1. #2781
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    In what way, specifically? Amsterdam as a city's been around well over 500 years. The canal system dates back to the 17th Century.


    After World War 2, many European cities were rebuilt on a very similar model to the American ones. It was only around the 70's to 80's that people realized the model is shit and they started ripping the roads out and refocusing on public transport. This has been pretty much the case across Western Europe, tho cities in the low countries were some of the worst affected. Followed by some Southern European ones which were hit horribly by smog and pollution and they got on the public transport focus much later typically in the 90's and 2000s.

    This is part of the misconception, it's like a reverse of what's happening in the US. Americans cannot imagine cities without cars and in turn people cannot fathom European cities absolutely swamped and chocked by traffic, parking lots and cement grey air and skies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    The US is simply too big and too wide open for that, the only places that Public Transportation works, is in the big cities with buses and subways/trains. I live in a small ass town in the middle of the Midwest, we don't even have Ubers/Lyfts here because it wouldn't be worth it.
    I know, I know. One you believed the myth hook line and sinker and you also bought into the everyone lives a million miles from everyone else because YOU live in a town of 50 people, bla bla bla. The misinformation about this topic in the US is so pervasive.

    I mostly covered this already. Read that one.

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  2. #2782
    Quote Originally Posted by Elder Millennial View Post
    https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2...-cars-in-1972/

    After World War 2, many European cities were rebuilt on a very similar model to the American ones. It was only around the 70's to 80's that people realized the model is shit and they started ripping the roads out and refocusing on public transport. This has been pretty much the case across Western Europe, tho cities in the low countries were some of the worst affected. Followed by some Southern European ones which were hit horribly by smog and pollution and they got on the public transport focus much later typically in the 90's and 2000s.

    This is part of the misconception, it's like a reverse of what's happening in the US. Americans cannot imagine cities without cars and in turn people cannot fathom European cities absolutely swamped and chocked by traffic, parking lots and cement grey air and skies.

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    I know, I know. One you believed the myth hook line and sinker and you also bought into the everyone lives a million miles from everyone else because YOU live in a town of 50 people, bla bla bla. The misinformation about this topic in the US is so pervasive.

    I mostly covered this already. Read that one.
    Its not a myth, in my state, there are more cows, deer, or pigs than people. I don't have a city that is more than 200k people in it, those have public transportation, but it would literally cost billions to get working public transportation, just for my state alone. I am not saying that most people don't live in cities, but when you only have maybe 5 cities in my state that might have public transportation, it isn't that big of a stretch that public transportation doesn't work for most of the states.

  3. #2783
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Its not a myth, in my state, there are more cows, deer, or pigs than people. I don't have a city that is more than 200k people in it, those have public transportation, but it would literally cost billions to get working public transportation, just for my state alone. I am not saying that most people don't live in cities, but when you only have maybe 5 cities in my state that might have public transportation, it isn't that big of a stretch that public transportation doesn't work for most of the states.
    I'm assuming you're talking about South Dakota and Sioux Falls then.

    OK, it doesn't work for you, but again you fall into that 17% vs 83% for which it wouldn't. But again, it would work for the 4 of 5 Americans. Hell, even if it would only for for 3 of 5 Americans it would still worth refocusing on public transport. This is what I was referring to earlier. You take something that is true for 60 or 70 million Americans, but then go "All of America." It's not that it wouldn't work in the US, it's that it wouldn't work in your town in bumfuck (excuse the hyperbole, don't mean to offend) South Dakota.

    I'm also pretty sure there is some village in rural France or Japan, population 3 grandmothers, a stray cat and 11 goats that doesn't even have a bus line. But that doesn't mean that "obviously this bus thing would never work in France or Japan".
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  4. #2784
    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Ah shit. I hoped twitter would go away completely, without Elmo someone else might get it back running better.

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    Elon on Friday: JUST KIDDING, I'm not really stepping down as CEO of twitter, I just wanted to stop my Tesla stock from tanking for the week.
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  6. #2786
    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    Elon on Friday: JUST KIDDING, I'm not really stepping down as CEO of twitter, I just wanted to stop my Tesla stock from tanking for the week.
    SEC on Friday: Interesting...tell us more, Mr. Musk.

  7. #2787
    Quote Originally Posted by Elder Millennial View Post
    I'm assuming you're talking about South Dakota and Sioux Falls then.
    I suggest you move here and show us all how it's done.

    When you realize you're being ignored by just about everyone don't go away mad. Just go away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I suggest you move here and show us all how it's done.

    When you realize you're being ignored by just about everyone don't go away mad. Just go away.
    Now you're just going full -It sucks, but don't try to use reason on me, I'm doubling down and keep making it worse.

    OK.

    Anyway. Obvious viable solutions and alternatives exist.

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  9. #2789
    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    SEC on Friday: Interesting...tell us more, Mr. Musk.
    I don't think you can count on the SEC for anything but a very light fine which is why rich people like Musk don't take them seriously.

  10. #2790
    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    Ah shit. I hoped twitter would go away completely, without Elmo someone else might get it back running better.
    I find it incredibly funny that he still insists on running any team, let alone a "software and servers" team, despite having shown multiple times that he has no fucking clue about IT in the first place. Maybe he can devalue Tesla another 20% before he finds it in himself to step down..
    You are welcome, Metzen. I hope you won't fuck up my underground expansion idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    "As soon as I find someone foolish enough to take the job".

    I kinda doubt he is in much of a hurry to find a replacement. But who knows, maybe he just can't take the heat anymore.
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  12. #2792
    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    It's not that terrible actually. NAIT's array showed that the worst angle they used (14 degrees) produced 86% as much summer power as the optimal 53 degrees (=latitude).

    And the roof of that car isn't flat either, so the 14 degrees figure is probably about right for this car.

    And this figures can decently be considered near-worst case, as you don't get major population centers that much further north and anywhere south will loose less generation due to poor angle.
    Even all other things being ignored, that's still 14% more energy that could be produced basically for free just by placing the same solar panels on your roof and charging your normal electric car.

    It gets even worse whan you consider that many parking lots will be shaded by buildings/trees, and facing the panels any direction but south (north in the southern hemisphere) will further reduce efficiency. Take that same solar panel and put it on a 2-axis tracker and your energy yield can jump by 30-40% (Source).

    Furthermore, by powering the grid as a whole rather than just a single car, there are other advantages such as more ideal locations, better energy storage, etc.

    Putting solar panels on cars, roads and the like would work great under different circumstances, such as if solar panels were abundant but places to put them were not. Solar cars could have practical applications for professions and locations where access to fuel/power is unlikely. But for standard uses, I do not see how things like solar cars are an efficient use of resources.

  13. #2793
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    The US is simply too big and too wide open for that, the only places that Public Transportation works, is in the big cities with buses and subways/trains. I live in a small ass town in the middle of the Midwest, we don't even have Ubers/Lyfts here because it wouldn't be worth it.
    Last time I was in the US, in LA (Orange County specifically I think), I checked out the bus system to see if I could get around with that. Pretty much no fucking chance. You buy a ticket, go like 3 blocks, walk a block to the next bus, find it's a different company, buy a NEW ticket, go another 2 blocks, get on a train for 3 steps (another new ticket), get on a new bus etc. You needed to use a journey planner to even figure out how to get anywhere because the routes made no sense and involved like 6 switches.

  14. #2794
    Don't you guys have a public transportation or even an EV or Tesla thread to talk about this stuff? This is the Elon does dumb stuff thread.

  15. #2795
    Quote Originally Posted by ArcanaXVIII View Post
    Don't you guys have a public transportation or even an EV or Tesla thread to talk about this stuff? This is the Elon does dumb stuff thread.
    Yeah it's kind of off-topic - but yes this thread should be probably be renamed to the 'Elon Musk Megathread'

  16. #2796
    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    Elon on Friday: JUST KIDDING, I'm not really stepping down as CEO of twitter, I just wanted to stop my Tesla stock from tanking for the week.
    Well, if that was the plan it doesn't seem to be working that well.

    Yesterday I noticed that Tesla had almost dropped to 137$ which was close to just a third of the top-price (407$) so I was going to check if Tesla had dropped below 135$ today, and it was below 129$...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    Well, if that was the plan it doesn't seem to be working that well.

    Yesterday I noticed that Tesla had almost dropped to 137$ which was close to just a third of the top-price (407$) so I was going to check if Tesla had dropped below 135$ today, and it was below 129$...
    At the rate it's going today, it'll be under 125 by closing. Somehow I don't think Elon stepping away from being CEO at Twitter will really do much.

    Well, it's already under 125... And dropping.

    Can we make it to sub 120!
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  18. #2798
    https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/s...41207109939201

    Welp, that PS3 hackerman who was going to save Twitter by fixing search as an intern has quit after a few weeks.

    Everything seems to be going swimmingly under Elom.

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    PS3 Hacker Hired To Fix Twitter By Elon Musk Just Quit, Yikes

    George Hotz barely lasted one month before announcing his resignation on Twitter

    https://kotaku.com/elon-musk-twitter...uit-1849923347

    Ha!

  20. #2800
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/s...41207109939201

    Welp, that PS3 hackerman who was going to save Twitter by fixing search as an intern has quit after a few weeks.

    Everything seems to be going swimmingly under Elom.
    It finally dawned on him that the problem with Twitter is not engineering related. It's not the codes. It's the owner. There is no fixing that.

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    From WSJ.

    Elon Musk’s Campaign to Win Back Twitter Advertisers Isn’t Going Well

    Since taking over Twitter Inc., Elon Musk has rapidly made big changes, laying off employees, tweaking posting rules and suspending and reinstating accounts.

    There’s one group he has struggled to manage, one that’s vital to the company’s future: advertisers.

    About 70% of Twitter’s top 100 ad spenders from before Mr. Musk’s takeover weren’t spending on the platform as of the week ending Dec. 18, according to an analysis of data from research firm Pathmatics. It’s a problem the billionaire can’t afford to ignore, since roughly 89% of Twitter’s $5.1 billion in revenue last year came from ads.

    In meetings with advertisers in recent weeks, Mr. Musk’s lieutenants have tried to calm fears and drum up interest in the site. They’ve promised innovations such as ads that allow users to make purchases directly, more video capabilities and tools to keep ads from appearing near objectionable content, according to ad executives familiar with the meetings.

    Some ad buyers said they will need to see changes at Twitter before they feel comfortable returning. Advertisers say they are concerned about Mr. Musk’s moves as owner and CEO, including his abrupt rule-making and controversial tweets. Just as it can be hard to separate the art from the artist, many advertisers are struggling to separate Twitter from Mr. Musk.

    “He has made it so that advertisers can’t avoid the association. He created that vulnerability and he continues to double down on it,” said Irwin Gotlieb, a former chief executive of ad-buying giant GroupM.

    Twitter and Mr. Musk didn’t respond to requests for comment.

    Mr. Musk has said he plans to step down as Twitter CEO based on the results of a Twitter poll he launched last weekend. That raises the prospect he could put some distance between himself and the company, though a new CEO would report to him as the owner.

    Speaking Tuesday on Twitter Spaces, the platform’s live-audio service, Mr. Musk said advertisers have told him they want a healthy return on investment. “Their requests are not fuzzy or irrational or anything. They’re like, quite reasonable,” he said, adding that when economic times are tough, advertisers ask hard questions.

    Mr. Musk and his lieutenants have a lot of ground to make up on Madison Avenue. The list of advertising defectors includes United Airlines Holdings Inc., General Mills Inc., General Motors Co., and Pfizer Inc. Several large ad agencies said the majority of their clients have halted spending.

    Mr. Musk says he wants to lower Twitter’s reliance on ad dollars and build a robust subscription business around an $8-a-month paid verification plan, or $11 a month for those who subscribe from an Apple Inc. mobile device. Meanwhile, he and his team haven’t given up on bringing advertisers back.

    Twitter sales executives alerted some marketers on Dec. 14 that Mr. Musk would soon be calling the chief executives of top advertisers that have paused their ad spending, according to an email reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. Mr. Musk, the email said, “wants to ask what Twitter can do to be helpful.”

    Publicly, Mr. Musk has sometimes taken a combative tone with advertisers, at one point threatening to “thermonuclear name & shame” advertisers who had left.


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    It's the Daily Mail. So not sure about the reliability.

    'You're a jackass!' Moment Chief Twit Elon Musk loses his cool when asked software engineering question during Twitter Space

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