Elon Musk Buys Twitter

[unfilteredJW]

Artisinal mining is something right out of The Onion.

[Edge-]

Artisinal mining is something right out of The Onion.

"We're providing jobs for budding young artisans and entrepreneurs, without us poverty would be way more extreme and they should really just be thankful they get paid anything at all."

[Shadowferal]

New emergency bid to appeal, block huge Nevada lithium mine

I've been having doubts about EVs for a while now...and they keep growing.

[s_bushido]

New emergency bid to appeal, block huge Nevada lithium mine

I've been having doubts about EVs for a while now...and they keep growing.

You can doubt all you like…but it’s unlikely that we’ll find a way to power society without doing some damage to the environment any time soon. It’s just a matter of how much damage and how expensive it will end up being.

[Shadowferal]

You can doubt all you like…but it’s unlikely that we’ll find a way to power society without doing some damage to the environment any time soon. It’s just a matter of how much damage and how expensive it will end up being.

It's not just the environment now is it? Handwaving clean water and air...and the torturous deaths due to cobalt mining...and we can't/won't do better?

[Nymrohd]

It's not just the environment now is it? Handwaving clean water and air...and the torturous deaths due to cobalt mining...and we can't/won't do better?

There is a reason most rare earths are mined in third world countries. It's not that there are no deposits in developed countries. They are mined there because the cost is nonexistent due to the horrid working conditions and almost no care is taken for the massive environmental damage done locally from mining them.

They could ofc be mined with developed country standards but then they'd cost an order of magnitude more and we can't have that.

[Shadowferal]

Child slave labor and their resultant early deaths...not taking into account the slave labor in general and the torture of simply living.

[XDurionX]

[Edge-]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/com...erman_tv_show/

So I'm going off of this thread as I don't speak German.

But is Elon banning German media to suppress reporting on Russia abducting Ukrainian children?

It's his show now, he dictates policy, he's responsible, he wants to make it a freeze peach platform because it's apparently important to the literal future of humanity.

Why is he protecting what appear to be child traffickers?

[Orange Joe]

It's not just the environment now is it? Handwaving clean water and air...and the torturous deaths due to cobalt mining...and we can't/won't do better?

Cause oil is better? Are you forgetting/ignoring the disasters that have happened with oil?

[The Stormbringer]

You can doubt all you like…but it’s unlikely that we’ll find a way to power society without doing some damage to the environment any time soon. It’s just a matter of how much damage and how expensive it will end up being.

We have far better options. Battery industries just don't want to pay the cost needed to switch over from lithium. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium-ion_battery
Sodium-ion batteries would be considerably cheaper and easier to produce in the long run, but you have to entirely retool your factories and supply chains to get it. Corpos don't wanna do that, as it'll cost them billions and billions, even if it's far superior long term.

[Twdft]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/com...erman_tv_show/

So I'm going off of this thread as I don't speak German.

But is Elon banning German media to suppress reporting on Russia abducting Ukrainian children?

ZDF is public TV, Frontal is one of its investigative political shows.
Here's the report that somehow got Musk mad. No subtitles, not even in German, I guess the €18.36 I have to pay every month is not enough for subs...

[Shadowferal]

Cause oil is better? Are you forgetting/ignoring the disasters that have happened with oil?

Not one bit, and I think you know that.
Just as I know you will never endorse child-slave labor and their deaths for any reason.
I've always had two lines drawn; children, and the environment. Now it's one or the other?

[SoulForge]

We have far better options. Battery industries just don't want to pay the cost needed to switch over from lithium. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium-ion_battery
Sodium-ion batteries would be considerably cheaper and easier to produce in the long run, but you have to entirely retool your factories and supply chains to get it. Corpos don't wanna do that, as it'll cost them billions and billions, even if it's far superior long term.

Not the only option either. There have been multiple advancements made in battery technology. Retooling and getting mass manufacturing up to speed is costly. Like standing up a new fab is for chips. Until someone makes the first move (like Apple maybe moving battery tech to something else) then we will be stuck.

[Taifuu]

Stay civil during discussion.

If debate breaks down, you don't need to obsessively reply to each other. You can move on. No petty remarks and no cyclical arguments for arguing's sake needed.

Once replies begin to focus on a poster and not the thread, it's a good sign to take a breather. So let's go back to discussing the topic.

I see you have time to comment on the discussion taking place, but no time to take action against an obviously bad faith poster. Hard to imagine why they get to keep derailing threads all the time.

[Orange Joe]

Not one bit, and I think you know that.
Just as I know you will never endorse child-slave labor and their deaths for any reason.
I've always had two lines drawn; children, and the environment. Now it's one or the other?

Just to confirm, you are suggesting we never harvest this stuff because 3rd world counties don't have regulations to prevent exploitation? There is no other solution except just not mining it?

[Rasulis]

So...Musk and lithium mining, sounds safe enough. But it's the cobalt mining that should bite us all in the ass; ‘Here, it is better not to be born’: Cobalt mining for Big Tech is driving child labor, deaths in the Congo

The “quaint” moniker of artisanal mining, Mr Kara points out, belies a brutal industry where hundreds of thousands of men, women and children dig with bare hands and basic tools in toxic, perilous pits, eking out an existence on the bottom rung of the global supply chain.

The miners are the first step in the race for precious metals and minerals by some of the world’s most powerful companies, with multibillion-dollar valuations and whose founders and CEOs are household names.

If you own a smartphone, tablet, laptop, e-scooter, electric vehicle (or all of the above), then it is a system in which you are unwittingly complicit.

"At no point in human history has so much suffering generated so much profit and been directly linked to the lives of billions of people around the world,” Mr Kara writes in the book.

Around 75 per cent of the world’s cobalt is mined in the DRC -- and the world cannot get enough of it. The rare, silvery metal is an essential component to every lithium-ion rechargeable battery, a necessary part of the booming electric vehicle (EV) industry.

The DRC’s industrial mines are typically structured as joint ventures between the national government and foreign operators, for the most part Chinese companies. China produces three-quarters of the world’s refined cobalt, the keys to the kingdom in the battery market.

"Cobalt mining is the slave farm perfected,” Mr Kara writes.

Cobalt is toxic to touch and breathe in, and can be found alongside traces of radioactive uranium. Cancers, respiratory illnesses, miscarriages, headaches and painful skin conditions occur among adults who work without protective equipment....

...more in that link, but it's just misery² Mr Optimism's better future in the Congo is a quick death for children.

Interestingly enough, Tesla is moving its Global Engineering HQ from Austin to Palo Alto. A bit of an irony, it will be located in the former Hewlett Packard HQ. Supposedly, Tesla was having problem hiring high caliber engineers in Austin. Especially those with AI expertise. Or California gave him a better tax break than Texas. I kind of doubt that.

Looking at the endless list of Tesla job openings in Palo Alto, there are lots and lots openings in their Navigation and Robotic division.

In comparison, there is one single job opening in Tesla Navigation and Robotic division in the entire state of Texas.

[Shadowferal]

Just to confirm, you are suggesting we never harvest this stuff because 3rd world counties don't have regulations to prevent exploitation? There is no other solution except just not mining it?

I'm saying there needs to be a better way than killing children.
Or to use your tactic; are you in so much favor of taking advantage of 3rd world countries, and exploitation of child and slave labor?

The silence is deafening from 1st world countries. And I'm certain it's because there's not much that can be done that won't result in one big frustrating geopolitical mess.

[Orange Joe]

I'm saying there needs to be a better way than killing children.
Or to use your tactic; are you in so much favor of taking advantage of 3rd world countries, and exploitation of child and slave labor?

The silence is deafening from 1st world countries. And I'm certain it's because there's not much that can be done that won't result in one big frustrating geopolitical mess.

Well you are making broad statements like EV's are bad, when the truth Ev's are fine. deregulation/unregulated is bad.

[Rasulis]

Well you are making broad statements like EV's are bad, when the truth Ev's are fine. deregulation/unregulated is bad.

I think we need to be specific. Cobalt mining by itself is not bad. It is just like any other mining operations for precious resources. Cobalt mining the way it is done in DRC is bad.

The US has growing cobalt mining and processing operations in Alaska, Idaho, Montana and California. They are high-tech operations. Nothing at all like DRC.

The same with the operations in Canada and Australia.

Keep in mind the US is a late comer into cobalt mining and refining. There are lots of cobalt deposits in North America. North American miners just never actually gone looking for cobalt until recently. The US also did not start refining cobalt until 2014.