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  1. #301
    If Dark Rangers would be reduced to a mere allied race, it would be flushing years of character develolment down the drain.

  2. #302
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    If Dark Rangers would be reduced to a mere allied race, it would be flushing years of character develolment down the drain.
    They're not superheroes. Plus it would leave the possibility open for a Dark Ranger class in the future.

  3. #303
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    If Dark Rangers would be reduced to a mere allied race, it would be flushing years of character develolment down the drain.
    Rofl, they've been doing that for years now regardless.

    The moment Blood Elves were added to Horde already flushed years of character development down the drain.

  4. #304
    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Rofl, they've been doing that for years now regardless.

    The moment Blood Elves were added to Horde already flushed years of character development down the drain.
    It didn't invalidate their playability.

  5. #305
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    It didn't invalidate their playability.
    Neither would playable Darkfallen

    We could officially get proper Dark Rangers that aren't just Forsaken or Blood Elves RPing a dead elf.
    Last edited by Triceron; 2022-04-28 at 07:58 PM.

  6. #306
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    Wait so has there been any new datamining about a new race? I just completely dipped after the announcement but returned here today because of the rogue / mage / priest announcement

  7. #307
    Quote Originally Posted by TriHard View Post
    Wait so has there been any new datamining about a new race? I just completely dipped after the announcement but returned here today because of the rogue / mage / priest announcement
    There was some music and some new combat sounds. Nothing definitive, but a bit too much to be a coincidence.

  8. #308
    Good chance the requirements for Darkfallen are going to be

    - Complete the Liadrin Ghostlands questline
    - Complete the Dark Ranger Velonara questline
    - Complete the encrypted Calia questline

    It would be funny if there's also Night Elf Darkfallen for the Alliance but you need a level 60 Blood elf to unlock them, but they've been this sadistic with unlocks before.

    Anyone have any guesses what their racials will be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malorne the White Stag View Post
    There was some music and some new combat sounds. Nothing definitive, but a bit too much to be a coincidence.
    So what are people thinking it might be?

    Tuskarr? Darkfallen? Anything else?
    Are Darkfallen any different than San'layn?

  10. #310
    Quote Originally Posted by TriHard View Post
    So what are people thinking it might be?

    Tuskarr? Darkfallen? Anything else?
    Are Darkfallen any different than San'layn?
    Apparently "Darkfallen" just means "dead elf" now.
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  11. #311
    Quote Originally Posted by TriHard View Post
    So what are people thinking it might be?

    Tuskarr? Darkfallen? Anything else?
    Are Darkfallen any different than San'layn?
    the music is elf music and the voices are dark ranger stuff (I believe), so most like darkfallen.

    San'layn are darkfallen, with darkfallen being a catch all for undead elves.

  12. #312
    Quote Originally Posted by TriHard View Post
    So what are people thinking it might be?

    Tuskarr? Darkfallen? Anything else?
    Are Darkfallen any different than San'layn?
    It's the all-encompassing word to mean all (non-spectral) undead elves. It makes sense. The Blood Princes has unique features but their San'layn minions were physically the same as dark rangers.

    Tuskarr makes more sense to be a late-expansion AR, like Vulpera. We haven't befriended the new plot-relevant Tuskaar Tribe yet.

    Watchers would be cool, but would require a lot of work. The new Gnolls in Dragonblight use Worgen rigs.

  13. #313
    Rewatched the cutscene with Sylvanas and Tyrande in Ardenweald.

    Could be interesting if Horde got dark ranger customization and Alliance got expanded Elune/night warrior customization - like the moon sigils and glowy bits on Tyrande during that part.

  14. #314
    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Neither would playable Darkfallen

    We could officially get proper Dark Rangers that aren't just Forsaken or Blood Elves RPing a dead elf.
    Then, why are dead, red eyed elves a race? It's literally a customization that comes with the class.
    Unless we're talking vampires.

  15. #315
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Then, why are dead, red eyed elves a race? It's literally a customization that comes with the class.
    Unless we're talking vampires.
    Because as far as Blizzard has recognized in the lore so far, Dark Ranger had been used as a title for Darkfallen who are part of the Unseen Path.
    Last edited by Triceron; 2022-04-29 at 07:00 AM.

  16. #316
    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Because as far as Blizzard has recognized in the lore so far, Dark Ranger had been used as a title for Darkfallen who are part of the Unseen Path.
    Huh? What's that have to do with a race?

  17. #317
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Huh? What's that have to do with a race?
    Dark Rangers are primarily represented by Darkfallen.

    I don't think you can have a proper Dark Ranger without them being playable.

    Same if we talk about a Sea Witch class in the game, it's not happening without having Naga playable.

  18. #318
    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Rofl, they've been doing that for years now regardless.

    The moment Blood Elves were added to Horde already flushed years of character development down the drain.
    Thats hardly true, pretty much only kael was ruined in bc, what else? Warcraft 2 is not worth mentioning. Horde was good choice for them.

    Was the highborne song pulled back? Really..?
    I would love for some one to collect all evidence and put it together.

    I am not really that far to say... its pretty much confimed.

  19. #319
    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    Thats hardly true, pretty much only kael was ruined in bc, what else? Warcraft 2 is not worth mentioning. Horde was good choice for them.

    Was the highborne song pulled back? Really..?
    I would love for some one to collect all evidence and put it together.

    I am not really that far to say... its pretty much confimed.
    Horde was not a good choice for them. The literal reason why Blood Elves ended up being playable on Horde was to balance the huge population disparity between Alliance and Horde after Vanilla showed clear data that many people favoured playing pretty races, which the Horde did not have. They added Blood Elves to Horde to balance that out, which is why Blood Elves remain most played race on Horde today.

    Lore reasons had nothing to do with them joining the Horde. By all means Blood Elves were either part of the Illidari alliance with Naga, Draenei and Illidan, or else independent like the High Elves mostly remain today.

  20. #320
    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Horde was not a good choice for them. The literal reason why Blood Elves ended up being playable on Horde was to balance the huge population disparity between Alliance and Horde after Vanilla showed clear data that many people favoured playing pretty races, which the Horde did not have. They added Blood Elves to Horde to balance that out, which is why Blood Elves remain most played race on Horde today.

    Lore reasons had nothing to do with them joining the Horde. By all means Blood Elves were either part of the Illidari alliance with Naga, Draenei and Illidan, or else independent like the High Elves mostly remain today.
    Sylvanas was their ez link pretty much lorewise. On top of that what ever we have to believe of it, with the whole pretty race stuff we were told.

    The rest is true, but its so long ago Its just what it is at this point. That being said, I hella curious if all this * evidence* is really going to give us Darkfallen.

    Darkfallen now being the race of dark rangers and san layn , I hope they give them some vampiric features if possible.

    We have to wait and see, but this part of 9.2.5 intrigues me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Good chance the requirements for Darkfallen are going to be

    - Complete the Liadrin Ghostlands questline
    - Complete the Dark Ranger Velonara questline
    - Complete the encrypted Calia questline

    It would be funny if there's also Night Elf Darkfallen for the Alliance but you need a level 60 Blood elf to unlock them, but they've been this sadistic with unlocks before.

    Anyone have any guesses what their racials will be?
    San'layn flight (draven hearthstone abillity)
    Door of shadows ( weaker form)
    Some leech passive

    Also depends what they make of the banshee part(ditching it or enhancing it)
    Light footed( 5% dpeed)
    Some kind of weak stealth.

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