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  1. #201
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celement View Post
    What backing is that..?
    WoW has always been "grindy". And while you might find that dull and boring, a lot of people enjoy that about it. It is a big part of why Classic has enjoyed so much success.

    Quote Originally Posted by Celement View Post
    Is it the same backing as "muh meaningful choices" that saw most specs aligning with massive majorities all being the same covenant/soulbinds?
    I am not sure why you think that has relevance to what I was talking about. I mean, sure, you could argue that this was a problem with the powers offered by Shadowlands' legendaries, but I think the real focus of the OP was with how they are acquired. That is what I was talking about at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Of course it failed miserably. Blizz really pushed those p2w elements by making gold a necessary resource for any and all legendaries. But at least token sales went up I'm sure
    It's not p2w when it is trivially acquired in game without having to spend money. And no, it probably had a negligible effect on token sales.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelbo View Post
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    It's not p2w when it is trivially acquired in game without having to spend money. And no, it probably had a negligible effect on token sales.
    Oh yeah it's so easy to just drum up 100k+ every patch when the base items upgrade. The new ones are cheap now, but that's new and it's never been like that until now several weeks into 9.2.

    Stop defending p2w it's weird. Just say you don't care it's more accurate lol

  3. #203
    i agree. my prblem is purely for the crafting aspect. throwing millions of gold out the window because i like to play alts is retarded. also the actual effects are pretty mediocre. and recycled ones from legion are even weaker

    everything needed to craft an item should have come from torghast

  4. #204
    Quote Originally Posted by Celement View Post
    What's fun about it be specific.
    You need me to explain why something like a legendary weapon is fun to get?
    "stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celement View Post
    What's fun about it be specific.
    Fun is subjective - Some enjoy the journey, some the destination. Some love the visuals of a lego weapon, some the theme / lore. What a strange question.
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  6. #206
    can we agree legiondaries were the best?

  7. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by NineSpine View Post
    You need me to explain why something like a legendary weapon is fun to get?
    Alright I assumed we were talking about crafted again my mistake if that didn't come across clearly.

    As for weapons though since you brought them up. I personally just think they create more problems then they are worth as classes end up being balanced around them no matter their acquisition method. That or they are rather "meh" like sylvanas's bow

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    Quote Originally Posted by B01L View Post
    I just want some quality quest chains that allow me to update my Fangs of the Father to be relevant in future expansions...!
    Oh you .... But I wouldn't hold out any hope, they have stood the test of time that's for certain, Dragon Soul/Cata gear in general has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Oh yeah it's so easy to just drum up 100k+ every patch when the base items upgrade.
    Yes it is. It is trivially easy. You literally have months and months to acquire the gold.

    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Stop defending p2w it's weird.
    I am not "defending p2w". I never have. And if the day ever comes that WoW does become p2w, I'll be the first to make a big noise about it.

    This is not p2w. The only weird thing here is people like you who think it is.

  10. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by Celement View Post
    Alright I assumed we were talking about crafted again my mistake if that didn't come across clearly.

    As for weapons though since you brought them up. I personally just think they create more problems then they are worth as classes end up being balanced around them no matter their acquisition method. That or they are rather "meh" like sylvanas's bow
    The crafted legendaries were garbage. If legendaries worked like their equivalent in Destiny, where they are spec-defining and you collect them and keep them forever through expansions, maybe it could be more interesting.

    If you can have fun or you can have a level of balance that ultimately only impacts the top 0.2%, you should go for fun. The arms race between balance and content tuning is already a disaster in wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelbo View Post



    I am not "defending p2w". I never have. And if the day ever comes that WoW does become p2w, I'll be the first to make a big noise about it
    P2w has come to wow, yet here you are full of hot air lol.

    Buy token, convert to gold, buy player power. This isn't rocket science

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    I absolutely LOVED the system in Legion. It made all content relevant, old raids etc, and every boss kill had that excitement of possibly getting a legendary.

    Yes, I can imagine it sucked for high end mythic raiders, but those are a small percentage they shouldn't cater to anyway. For the avarage player, Legions system was so much fun!

  13. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by Runicblood View Post
    How do average players make that much money? They don't, they buy tokens.
    As an average player, yes it was really expensive, and yes, I can see how people pushing higher end raiding would feel the need to buy tokens unless they're already someone who sold runs and raked in obscene cash from that.

    But on the lower end of raiding, I just used a lower tier legendary. It costs you a few item levels, but you can make up for them with your other gear. Main specs get the highest priority, off specs get whatever I can still afford. I'd say I probably spent about 200k gold on legendaries across all my alts.

    I preferred this over the complete RNG aspect of Legion. The worst grind I had for a BIS legendary was one boss of one dungeon that I ran around 25 times. Would've helped to know higher difficulty meant higher drop rate. Still beat spending the entire Legion expansion and not getting the one I wanted until the last patch.
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  14. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by Watchers View Post
    can we agree legiondaries were the best?
    Pre-Wakening Essence - hell no.

    7.3 Legendaries > 9.2 Legendaries -------------------------------------- > All other shitty iterations

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    Let legendaries be legendaries again. How can a item that everyone has and can easily craft become a thing of legend? I bought a spanner at some home-depot styled store. Can this also become a legend? "The spanner of a thousand screws"

    What we need is actual legendary items. That are few and far apart. Not miscolored items everyone can get.


    (yes, i know a spanner isn't used on screws, but mine is legendary so you can't argue that logic)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    Pre-Wakening Essence - hell no.

    7.3 Legendaries > 9.2 Legendaries -------------------------------------- > All other shitty iterations
    There were no other shitty iterations, though. Only Legion and SL were shitty, with Legion taking the shit crown by far.

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    I think SL legendaries were very successful for blizzard. Definitely not for the players. I dont think the player was ever the focus of any benefit from these items. It was all about selling more tokens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    Pre-Wakening Essence - hell no.

    7.3 Legendaries > 9.2 Legendaries -------------------------------------- > All other shitty iterations
    Ditto, people memory hole the systems in legion pre 7.2/7.3, they were dog shit before that. Want to raid and and not be 20% damage behind same class, better hope you get the right leggo. Ohh you didn't? Well you are effectively locked out from getting any leggos in the next 40 hours of gameplay.

    Legion is one of those strange expansions, the raids, dungeons, stories, etc were so good that people selectively forget how bad AP grind and leggos were for the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorman View Post
    I think SL legendaries were very successful for blizzard. Definitely not for the players. I dont think the player was ever the focus of any benefit from these items. It was all about selling more tokens.
    I kind of dread the crafting revamp becoming the same thing.

  20. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by Runicblood View Post
    I realize it was an attempt to step away from the RNG legendaries that we had before, but the way it turned out to be was more a cash grab for blizzard.

    Crafters profit is near 0 with all expensive secondary mats needed, while buyers have to be spending anywhere from 40-200k just to be relevant with their maxed leggo slots for one spec. If we start getting into off specs and alts, i think people are easily spending towards 1m gold.

    How do average players make that much money? They don't, they buy tokens.

    I'm already spending 15 euros a month to play, i dont really want to be spending another 20 euros to equip my must-have gear.

    inb4, yeah have fun grinding out that gold with dailies. Nobody got time for that.
    Every time someone tries to pass off their own opinion as a group consensus with "Can we agree that XXXX" it just boggles me. Can't you just be honest and write it as "Who here agrees with me that XXXX"?

    Then in before ass numbers, the claim that nobody actually earns money they all buy tokens, then the claim that the OP somehow is FORCED to buy tokens, then the claim that legendaries are inordinately expensively when even the highest ones aren't and the reality that the largest part of their power is available from the lowest rank.
    The most difficult thing to do is accept that there is nothing wrong with things you don't like and accept that people can like things you don't.

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