Elon Musk Buys Twitter

[Huehuecoyotl]

I'm disappointed in Asmongold buying into the "It's doxxing!" nonsense. I don't always agree with his takes, but usually he seems to be a pretty intelligent and well-spoken guy. This one is just the dumbest fucking take, though.

EDIT: I just noticed... this thread is in Politics? Why is this thread in Politics???

Because Musk has made it about politics with his wild swing to the right that's taking Twitter with it.

[Edge-]

For fuck's sake... Planes broadcasting their transponder signals is different from someone live tweeting the plane's location.

The only difference is "ease of access" to the information, as it remains available otherwise.

Anyone who actually wants to find it can find it with or without the Twitter account.

Note: None of this would be much of an issue or would result in any mockery if Elom hadn't spent the past year refusing to shut up about how much he was committed to the First Amendment, including repeat explicit commitments not to ban this account. This was all part of his high minded "I AM BUYING TWITTER FOR THE FUTURE OF HUMANITY" insanity.

It doesn't help that this comes on the heels of him, by his own definition, doxxing some random person on his platform in what he claims was a crime that happened to him outside the airport despite the geolocation being a bit of a ways from any airport and there being zero police reports filed in the vicinity the incident was geolocated to.

So it was not just that chat that got prematurely ended? The whole “Twitter audio chat” feature is off line for everyone?

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-kills-...tal-1849902405

Rofl, Elom is the ultimate triggered dude with wax paper thin skin. Those hair plugs must be leaking into the 'ol brain box.

[BrokenRavens]

So this is pretty obvious in that democratic lawmakers are looking for alternatives to Twitter. (TBH I wondered what took them so long.) But what I found interesting is this bit;

The Congressman said he is testing out Post, a new VC-backed Twitter rival still getting off the ground, while his wife is trying out Mastodon, an open-source platform that Musk is currently blocking links to on Twitter.

https://www.semafor.com/article/12/1...itter-implodes

Pretty sure mastodon itself is not reporting on the whereabouts of his jet.

[Edge-]

Pretty sure mastodon itself is not reporting on the whereabouts of his jet.

IIRC the plane tracker dude made accounts on a bunch of other platforms and Elom is banning links to those, which is at least consistent. But it also really looks like he's protecting Twitter's interests by suppressing Freeze Peach, which is weird for a Freeze Peach absolutist.

[AntiFascistVoter]

10,000 forum vets just bullied the ex-richest man into crying.

Shitposting is praxis!!!

[XDurionX]

10,000 forum vets just bullied the ex-richest man into crying.

Shitposting is praxis!!!

In an orchestrated effort we can get him to not only ruin Twitter, but Tesla as well.

[Orange Joe]

On the basis that it shouldn't be legal to broadcast someone's location with the specific intention of tracking them 24/7 and letting everyone know where they are. Why is still such a foreign concept to you people? Would you like it if someone was tracking you and letting the world know all the time?



There was literally zero mental gymnastics involved. It is still publicly available even if I have to piece it together from multiple public sources.

If someone wants to track Musk's plane 24/7 based on publicly available flight data, then go for it, but don't go broadcasting it publicly to everyone.

except it doesn't track him 24/7 it doesn't even track him. It ONLY tracks the plane whether he is on it or not.

[Edge-]

except it doesn't track him 24/7 it doesn't even track him. It ONLY tracks the plane whether he is on it or not.

Hey, don't millions of people have my phone number and area code from the Yellow Pages? THE YELLOW PAGES HAVE BEEN DOXXING MILLIONS OF AMERICANS FOR DECADES!

[Endus]

Of all the dumb shit Elon does, this is the dumbest fight you guys decided to pick.

He is a cunt, but tracking someone's location like this, even with publicly available data, shouldn't be legal.

It's literally publicly available information. By definition not private. It's like looking up the address for the Capitol Building in DC and having members of Congress shout "DOXXING!"

Literally that ridiculous.

I could dox the real life location of several people in this thread by cross referencing your posting habits, sentence patterns, and user names, with other social media sites until I came upon a rl picture, from which point it is just a matter of spending some time of Facebook. All publicly available.

Should I be allowed to do it and then post the results here?

"I could take your name, and look up your address and phone number in the phone book. Should I be allowed to do that?"

If it's public information, it's not private. Calling this "doxxing" is pretty fuckin' ridiculous. If you hacked MMO-C to get my IP info or something, that'd be a problem, but the problem there lies mostly with violating MMO-C, not my IP info, which MMO-C totally has and that's fine.

Also, good frickin' luck tracking me down on the social media I don't use. I have a Facebook as a placeholder, but I never check it, it contains no information about me that isn't super generic, and I don't think it even has a single photo. I use this username mostly everywhere, but there are essentially no connections to my real name, either. Because I value my privacy.

If you're putting your entire life onto public social media sites all over the Internet, that shit's not private any more, it's stuff you wanted the whole world to be able to know about you, just by looking you up. And no; I don't have any problem with random Internet strangers knowing publicly-available information that a person has published about themselves specifically for random Internet strangers to know about themselves. It's like checking my high school yearbook and bragging that you know what my senior quote was. Yeah, that's why it's in the book, genius.

[AntiFascistVoter]

I could dox the real life location of several people in this thread by cross referencing your posting habits, sentence patterns, and user names, with other social media sites until I came upon a rl picture, from which point it is just a matter of spending some time of Facebook. All publicly available.

Should I be allowed to do it and then post the results here?

Lol say hi to SuperTony for us!

[Okacz]

If it's public information, it's not private. Calling this "doxxing" is pretty fuckin' ridiculous. If you hacked MMO-C to get my IP info or something, that'd be a problem, but the problem there lies mostly with violating MMO-C, not my IP info, which MMO-C totally has and that's fine.

Also, good frickin' luck tracking me down on the social media I don't use. I have a Facebook as a placeholder, but I never check it, it contains no information about me that isn't super generic, and I don't think it even has a single photo. I use this username mostly everywhere, but there are essentially no connections to my real name, either. Because I value my privacy.

If you're putting your entire life onto public social media sites all over the Internet, that shit's not private any more, it's stuff you wanted the whole world to be able to know about you, just by looking you up. And no; I don't have any problem with random Internet strangers knowing publicly-available information that a person has published about themselves specifically for random Internet strangers to know about themselves. It's like checking my high school yearbook and bragging that you know what my senior quote was. Yeah, that's why it's in the book, genius.

By definition, doxxing is not just about private information, it's repeated gathering and publishing any kind of identifying information about a person. If I, for instance, chose to constantly publish information about your position, like whether you're at home or not, or the location of your car, I'd be a complete asshole for doing so, and yes, I'd be most likely doxxing. I could be an additional asshole saying that all I'm doing is posting the position of a car I particularly like (which by coincidence is yours), but the whole thing is still quite malicious.

I know that Elon is getting fucking riddiculous at this point, with sociopathic tendencies, erratic behaviour around the acquisition of Twitter (and inhumane treating of its staff) and the whole Starlink situation that forced USA government to strongarm him. But being on the side of people who do shit like that can't be a good idea. At some point it will backfire, and label all people with legit criticism against Elon as being supporters of some creepy wannabe stalkers.

Also yeah, bragging about how invisible you are to the system because you didn't add any photo of Facebook - well, you aren't quite untracable yet, and it could very easily happen to you if you'd at any point have any asshole enemies.

[Gabriel]

Lol say hi to SuperTony for us!

I could if I wanted to, not that I did. Sorry if the spelling came out wrong.

[Draco-Onis]

By definition, doxxing is not just about private information, it's repeated gathering and publishing any kind of identifying information about a person. If I, for instance, chose to constantly publish information about your position, like whether you're at home or not, or the location of your car, I'd be a complete asshole for doing so, and yes, I'd be most likely doxxing. I could be an additional asshole saying that all I'm doing is posting the position of a car I particularly like (which by coincidence is yours), but the whole thing is still quite malicious.

I know that Elon is getting fucking riddiculous at this point, with sociopathic tendencies, erratic behaviour around the acquisition of Twitter (and inhumane treating of its staff) and the whole Starlink situation that forced USA government to strongarm him. But being on the side of people who do shit like that can't be a good idea. At some point it will backfire, and label all people with legit criticism against Elon as being supporters of some creepy wannabe stalkers.

Also yeah, bragging about how invisible you are to the system because you didn't add any photo of Facebook - well, you aren't quite untracable yet, and it could very easily happen to you if you'd at any point have any asshole enemies.

I hate to state the obvious but since this is publicly available information, why doesn't Elon fly incognito? there are a lot of private jet companies that offer that and it's cheaper than owning a jet. The twitter account is just making it easier to access but there are sites that track this, the whole thing just seems weird and dumb. It's not like he doesn't have the money to be a ghost when he flies.

[Okacz]

I hate to state the obvious but since this is publicly available information, why doesn't Elon fly incognito? there are a lot of private jet companies that offer that and it's cheaper than owning a jet. The twitter account is just making it easier to access but there are sites that track this, the whole thing just seems weird and dumb. It's not like he doesn't have the money to be a ghost when he flies.

I get it, but this argument is swaying dangerously close to "You dislike being stalked? Just hide!", which I'm not the biggest fan of. And there's no doubt that all this information is readily available, but the issue is the precedent of people creepily collecting the data with some serious accuracy and publishing it online, as if to say "were watching your every move, but we are the good guys because it's perfectly legal". There's no joy in defending a billionaire being in that situation, but the precedent is dangerous.

[Orange Joe]

By definition, doxxing is not just about private information, it's repeated gathering and publishing any kind of identifying information about a person. If I, for instance, chose to constantly publish information about your position, like whether you're at home or not, or the location of your car, I'd be a complete asshole for doing so, and yes, I'd be most likely doxxing. I could be an additional asshole saying that all I'm doing is posting the position of a car I particularly like (which by coincidence is yours), but the whole thing is still quite malicious.

I know that Elon is getting fucking riddiculous at this point, with sociopathic tendencies, erratic behaviour around the acquisition of Twitter (and inhumane treating of its staff) and the whole Starlink situation that forced USA government to strongarm him. But being on the side of people who do shit like that can't be a good idea. At some point it will backfire, and label all people with legit criticism against Elon as being supporters of some creepy wannabe stalkers.

Also yeah, bragging about how invisible you are to the system because you didn't add any photo of Facebook - well, you aren't quite untracable yet, and it could very easily happen to you if you'd at any point have any asshole enemies.

Since when?

[Gabriel]

Since when?

"Private or identifying information about...."

[Orange Joe]

"Private or identifying information about...."

Whats the last part of the definition? You know, after where you stopped for some reason.....

[Edge-]

And there's no doubt that all this information is readily available, but the issue is the precedent of people creepily collecting the data with some serious accuracy

Which airport is his private plane at? Is he at the airport? Which gate did it arrive at? How will you know which car he leaves in?

Again, all this information is publicly available, it being "easy' to access is irrelevant. It's public information akin to your home address.

as if to say "were watching your every move

The every move of his plane*

The movement of his private jet doesn't mean he is there.

but we are the good guys because it's perfectly legal".

If only he hadn't explicitly committed to keeping the account open as part of his "Freeze Peach Absolutism".

There's no joy in defending a billionaire being in that situation, but the precedent is dangerous.

It's not dangerous, and nobody is forcing you to defend a billionaire who doesn't need defending.

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"Private or identifying information about...."

Is Elom an airplane?

[Gabriel]

Whats the last part of the definition? You know, after where you stopped for some reason.....

Ohh you mean the "...about (a particular individual) on the internet, typically with malicious intent."

What about it? The very definition you yourself linked says that it isn't only about private information, but also identifying information.

[Endus]

I get it, but this argument is swaying dangerously close to "You dislike being stalked? Just hide!", which I'm not the biggest fan of. And there's no doubt that all this information is readily available, but the issue is the precedent of people creepily collecting the data with some serious accuracy and publishing it online, as if to say "were watching your every move, but we are the good guys because it's perfectly legal". There's no joy in defending a billionaire being in that situation, but the precedent is dangerous.

It's more like "if you want privacy, stop publicly broadcasting your information". It's not suggesting they hide​. Just stop publicly publishing your info. It's like opening an OnlyFans and complaining everyone's looking at your nudes.