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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    It's not about who has the most original ideas. It's about who executes them better.
    Pretty much. Some of the most popular products on the market throughout US history weren't the originals, they just iterated better than their creators.

    Ten bucks says Elom is going to try to get Zuck bogged down in some giant court case about copyright infringement on twitter. Because nothing says Elon Musk like taking someone else's invention, claiming it's your own, and then bogging down competitors in copyright lawsuits til they fold due to heavy legal fees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    Ten bucks says Elom is going to try to get Zuck bogged down
    I hope you're right, because it's a legal battle he can't possibly win. Nobody has the copyright on "use the internet to message people" etc.

    Incidentally, apparently Musk heard about Bannon calling him owned by the Chinese Communist Party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    It's not about who has the most original ideas. It's about who executes them better.
    This applies to so much shit in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Edison's first useful invention was the Quadruplex Telegraph. Diplex and Duplex systems already existed but Edison managed to improve the idea. After getting payed for this device he established Menlo Park. Anything invented afterwards could arguably be attributed to his employees.
    Arguably, although I would note that even setting up a dedicated industrial research facility was in fact groundbreaking. In that way, he did not merely "hog" other inventions, he paved the way for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Arguably, although I would note that even setting up a dedicated industrial research facility was in fact groundbreaking. In that way, he did not merely "hog" other inventions, he paved the way for them.
    As I said above, there's a difference between usefully appraising the work of others and being a raging dickhead about it. Edison (and Musk) were definitely the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    Yep. He is worried. Twitter won't be the first company bankrupted by Facebook. Citizen Zuck may look like a dork. However, he is a ruthless dork.
    He's also competent, unlike Musk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Arguably, although I would note that even setting up a dedicated industrial research facility was in fact groundbreaking. In that way, he did not merely "hog" other inventions, he paved the way for them.
    He patented everything that came out of those research facilities and oftentimes screwed the inventors out of pay. The only thing groundbreaking was the amount of greed and abuse of the patent system done by Edison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drutt View Post
    He's also competent, unlike Musk.
    Eh, idk about that, he's kind of a miss in recent years, his metaverse is a huge money furnace with hilarious results. If anything, he'll burn some billions on a twitter competitor as well.

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    Did Elon Musk buy Reddit? Because it's down for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fwc577 View Post
    Did Elon Musk buy Reddit? Because it's down for me.
    Down for everyone for about 3 hours now.

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    https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ia-1234697898/

    Shit, Elom is getting outplayed by other social media companies!

    FIGHTING TO SURVIVE in the crowded ecosystem of far-right social media companies, the pro-Trump platform Gettr has in recent weeks held high-level deliberations on the oddest of business pivots: remaking the site to add an online clearinghouse for human sperm.

    But it’s not just any sperm. The proposal would see the company expand to include a marketplace for semen from men who haven’t taken any of the vaccines against Covid-19.

    Three sources familiar with the matter, and a fourth briefed on the situation, describe serious, repeated discussions about creating the online anti-vax semen market, in which unvaccinated men would self-advertise and sell sperm to the highest bidder. Two of the sources say stakeholders have gone so far as to explore possible “testing requirements” to ensure specimens came from unvaccinated donors.

    Some staff have also expressed skepticism internally about the feasibility of the plan, noting restrictions of semen sales in other countries and other hurdles. All four sources spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe these deliberations, with one adding that “it’s just so embarrassing, man.
    Or maybe not. This might be a cautionary tale for how much worse it could be given the world of right-wing grifters.

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    https://www.techdirt.com/2023/03/15/...1st-amendment/

    I won't quote any of this because it includes a lot of quotes within and honestly that's kinda annoying to format.

    TLDR: Those "coercive" government emails that Republicans keep saying violate the First Amendment? Yeah, they absolutely do not and now we've got a ruling to back that up.

    @tehdang I'd be curious for your take on this. This largely seems to validate the arguments myself and others have been making throughout this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    @tehdang I'd be curious for your take on this. This largely seems to validate the arguments myself and others have been making throughout this thread.
    I'm sure it'll be along the lines of "It's clear the government bribed those courts to do it, it's just another leftist plot."

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    https://www.businessinsider.com/elon...ices-eu-2023-3

    In which Elom is faced with the difficulties of running a global social media company that needs to be in compliance with various international laws, and is running afoul of those laws having laid off all the compliance teams at Twitter.

    Ooph, who know running a social media company could be so hard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.techdirt.com/2023/03/15/...1st-amendment/

    I won't quote any of this because it includes a lot of quotes within and honestly that's kinda annoying to format.

    TLDR: Those "coercive" government emails that Republicans keep saying violate the First Amendment? Yeah, they absolutely do not and now we've got a ruling to back that up.

    @tehdang I'd be curious for your take on this. This largely seems to validate the arguments myself and others have been making throughout this thread.
    I wouldn't be surprised if the next argument/excuse is that it violates the spirit of the First Amendment or something. Either that or the old reliable of blaming activist judges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if the next argument/excuse is that it violates the spirit of the First Amendment or something. Either that or the old reliable of blaming activist judges.
    The Judge makes some good points about how not all government speech is speech to compel, and how just because the interests of the government and a private entity align doesn't mean that the private entity is de-facto carrying out the orders of the government. Just that the two happy to coincidentally align in a happy little accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if the next argument/excuse is that it violates the spirit of the First Amendment
    If so, they can suck the spirit of my dick.

    Trump should already know that approach won't work. He lost the Caroll defamation case on this, and he lost the NAACP case on this. Both are being appealled but he still knows that "a government official said it, therefore, it's government speech" hasn't worked yet.

    Furthermore, judges (especially appeals court judges) aren't really in a situation where "he didn't break the letter of the law, but he broke the spirit of the law, so we find him guilty" really works. Otherwise running a green light would be a crime, because you went through an intersection without stopping, which is what a red light prevents. Or, it could invalidate self defense. "I understand you killed the man trying to burn you and your family to death, and the evidence against the dead guy is uncontested. But you still killed someone without asking them first, which is the spirit of murder, so I'm going to give you 40 to life for protecting your family, your home, and yourself."

    Considering Twitter told the FBI "no" at least once, and wasn't shut down/taxed into nothingness/sold off to Elon Musk as scrap oh shit that one happened/employees weren't arrested, this was not a First Amendment case. They pressed the Report Post button, and because Trump was breaking the rules, Twitter blocked him.

    Yes, they might try it. I mean, look at what Team Trump has already tried. They might try arguing that Twitter is a foreign asset and silencing him was an act of war, for all I know. Trump's crazy and his lawyers are incompetent. But they'll be even more deplorable for trying, and it had better not work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.techdirt.com/2023/03/15/...1st-amendment/

    I won't quote any of this because it includes a lot of quotes within and honestly that's kinda annoying to format.

    TLDR: Those "coercive" government emails that Republicans keep saying violate the First Amendment? Yeah, they absolutely do not and now we've got a ruling to back that up.

    @tehdang I'd be curious for your take on this. This largely seems to validate the arguments myself and others have been making throughout this thread.
    If you'll look back on my posts on the issue, I didn't make the case that Twitter's actions violated the constitution. Your link really seems focused on that potential aspect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    If you'll look back on my posts on the issue, I didn't make the case that Twitter's actions violated the constitution. Your link really seems focused on that potential aspect.
    I mean, they seem to fairly clearly line up with what the judges describe as standard communications between a government body and private entity though, which is my point. Not potentially coercive or having any implication of an order to them, simply routine emails from one professional to another.

    That's what I'm getting at, which has been my contention this whole time that you've continually argued against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I mean, they seem to fairly clearly line up with what the judges describe as ...
    Judges view the actions in contrast to possible legal violations. I don't afford them particular insight into concerning but not illegal or touching on illegal action. I don't generally afford judges (as a class) particular insight into cultural or political issues involving ordinary citizens, tech companies, and the government. I'm rather taking this to be an appeal to authority.
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