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    Devs admit Dungeonfinder destroys the social fabric of the game

    They outright admitted it as part of not having dungeonfinder in Wrath Classic, but they're still gonna leave it in the current game. Why? If it destroys the social fabric of the game it does so in all versions of the game. So what kind of a game do you want to have? An antisocial one?

    They are aware of how bad dungeonfinder is and still refuse to remove it.

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    Except it doesn't, people "destroy the social fabric of the game" even without it now in TBC there's no social fabric, the people you join in dungeons may as well be randos as no one says anything beyond a "hi".

    Gameplay matters more and late wrath is going to end up like it is now, impossible most days to find groups for leveling and non-popular heroic content.

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    As Onikaroshi said, the players destroyed the social fabric of the game. All I see on TBCC is spam about boosting and carrying people through raids for gold. How the hell is that any better than dungeon finder?

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    I think it’s more like they admitted that their target audience for Classic LK is kind of pissy.

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    Ehh current Dev's are kinda morons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    Except it doesn't.
    That's what Ion said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    Gameplay matters more.
    Having dungeonfinder determines your gameplay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cone of cold View Post
    They outright admitted it as part of not having dungeonfinder in Wrath Classic, but they're still gonna leave it in the current game. Why? If it destroys the social fabric of the game it does so in all versions of the game. So what kind of a game do you want to have? An antisocial one?

    They are aware of how bad dungeonfinder is and still refuse to remove it.
    Because there are some people who just want to do the quick in and out while leveling but as for mythic and M+ you still have to do the looking up yourself instead of having a random system put a group together for you.

    That’s what they were getting at when the devs mentioned that you can still do that social aspect in retail as well (M+)

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    Quote Originally Posted by un_known View Post
    Because there are some people who just want to do the quick in and out while leveling but as for mythic and M+ you still have to do the looking up yourself instead of having a random system put a group together for you.

    That’s what they were getting at when the devs mentioned that you can still do that social aspect in retail as well (M+)
    If they do mythic+ they don't need dungeonfinder.

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    They say whatever they think is popular. Problem is, no dungeon finder is not popular anymore nowadays.

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    Devs thinking automated group finder systems in itself causes people to be dicks doesn't mean they're actually correct about that.

    FF14 has a pretty much identical LFD system to what was in Wrath, but with a much more well behaved community regardless at large in public. The difference is in enforcement with GMs, and not in how people group up with each others.

    Banning shitters keeps them on their toes out of fear of the hammer coming down on them, but that requires a much more active attitude towards user support than Blizzard have had in recent years.

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    Retail players just want to collect pets, mounts and gear. If you -still- play retail, you certainly don't care about playing in an online community.

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    Removing it would only harm the game more than it would help. There is a huge difference between not introducing specific convienence and removing that convienience. Most people playing video game in modern days just don' wanna socialize in a video game because there are other platforms to do so nowadays. If people wanted to socialize they would do this regardless of existance of dungeon finder. Players that want to socialize jsut go to Discord.

    Times have changed, society have changed, community has changed and what was in the past won't come back no matter how much you try to force it.

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    Ion probably believe, classic players are a race of special snowflakes who only hate QoL changes.

    I think that's pretty insulting for the people who liked WOTLK with the dungeon finder, for the players who liked the previous versions of the game for their other qualities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tealghara View Post
    Ion probably believe, classic players are a race of special snowflakes who only hate QoL changes.

    I think that's pretty insulting for the people who liked WOTLK with the dungeon finder, for the players who liked the previous versions of the game for their other qualities.
    Ion needs to keep his crappy game design philosophy out of the old game design. (if retail designs didn't suck so bad I'd still be subbed, I'd rather none of the current Dev's ideas leak into it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stone Dude View Post
    If they do mythic+ they don't need dungeonfinder.
    that was my point towards the now banned user XD DF is still there for those who still want to use it for quick XP gains while leveling. and the social aspect is there with the mythic and mythic+ dungeons

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    Quote Originally Posted by un_known View Post
    that was my point towards the now banned user XD DF is still there for those who still want to use it for quick XP gains while leveling. and the social aspect is there with the mythic and mythic+ dungeons
    Stone Dude is the banned OP. Made a new account

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    They say whatever they think is popular. Problem is, no dungeon finder is not popular anymore nowadays.
    So why leave it in the game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stone Dude View Post
    So why leave it in the game?
    Well nowadays, you are unable to do anything relevant through the dungeon finder. Heroics and LFR are useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuroticaine View Post
    Well nowadays, you are unable to do anything relevant through the dungeon finder. Heroics and LFR are useless.
    So remove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stone Dude View Post
    So remove it.
    As someone who really only wants to see the content a few times, No.

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