Tier Sets on Dracthyr Evokers - Is this possible?

[Hitei]

Dracthyr have more effort spend on their model to the point where they can now no longer wear armour is not an argument in their favour, it just makes Blizzard look more stupid for investing time in actively removing an important feature to a significant part of the player base (the ability to play with our barbie transmog).

If you were to hold a survey on the entire WoW player base asking if they want to wear armour on their humanoid dragon or have actual 3d scales and ridges on their leg that they might be able to see if they zoom in close enough but not be able to wear armour I am very confident in what the result would be.

This is a pretty disingenuous, at best, argument to make . No one is removing anything, there is a new race that prioritizes racial customization over transmog. There's another 12 classes and 23 races to pick from if you feel that transmogging the pants or chest slot outweighs that customization or the allure of a new class.

I think if you held that survey you'd be surprised how even the results would turn out. Consider for a moment that one of the most widely requested features for the transmog system was the ability to hide armor pieces. Also consider that out of combat, where transmog is most being paid attention to, you can wear complete transmog. Which again, doubles down on how nothing is being removed, because now your dress up barbie still has all the dress up parts, but in combat turns into a dragon that has a ton of swappable dragon parts.

[DatToffer]

a ton of swappable dragon parts.

Yeah, I think you're getting ahead of yourself.

[Hitei]

Yeah, I think you're getting ahead of yourself.

I'm not? They are readily observable in just the various images, videos and gifs we've seen. The race has a shit ton of customization, even completely ignoring the visage side.

[DatToffer]

I'm not? They are readily observable in just the various images, videos and gifs we've seen. The race has a shit ton of customization, even completely ignoring the visage side.

Okay now I'm curious. What have you seen ?

[Hitei]

Okay now I'm curious. What have you seen ?

Your typical "skin color" options, at least 10 of them in a good variety of hues.



Added to this, patterning/scale options separate from those base colorations, allowing for variety within the hues themselves. Not sure if linked, but there's scale pattern variation in the faces (e.g. dark scales down the snout or not) as well.



Unclear at the moment, but potentially some sort of "secondary" skin color that controls the 'underbelly' section and wing color. Either that or there are way more than 10 skin hues and there's multiple versions of some/all the hues with different secondary colors.



Horns, of course. Coming in not only a variety of shapes as expected,

but also in a variety of colors, which are not linked to your skin color and with accessories (rings, extra spikes, etc.)


Multiple head shapes, not just texture modifications or slight rounder/narrower, but totally significantly different shapes.

(you'll also notice in the above pictures that you can customize the facial spikes and ears, add rhino horns, etc.)



Multiple configurations of spikes and plates for legs, arms and shoulders/collarbone (seemingly separate options), as noted previously, these are not textures but 3D modeled elements.


Neck and tail fins/spikes.


Seperate from that, types of tail-end.


And then of course, subtle though it may be (probably likely to be less subtle in the alpha version) multiple body types.

Definitely on a completely different level of customization that most races, whose options are largely just facial and hair, and then some texture and color options and maybe a few jewelry things with the more recent expansion of customization options.

[FossilFree]

This is a pretty disingenuous, at best, argument to make . No one is removing anything, there is a new race that prioritizes racial customization over transmog. There's another 12 classes and 23 races to pick from if you feel that transmogging the pants or chest slot outweighs that customization or the allure of a new class.

I think if you held that survey you'd be surprised how even the results would turn out. Consider for a moment that one of the most widely requested features for the transmog system was the ability to hide armor pieces. Also consider that out of combat, where transmog is most being paid attention to, you can wear complete transmog. Which again, doubles down on how nothing is being removed, because now your dress up barbie still has all the dress up parts, but in combat turns into a dragon that has a ton of swappable dragon parts.

Extra customization and wearing armor are not mutually exclusive concepts though. That would be like saying that Lightforged Draenei shouldn't be able to wear chestpieces because they have tattoos as customization and that is enough.

[DatToffer]

Definitely on a completely different level of customization that most races, whose options are largely just facial and hair, and then some texture and color options and maybe a few jewelry things with the more recent expansion of customization options.

That's interesting indeed. Especially the part where some customs are not just about textures, but also 3D models. I also wonder if it's gonna be a lot of separate options are a bunch of packages of options. I can see how the collarbone/shoulders/arms/legs options could be gathered into a few scale patterns options.

[Hitei]

Extra customization and wearing armor are not mutually exclusive concepts though. That would be like saying that Lightforged Draenei shouldn't be able to wear chestpieces because they have tattoos as customization and that is enough.

Again.

Tattoos = texture modification.
Dracthyr = model modification.

LF tattoos do absolutely nothing to impede a chest piece texture being applied to a model. If you slap a chest piece texture onto arms that have a bunch of spikes poking out, you end up with something that looks like complete shit. There is a reason why the pandaren heel and toe sections have permanent gold ornamental outlines.

[Auburst]

That's fine and all, I still want armor on the actual dragon. A shaman looking dragon looks fun to play

Me too mate. Soythyr should get better body option and armor to wear.

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Again.

Tattoos = texture modification.
Dracthyr = model modification.

LF tattoos do absolutely nothing to impede a chest piece texture being applied to a model. If you slap a chest piece texture onto arms that have a bunch of spikes poking out, you end up with something that looks like complete shit. There is a reason why the pandaren heel and toe sections have permanent gold ornamental outlines.

Swap Soythyr's 3d surface to flat textures while armor is being worn.

[jeezusisacasual]

They remind me of those action figures at Dollar Stores that cant move their arms or legs correctly. Just open the class up to other races.

[cparle87]

They remind me of those action figures at Dollar Stores that cant move their arms or legs correctly. Just open the class up to other races.

They're still models, of course they look like that. Remember every other time Blizzard anounced model updates and they displayed them in a ramrod straight pose and they looked just as bad.

[Berkilak]

They're still models, of course they look like that. Remember every other time Blizzard anounced model updates and they displayed them in a ramrod straight pose and they looked just as bad.

This isn't a T-pose. That's the neutral standing pose. And it looks horrid head-on.

But so do all lizard races, and lizards for that matter, so I can't blame them.

[bruxx]

Again.

Tattoos = texture modification.
Dracthyr = model modification.

LF tattoos do absolutely nothing to impede a chest piece texture being applied to a model. If you slap a chest piece texture onto arms that have a bunch of spikes poking out, you end up with something that looks like complete shit. There is a reason why the pandaren heel and toe sections have permanent gold ornamental outlines.

I see what you're saying, but if a few spikes/fins protruding from the arms and legs are the problem, I fail to see why they should be. It wouldn't take a whole lot of coding to get those to disappear when armor slot X is being displayed, just like hair does for hats.

Helms and cloaks could understandably never show, ofc.

[Teriz]

I see what you're saying, but if a few spikes/fins protruding from the arms and legs are the problem, I fail to see why they should be. It wouldn't take a whole lot of coding to get those to disappear when armor slot X is being displayed, just like hair does for hats.

Helms and cloaks could understandably never show, ofc.

Full armor and cloaks would look absolutely ridiculous on Dracthyrs.

This is a case of people thinking they want something, but they really don't.

[rhorle]

Full armor and cloaks would look absolutely ridiculous on Dracthyrs. This is a case of people thinking they want something, but they really don't.

Only helms would look ridiculous for the same reason they do on Worgen. The snout. A cloak wouldn't look that bad as wings would just clip through. It was stated that they are likely able to wear a tabard which would have the same issues on the back. The only difference between a cloak and a tabard is the cloak sits above the tail though cloaks aren't really part of "full armor" in my opinion since they aren't included in tier sets. So no big deal if a Drac'thyr can't wear a cloak. The only downside to that is all the "cool" special stuff is in the cloak/back slot.

Wowhead allows you to dress up a naga NPC and that looks weird because of having no legs. A Drac'thyr would be fairly normal with full armor. If Blizzard didn't had the extra pieces that stick out then there would be zero conflict besides the wings and cloaks.

[Teriz]

Only helms would look ridiculous for the same reason they do on Worgen. The snout. A cloak wouldn't look that bad as wings would just clip through. It was stated that they are likely able to wear a tabard which would have the same issues on the back. The only difference between a cloak and a tabard is the cloak sits above the tail though cloaks aren't really part of "full armor" in my opinion since they aren't included in tier sets. So no big deal if a Drac'thyr can't wear a cloak. The only downside to that is all the "cool" special stuff is in the cloak/back slot.

Wowhead allows you to dress up a naga NPC and that looks weird because of having no legs. A Drac'thyr would be fairly normal with full armor. If Blizzard didn't had the extra pieces that stick out then there would be zero conflict besides the wings and cloaks.

Weapons, and shields would also look ridiculous on Dracthyr. Not to mention the boots, or lack thereof. You're also forgetting their huge tails, which would cause further issues with the back slot and belts and pants.

When helms, cloaks, weapons, shoes, and pants don't work with the model, why are we bothering with armor?

[rhorle]

Weapons, and shields would also look ridiculous on Dracthyr. Not to mention the boots, or lack thereof. You're also forgetting their huge tails, which would cause further issues with the back slot and belts and pants.

You are aware that tails exist on current models just fine, right? They just clip through and don't cause an issue. Shoes are not an issue just like they are not for the hooves and paws we already have. Drac'thyr feet are nothing unique and the claws/nails that stick out could easily be hidden when armor is equipped. A shield currently isn't a problem because Evokers presumably can't equip them. They can just hide wearing a weapon on the back when "sheathed".

[Teriz]

You are aware that tails exist on current models just fine, right? They just clip through and don't cause an issue. Shoes are not an issue just like they are not for the hooves and paws we already have. Drac'thyr feet are nothing unique and the claws/nails that stick out could easily be hidden when armor is equipped. A shield currently isn't a problem because Evokers presumably can't equip them. They can just hide wearing a weapon on the back when "sheathed".

No race in the game has a tail as large and long as the dracthyr;



And considering the fins/spikes/whatever on those tails, that's going to cause some major clipping with the pants and cloak.

Again, if we're eliminating the helmet, the cloak, weapons, shoes/boots, and pants because they simply don't work with the model, why are we bothering with armor at all?

Also I'm mentioning shields because some people seem to believe that one day Drachtyr will be able to play classes beyond Evoker.

[rhorle]

No race in the game has a tail as large and long as the dracthyr;

It doesn't matter. A tail just clips through pants like with every other race. Just because it is long or larger at the base doesn't change how it will look with "belts and pants" compared to existing models. No existing tail has armor cover the tail so I'm not sure why you think the spikes and other bits on the tail would even be a factor. The only one eliminating all those things is yourself.

Feet work the same as other races with "non-human" feet. Helms can still exist just like they do with Worgen. They just look weird. Weapons sheathed on backs look weird for most anyways so it isn't a big deal to get rid of that aspect. Pants would work just fine with the model. Even Mechagnomes get part of pants showing up.

[Teriz]

It doesn't matter. A tail just clips through pants like with every other race. Just because it is long or larger at the base doesn't change how it will look with "belts and pants" compared to existing models. No existing tail has armor cover the tail so I'm not sure why you think the spikes and other bits on the tail would even be a factor. The only one eliminating all those things is yourself.

I'm eliminating it because it would be a clipping mess. The large base would eliminate a good portion of the pants, and the large tail and wings would clip heavily with cloaks. This is by design, since Blizzard knew that a creature with draconic attributes simply wouldn't work with standard player armor and gear.

Feet work the same as other races with "non-human" feet. Helms can still exist just like they do with Worgen. They just look weird. Weapons sheathed on backs look weird for most anyways so it isn't a big deal to get rid of that aspect. Pants would work just fine with the model. Even Mechagnomes get part of pants showing up.

The problem is that it would all look weird except probably the chest, shoulders and belt. Which is why Blizzard gave their dragon forms customized armor.