Elon Musk Buys Twitter

[Pannonian]

On the basis that it shouldn't be legal to broadcast someone's location with the specific intention of tracking them 24/7 and letting everyone know where they are. Why is still such a foreign concept to you people? Would you like it if someone was tracking you and letting the world know all the time?



There was literally zero mental gymnastics involved. It is still publicly available even if I have to piece it together from multiple public sources.

If someone wants to track Musk's plane 24/7 based on publicly available flight data, then go for it, but don't go broadcasting it publicly to everyone.

It IS broadcasted. You know why? TO PREVENT PLANES CRASHING MIDAIR! Is this really something we need to point out?

Also: Planes have no right to privacy - i know in the US you like to make corportations into people, but planes are not (til now at least).

If you have problem understanding the difference: A plane is tracked - it may include Elon or not, just like any other plane. Sure, next we ban announcement of departures and landing because elon musk COULD be on the plane? You're delusional.

[Gabriel]

It IS broadcasted. You know why? TO PREVENT PLANES CRASHING MIDAIR! Is this really something we need to point out?

Also: Planes have no right to privacy - i know in the US you like to make corportations into people, but planes are not (til now at least).

If you have problem understanding the difference: A plane is tracked - it may include Elon or not, just like any other plane. Sure, next we ban announcement of departures and landing because elon musk COULD be on the plane? You're delusional.

For fuck's sake... Planes broadcasting their transponder signals is different from someone live tweeting the plane's location.

[Shadowferal]

Posting a plane's location isn't doxxing. It's not much of anything really.

[Gabriel]

You guys know that there are so many legitimately reasons to criticize Musk, that going after EVERY opinion he has, just because it was him who had it, makes you look stupid?

[Shadowferal]

You guys know that there are so many legitimately reasons to criticize Musk, that going after EVERY opinion he has, just because it was him who had it, makes you look stupid?

I assure you it isn't anyone here that looks stupid for having a stupid opinion.
Musk seems to be in the same ridiculous self-destructive spiral as Trump.

[Elder Millennial]

You guys know that there are so many legitimately reasons to criticize Musk, that going after EVERY opinion he has, just because it was him who had it, makes you look stupid?

Tracking the use and movement of private jets is public interest information in the US because:

1. https://eu.statesman.com/story/news/...ts/6879710001/ private planes is basically a full tax write off in the US. To get this deduction owners claim these planes to be primarily used for "business" purposes. So considering the fact that these planes are essentially paid for by tax payers, tax payers should be eligible to know when they are used for business travel and when they are used for leisure. This is public interest information.

2. The use of these planes has a disproportionate environmental impact, which again trickles back to the tax payer. Knowing how much, when and where these planes are flown are thus again public interest information.

Under no imaginable scenario is this doxxing anyone. If Musk or ilk want to travel anonymously they can do so by either driving or getting on a commercial flight, with the rest of us plebs. It's really that simple.

[Gabriel]

I assure you it isn't anyone here that looks stupid for having a stupid opinion.
Musk seems to be in the same ridiculous self-destructive spiral as Trump.

I don't disagree.

I was a Musk fanboy when he was all about going to Mars, but then he grew his ego a couple of orders of magnitude larger and got involved in retarded politics.

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Tracking the use and movement of private jets is public interest information in the US because:

1. https://eu.statesman.com/story/news/...ts/6879710001/ private planes is basically a full tax write off in the US. To get this deduction owners claim these planes to be primarily used for "business" purposes. So considering the fact that these planes are essentially paid for by tax payers, tax payers should be eligible to know when they are used for business travel and when they are used for leisure. This is public interest information.

2. The use of these planes has a disproportionate environmental impact, which again trickles back to the tax payer. Knowing how much, when and where these planes are flown are thus again public interest information.

Under no imaginable scenario is this doxxing anyone. If Musk or ilk want to travel anonymously they can do so by either driving or getting on a commercial flight, with the rest of us plebs. It's really that simple.

Then the IRS should be the one doing the tracking and not someone on Twitter.

[Shadowferal]

The upshot here is I've zero sympathy for a multi-billionaire loud mouth narcissistic hypocrite celebrity.

[Elder Millennial]

Then the IRS should be the one doing the tracking and not someone on Twitter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_interest

It is an issue of public interest.

"ex ante welfare of the representative individual."

As in, the interests of the public comes before the welfare of the individual. Musk and ilk can at any time enjoy the same anonymity as the rest of us, as soon as they renounce the special benefits granted to them in the form of their tax deductions and special social impacts we have to deal with for their benefit.

The lack of anonymity in this context is in a way "the cost of doing business".

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Then the IRS should be the one doing the tracking and not someone on Twitter.

He's not doing the tracking.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I could dox the real life location of several people in this thread by cross referencing your posting habits, sentence patterns, and user names, with other social media sites until I came upon a rl picture, from which point it is just a matter of spending some time of Facebook. All publicly available.

Should I be allowed to do it and then post the results here?

Tracking a jet isn't anywhere remotely near what you're talking about.

But the ultimate point is this: Musk was mister "Absolute free speech" and now he's discovering that some speech has the potential to be dangerous. His jet's flight logs aren't a danger to him or his family... but he believes it is. So he's really not a champion of free speech like he says he is. He's going to restrict whatever speech he deems might hurt him and his poor fee fees.

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[Muzjhath]

You guys know that there are so many legitimately reasons to criticize Musk, that going after EVERY opinion he has, just because it was him who had it, makes you look stupid?

You know one of the reasons the bot was created was because Elon tried to big up his saving the earth from fossil fuels etcetera PR things
So someone looked at how much he moved his private jet around.
Which included from San Jose to San Francisco. Which is a 50 minute car ride.

[Hypasonic]

You guys know that there are so many legitimately reasons to criticize Musk, that going after EVERY opinion he has, just because it was him who had it, makes you look stupid?

But it's the new "cool" thing to do! The man's gonna take us to mars, let him have some fun with a social media site I say.

[s_bushido]

The man's gonna take us to mars

rofl

If you believe that, I've got a hyperloop to sell you.

[Cthulhu 2020]

If anyone wants to see a modern textbook example of the Streisand Effect, look no further than Elmo Muzk. The more he tries to censor, the more people start to look at what he's censoring and ask "why?"

[BrokenRavens]

So it was not just that chat that got prematurely ended? The whole “Twitter audio chat” feature is off line for everyone?

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-kills-...tal-1849902405

[Cthulhu 2020]

So it was not just that chat that got prematurely ended? The whole “Twitter audio chat” feature is off line for everyone?

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-kills-...tal-1849902405

Can't have people talking to each other! When the plebs gather and communicate, it only means bad things for the guy in power.

[BrokenRavens]

Media organizations and the German Foreign Office have demanded an explanation over the bans while the EU has threatened sanctions. Elon Musk said the suspensions were due to the tracking of private jets.

The German Foreign Office tweeted screenshots on Friday of the accounts of journalists suspended by Twitter, telling the social media platform that suspending their accounts was unacceptable.

"Press freedom cannot be switched on and off on a whim," the ministry wrote on its official Twitter page. "The journalists below can no longer follow us, comment and criticize. We have a problem with that, @twitter."

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The EU, meanwhile, has warned Elon Musk that Twitter could be subject to sanctions under a new media law after the "worrying" suspension of the journalists.

"EU's Digital Services Act requires respect of media freedom and fundamental rights. This is reinforced under our Media Freedom Act," EU Transparency Commissioner Vera Jourova tweeted.

"Elon Musk should be aware of that. There are red lines. And sanctions, soon."

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-says-t...ble/a-64118704

[Biglog]

The US usually takes a more business-sided approach and is slower to act, but they eventually do. The EU on the other hand isn't going to let the journalist banning slide for long and I expect action. Yes it's a private business, but his actions are also contradictory to EU laws and what he said when the SEC allowed the transaction to go through. And Twitter was already under investigation in the US. So he may find that was an overstep. It's abundantly clear now that Mr. devoid of personality's goal is to turn Twitter into what Parler hoped to be.

This has been the move that is really causing people to rethink Twitter as a platform and look at alternatives, much more than initially. It's unfortunate that the alternatives are still pretty rudimentary and early in development. But whichever one wins between Mastodon, Post, etc. is going to see some exponential growth in 23. And even the holdout advertisers are going to start avoiding Twitter like the plague, short of the My Pillow guy. No advertisers, no subscription income, good luck with that business model.

[The Stormbringer]

I'm disappointed in Asmongold buying into the "It's doxxing!" nonsense. I don't always agree with his takes, but usually he seems to be a pretty intelligent and well-spoken guy. This one is just the dumbest fucking take, though.

EDIT: I just noticed... this thread is in Politics? Why is this thread in Politics???