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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkilak View Post
    Armour is armour. You can argue the details all you want - it doesn't change the fact that Deathwing is the most iconic dragon in this franchise and he's armoured.
    The point is that Deathwing isn’t wearing armor to blunt attacks, or to shield himself from an external threat. The plates on his body are holding him together, like a prosthesis.

    Dracthyrs won’t be getting internally ripped apart by their own power, so they won’t need Deathwing-style armor plating. Dracthyr also won’t be mounts, so they won’t need that type of armor either.

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    “Dragons don’t wear armor… except the ones that do but they don’t count!”

    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    The point is that Deathwing isn’t wearing armor to blunt attacks, or to shield himself from an external threat. The plates on his body are holding him together, like a prosthesis.

    Dracthyrs won’t be getting internally ripped apart by their own power, so they won’t need Deathwing-style armor plating. Dracthyr also won’t be mounts, so they won’t need that type of armor either.
    How do you explain the armor that Dracthyr can already wear then?
    (Shoulders, belts, tabard from gear. Chest/helm from barber shop)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mic_128 View Post
    Actually, no.

    He's wearing that armour - by which I mean it's literally bolted into his flesh - because without it, his corrupted body couldn't contain his power. It would burst out like lava from a volcano, as demonstrated when we tear the plates from his back. He's literally bleeding magma, and the plates bolted into his flesh was the only thing keeping him together.
    So it is protecting him.
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    Bruh, is it me or is teriz always hard defending blizzard on every decision?

    Drakonid and dragonspawn wear armor. Those are the humanoid dragons. Dracthyr should also.

    They are literally taking the easy way out of this, cause they dont want to mat the entire armor set on a new frame. The armor was already going to fit on bes and female humans as recolors like every raid. But this is lazy as hell. It should be the players choice on how little the player wants... not then

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    I don't give 2 shits about whether its lore appropriate or not. I want to run around as a dragon and I want to show off fancy armour I collect. The end.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skayth View Post
    Bruh, is it me or is teriz always hard defending blizzard on every decision?

    Drakonid and dragonspawn wear armor. Those are the humanoid dragons. Dracthyr should also.

    They are literally taking the easy way out of this, cause they dont want to mat the entire armor set on a new frame. The armor was already going to fit on bes and female humans as recolors like every raid. But this is lazy as hell. It should be the players choice on how little the player wants... not then
    When provided with examples of dragons donning armour, he legitimately said that dragons cease to be dragons if you sit on them. That just boggles the mind - call me uncreative, but I couldn't come up with something so ridiculous if I tried.

    We all know that this has nothing to do with lore and everything to do with technical hurdles that they didn't take the time to explain (which was the correct choice for a teaser presentation). The texturing on the models (spikes, scales, etc.) and/or wings make it difficult to simply slap a new paintjob onto the Drac'thyr and have it look tolerable. I can completely understand if they don't give us the bodypoint armour and clothing. But if something uses a 3D model? That would "hover" above the skin and therefore avoid these issues? Toss those on.

    And if it isn't feasible to give all the mail armour attention to make sure they're only showing the 3D parts or whatever? Fair enough. But going forward... make the effort.

    For Evoker-specific gear, if nothing else.

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    Using Blizzard dev logic, their tier sets should be fitted perfectly for the model like heritage armor would. If it's exclusive to the race (and Evoker is only for Dracthyr) they should put in the effort for it to look good on their model. Like how they put in the effort for DH (and some legion leather) pieces to show off your tattoos.

    Most mail armor probably will look like the second image, but's to be expected since they don't want to resize everything that ever existed. But tier sets? At the very least, they should do that. There is little excuse there to implement a race they know looks bad and just doesn't work well for customization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ticj View Post
    With this line of thinking blizzard could serve you a literal pile of shit as a new class/race and you would be happy for it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Dracthyrs won’t be getting internally ripped apart by their own power, so they won’t need Deathwing-style armor plating. Dracthyr also won’t be mounts, so they won’t need that type of armor either.
    Dracthyr are a player race, not an NPC. Player races wear visible armor while in their native form.

    Alex is not a player character. Thus she does not wear armor. She's as removed from a player character as mounts and pets are by your own definition. You can't say fluff makes Dracthyr dragons but then go all dragons in armor don't count as dragons because of game mechanics.

    If Dracthyr can't wear armor then its no different than a demon hunter or druid form, with the actual race being their 'visage'. At that point Dracthyr are even more removed from playable dragons, as the dragon form is just an ability of the reskinned Human/Elf. Same as how a pet isn't really an animal according to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    I don't give 2 shits about whether its lore appropriate or not. I want to run around as a dragon and I want to show off fancy armour I collect. The end.
    Exactly! Half the point of RPGs is to get better gear and show it off. Why would they think players wouldn't want to see the rewards for their efforts? It's just a dumb decision that wasn't very well thought out.

    Do they realize that there is literally no point in raiding on a dracthyr evoker if you can't even see what you earned? It's an alt, at best. And that is for the supposed headliner of the expansion. Not a great start at all.

    Make mail armor work for dracthyr, even if it costs a raid tier. Dracthyr are forever, a raid tier is one patch. Do it right the first time, don't come back later with "we are changing it in 10.1.5 after listening to player feedback," change it now. Cut the problem off at the pass before it becomes another Covenant system in SL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    Exactly! Half the point of RPGs is to get better gear and show it off. Why would they think players wouldn't want to see the rewards for their efforts? It's just a dumb decision that wasn't very well thought out.

    Do they realize that there is literally no point in raiding on a dracthyr evoker if you can't even see what you earned? It's an alt, at best. And that is for the supposed headliner of the expansion. Not a great start at all.
    You can’t see armor on 3/4s of Druid specs, and they don’t have that problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    You can’t see armor on 3/4s of Druid specs, and they don’t have that problem.
    are you going to pretend like druids haven't complained about it for ever?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    You can’t see armor on 3/4s of Druid specs, and they don’t have that problem.
    Druid forms are class abilities. Dracthyr's dragon forms is their natural form. If we want to treat Dracthyr like druids, their Elf/Human form should be naked, and their Dragon form should be clothed.

    Not that druids haven't complained about it forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    are you going to pretend like druids haven't complained about it for ever?
    Not enough to stop them from being the top picked class in the game, or from Blizzard to make their transmogs appear in beast form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    You can’t see armor on 3/4s of Druid specs, and they don’t have that problem.
    It's been a problem since beta, if not earlier. They haven't shut up about it since their mechanics were revealed. With good reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myradin View Post
    Druid forms are class abilities. Dracthyr's dragon forms is their natural form. If we want to treat Dracthyr like druids, their Elf/Human form should be naked, and their Dragon form should be clothed.

    Not that druids haven't complained about it forever.
    Like Dracthyr, Druids can’t see their armor in combat. Not much of a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkilak View Post
    It's been a problem since beta, if not earlier. They haven't shut up about it since their mechanics were revealed. With good reason.
    Again, Druid population numbers suggest otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Again, Druid population numbers suggest otherwise.
    So you are putting forth that people playing any given class have no issues with that class and fully endorse every design decision made for that class?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutineer View Post
    This whole armor debate is honestly baffling to me. Don't want armor? Don't mog any. Wow!

    Dracthyr should show their tier sets in dragon form, or at least as many of their 3D components as possible. Simple as.
    Seriously, it amazes me that anyone is campaigning for Dracthyr to NOT show mogs. We can already hide all but one piece. Those that want to run naked should campaign for the option to hide pants instead. Everyone wins :|

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    You can’t see armor on 3/4s of Druid specs, and they don’t have that problem.
    Litterally the reason that I dropped my original druid main.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Not enough to stop them from being the top picked class in the game, or from Blizzard to make their transmogs appear in beast form.
    How many are Feral/Bear vs Resto/Moonkin with the glyph.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    You can’t see armor on 3/4s of Druid specs, and they don’t have that problem.
    The dracthyr form is actually the true form, while the visage form is the shapeshift. So if we are comparing to druids, it's the visage form that shouldn't be showing armor. Let the shapeshift visage form have the bargain bin thrift store barber shop customization options and let the true dracthyr form wear armor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruxx View Post
    Seriously, it amazes me that anyone is campaigning for Dracthyr to NOT show mogs. We can already hide all but one piece. Those that want to run naked should campaign for the option to hide pants instead. Everyone wins :|
    It's actually a bit pornographic to have humanoids running around buck naked 100% of the time.

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