incubus, I forget which, but it isn't new) doesn't mean that it had anything to do with size constraint, especially since this new race looks to be rather tall. Height is normally more of a problem that horizontal size in this game.

    I'd say they chose to do what they did because it was lazy and unimaginative rather than because they actually had trouble making a better model work. But since we don't have any proof either way /shrug


    The game has enough of EVERYTHING. That feels like the argument of "we can't have more specs because it would be too hard to balance", which always leaves reasonable people scratching their heads going "Blizzard tries to balance? Tell that to BM hunters".


    Dracthyr should have been given the option of a standing or all fours model (ala hunched Orcs or straight backed), a tank spec, a true flight form that isn't just gliding.

    All other classes should have been given another spec (sans Druids, just make ours better)

    All talent trees should be way more customizable so you can craft a spec that really feels different from "just another Bear".

    Blizzard is falling apart and their games are losing people left and right. They should have gone big, and instead, they went really, really small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumble View Post
    Them choosing to do a lazy reskin of the Worgen model (or incubus, I forget which, but it isn't new) doesn't mean that it had anything to do with size constraint, especially since this new race looks to be rather tall. Height is normally more of a problem that horizontal size in this game.
    They literally said that it had to do with size constraints in the developer deep dive.

    The rest is your opinion. I have no interest or desire to sway it one way or another.

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    If they gave us quadrupedal drakes instead of upright dracthyr, would you still not be complaining about how lanky, un-dragonlike, and frail they look? Drakes are some pretty spindly dudes. I'm pretty sure we'd have this same thread, except it'd be a 'roided up drake in the OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumble View Post
    The absolutely hilarious point to be made, is that the two people arguing that they cannot see it, are the same people with pictures of Dragon Aspects as their profile pictures. It shows that they are blatantly aware of what people (including them) WANTED to play.

    Pretending they can't see how what we're getting doesn't come close to what was wanted is amberheard levels of dishonesty.


    And to make it very clear, Dracthyr are MORE SIMILAR to Argonians than they are SIMILAR to WoW Dragons. They look CLOSER to lizard men from an Elder Scrolls game than they look like the DRAGONS from World of Warcraft.


    But please proceed to cover your eyes and say "No this is fine, I'm ok with this."
    You understand I have played Elder scrolls and I turned my nose up at Argonians, where as I am excited to play a Dracthyr... They are not at all alike and if anything at least it's different the haters are starting to move on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mutineer View Post
    If they gave us quadrupedal drakes instead of upright dracthyr, would you still not be complaining about how lanky, un-dragonlike, and frail they look? Drakes are some pretty spindly dudes. I'm pretty sure we'd have this same thread, except it'd be a 'roided up drake in the OP.
    You speak many truths, whatever Blizz would have done people would have hated on it.

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    I like the Drac'thyr. But wings aside, they share more in common - aesthetically - with any given generic RPG lizard race (Argonians included) than they do actual dragons. That is fine. To deny this just because some people wield it as a critique instead of an observation is disingenuous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amberheard View Post
    You understand I have played Elder scrolls and I turned my nose up at Argonians, where as I am excited to play a Dracthyr... They are not at all alike and if anything at least it's different the haters are starting to move on.
    Sure thing amber

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    They literally said that it had to do with size constraints in the developer deep dive.

    The rest is your opinion. I have no interest or desire to sway it one way or another.
    They say alot of things after everyone saw the crap they made and rejected it.

    You not trying to sway opinion? You not caring if people don't like the lizardmen? LOL ok.

  8. #1008
    Quote Originally Posted by Mutineer View Post
    If they gave us quadrupedal drakes instead of upright dracthyr, would you still not be complaining about how lanky, un-dragonlike, and frail they look? Drakes are some pretty spindly dudes. I'm pretty sure we'd have this same thread, except it'd be a 'roided up drake in the OP.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiriastrasza View Post
    You understand I have played Elder scrolls and I turned my nose up at Argonians, where as I am excited to play a Dracthyr... They are not at all alike and if anything at least it's different the haters are starting to move on.



    You speak many truths, whatever Blizz would have done people would have hated on it.
    I'm curious as to where you people live that all but one image in the OP actually looks like they take steroids (there is only 1 image in the OP that actually looks like they're 'roided up)?

  9. #1009
    I wanted them to look like:



    Which I wouldn't personally called 'roided up, but I suppose to each their own.

  10. #1010
    Quote Originally Posted by Calfredd View Post
    I'm curious as to where you people live that all but one image in the OP actually looks like they take steroids (there is only 1 image in the OP that actually looks like they're 'roided up)?
    I'm mostly addressing the crowd that hates everything about the current design and would never be satisfied by any changes to its proportions whatsoever; ercarp's edit isn't 'roided up at all, you're right. Blizzard just has a tendency to drastically over-correct more often than not, so please forgive me for being skeptical they'd address this sort of feedback with any subtlety.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gumble View Post
    I wanted them to look like:



    Which I wouldn't personally called 'roided up, but I suppose to each their own.
    I mean, I look at that picture and I see lanky arms, a noodle neck and a pretty lizard-y head. I do wish the dracthyr had those iconic outward teeth lining their jaws like the other dragonkin have, but that feels like a small thing in the grand scheme to me. Check out that drake in the model viewer and you'll see how small their waists are too, not to mention the skinny tails. They're nowhere near the bulk of a fully-grown dragon, which is what I'm seeing the loudest people requesting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutineer View Post
    I mean, I look at that picture and I see lanky arms, a noodle neck and a pretty lizard-y head. I do wish the dracthyr had those iconic outward teeth lining their jaws like the other dragonkin have, but that feels like a small thing in the grand scheme to me. Check out that drake in the model viewer and you'll see how small their waists are too, not to mention the skinny tails. They're nowhere near the bulk of a fully-grown dragon, which is what I'm seeing the loudest people requesting?
    Pretty much.

    Dracthyr are essentially WoW drakes standing on their hind legs.

  12. #1012
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Pretty much.

    Dracthyr are essentially WoW drakes standing on their hind legs.
    Ok amber

    What everyone else is thinking





  13. #1013
    In 10.1 Dracthyr are going to be Tinkers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumble View Post
    Ok amber

    What everyone else is thinking




    Throwback to when images of the race were leaked and people thought it was fake/from a furry private server.
    I don’t remember seeing a single post being like “wow so cool new race”

  15. #1015
    real dragon vs furry suit

  16. #1016
    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    Throwback to when images of the race were leaked and people thought it was fake/from a furry private server.
    I don’t remember seeing a single post being like “wow so cool new race”
    And that first picture comparing what you ordered and what you got...... the two "dragons" are very "similar" for Teriz.

    They both have an upright posture and basically the same structure. One just looks like a DRAGON..... and the other one is going to be a playable race in WoW next year.

    They could have made these Dracthyr so much better (and here's hoping they will work on them ALA Sonic style) and get them in a fashion where you can highly customize what you want, but what they've shown us so far is very, very poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumble View Post
    Ok amber

    What everyone else is thinking

    LoL! Can you post any picture from the Warcraft franchise where a dragon is super muscular and has bulging pectoral muscles? If you thought that was what you were getting, you were delusional.

    Also that image of the dracthyr is heavily distorted.

  18. #1018
    Quote Originally Posted by Mutineer View Post
    I'm mostly addressing the crowd that hates everything about the current design and would never be satisfied by any changes to its proportions whatsoever; ercarp's edit isn't 'roided up at all, you're right. Blizzard just has a tendency to drastically over-correct more often than not, so please forgive me for being skeptical they'd address this sort of feedback with any subtlety.



    I mean, I look at that picture and I see lanky arms, a noodle neck and a pretty lizard-y head. I do wish the dracthyr had those iconic outward teeth lining their jaws like the other dragonkin have, but that feels like a small thing in the grand scheme to me. Check out that drake in the model viewer and you'll see how small their waists are too, not to mention the skinny tails. They're nowhere near the bulk of a fully-grown dragon, which is what I'm seeing the loudest people requesting?
    You may be onto something. When you look at them, Drakthyr are missing the bestial and rough aspects of a dragon. Their model doesn't look bad, but fangs are nowhere to be seen, their colors and expressions are weirdly soft. Everything about them looks kind of neat and tidy for a dragon. It's the details, same thing that happened with Tauren after model update (going from fierce and stoic expression to a softer and kind of a derpy looking one).

  19. #1019
    Quote Originally Posted by Gumble View Post
    Ok amber

    What everyone else is thinking




    You've distorted the second image, this is a pathetic attempt at trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theangryone View Post
    In 10.1 Dracthyr are going to be Tinkers
    In the Undermine patch with the robot dragons, I can see it.
    Secret third spec confirmed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okacz View Post
    You may be onto something. When you look at them, Drakthyr are missing the bestial and rough aspects of a dragon. Their model doesn't look bad, but fangs are nowhere to be seen, their colors and expressions are weirdly soft. Everything about them looks kind of neat and tidy for a dragon. It's the details, same thing that happened with Tauren after model update (going from fierce and stoic expression to a softer and kind of a derpy looking one).
    To be fair they'd probably look even weirder being all bestial while still being nothing but scales and bone.

    But it is weird how every draconic humanoid in lore so far has at least somewhat of a decent build... Except the ones created to be the 'perfect soldiers'.
    Last edited by Nightshade711; 2022-06-07 at 07:59 PM.

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