1. #3921
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    this months fake bullshit.
    Absolutely "mother of the year" material folks. Did you end your support for your gay daughter as well this month? I would laugh for the unironic confirmation of your bigotry if not for the fact that it would come at the expense of her well being.

    This is a perfect example showing how kids suffer under these types of parent(s). They can't even support their own family, yet have plenty of time to come on here and bend the knee to Matt fucking Walsh.

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    https://newrepublic.com/post/173249/...-twitter-space

    So it seems like RFK Jr's "Twitter Space" mostly went as Ron's did - no real policy talk or much discussion of his own platform, but a lot of time spent giving Elon a digital rimjob because I guess every conservative just wants to suck that ass super bad right now.

  3. #3923
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    People are always so quick to resort to ad hominem attacks. It’s why both sides will never meet in the middle to find compromise because they’re too busy attacking each other.

    America is a sad place now…
    Wait wait, I have the perfect political cartoon for this I just need to find it.

  4. #3924
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Definitely understandable. I have just never liked these months where companies use it as an opportunity to make money.
    You must loathe Christmas.
    “There you stand, the good man doing nothing. And while evil triumphs, and your rigid pacifism crumbles to blood stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns.”

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    So some reporting on how the RFK Jr. shit went -

    https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/...87656226078723

    RFK waxed poetic about the time he spend camping in East Africa when he was 19. With Roger Ailes. Weird.

    https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/...88669481852929

    Elon trying to frame, "Nobody wants to advertise on this shitty Nazi platform" as an attack on Freeze Peach - which Elon repeatedly admits even he doesn't believe in as he's happy to compromise his "Freeze Peach Absolutism" to keep the platform active in some countries. This is a huge, hilarious self-own and it's the best. Fuckin loser. Maybe don't unban all the Nazis

    https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/...91257363337217

    Apparently RFK thinks Musk is some kind of Revolutionary War soldier or something rofl.

    https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/...93355568013313

    Weirdly went onto the topic of AI and neuralink and shit and RFK asks what the plan is for "surplus humans" once AI takes over more jobs? rofl, dude's IQ seems to be about that of room temperature bread in Sweden in the dead of winter.

    https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/...98424640331781

    And Tulsi Gabbard showed up because only right wingers like her anymore.

    https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/...14595150200832

    So much of the 2024 Election is going to be people in power hoping everyone has zero memory of what actually happened between the years of 2015 and 2021. And it might work!
    This is the single most accurate comment I've seen on this upcoming election and we're already seeing some of this in these forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    People are always so quick to resort to ad hominem attacks. It’s why both sides will never meet in the middle to find compromise because they’re too busy attacking each other.

    America is a sad place now…
    You don't compromise with fucking fascists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Sounds more like you support companies marketing and benefiting off Pride Month, rather than the meaning itself. It’s fake support, as I said.
    "The meaning of Pride Month", huh?

    Pride Month is a crystallization of current pushes for equality as well as a commemoration of past gains and those who fought for them. It used to be the case that corporations wouldn't do any form of business with queer people, let alone openly market towards them for at least a month out of the year. The latter is a bare minimum signal that a business will at least take your money, and the fact that so many businesses can't accomplish even that is indicative of the continued need for Pride both as a visibility protest and a celebration of what progress has been achieved. Economics is in no way separate from politics, and while Rainbow Capitalism has its flaws and it is just one component of the campaign for socioeconomic equality.

    I'd suggest learning a little history before trying to hetsplain to us what Pride Month "actually" means.
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    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

  8. #3928
    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    You really are just mask off awful now.
    lol are you guys just now seriously seeing it? I mean, I thought we all discovered this back in 2020-21 when they were bitching about how they were "done" following COVID protocols because it's just so hard--for the children! Meanwhile millions of kids with good parents did just fine and dandy.

    Pretty sure they'd be welcome on Twitter with their bullshit. Elon might give them an honorary useless blue check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Honestly, I’m over every topic that needs a month of celebration. We need to move on from this stupid shit.
    Until the LGBTQ+ community is no longer under attack, Pride Month serves a very important purpose.
    Princesses can kill knights to rescue dragons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    lol are you guys just now seriously seeing it? I mean, I thought we all discovered this back in 2020-21 when they were bitching about how they were "done" following COVID protocols because it's just so hard--for the children! Meanwhile millions of kids with good parents did just fine and dandy.

    Pretty sure they'd be welcome on Twitter with their bullshit. Elon might give them an honorary useless blue check.
    Oh I know but I'm a sucker for giving people the benefit of the doubt. Crazy mom stance doesn't equal bigot but now, yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    It’s less about me and more about companies that also don’t want to partake in the bullshit - "You have to show support each month, else you’re a bigot and will get cancelled!”.

    Yeah, fuck off, I’d just want to sell my products and not engage in politics and social issues. Not advertising is better than the fallout of advertising.
    Unfortunately, you (and they) live in a society. You don't have a choice about whether to engage on politics and social issues. You're engaging automatically when you have any public presence. Refusal to involve yourself on certain issues will, rightly, be seen as you either not supporting that issue, or not believing the issue deserves your support. Silence is itself a position, one defined entirely by your own privilege. Especially on issues like support for the LGBT community, who are under direct attack.

    Your position is no different than those who openly questioned why anyone wanted them to express their stance on the "Jewish Question" in the '30s, and just wanted society to keep turning back boatloads of Jewish refugees to the Reich they had fled. And the death camps that awaited them. That's not "not having a stance", that's being openly anti-semitic. Same deal here; if you can't/won't support Pride, you're a homophobe. It's a binary question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    People are always so quick to resort to ad hominem attacks. It’s why both sides will never meet in the middle to find compromise because they’re too busy attacking each other.

    America is a sad place now…
    So, just this attitude, then;



    There is no "compromise" on issues like civil rights. You either support them, or you're a bigot who's trying to "protect" their right to abuse and harm people of a certain subgroup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Don’t confuse my lack of support for "support months" as homophobia — it’s absolutely not. I’m equally against every support month, of any kind.
    "I hate and denigrate a lot of groups of people" isn't a defense, it's just a statement that your hatemongering is broader than most.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    When a business has to participate in a support month else they’ll be seen as being against that community, we have a damn problem and it isn’t me.
    We do have a problem; that being that there's still sufficiently widespread economic discrimination against queer people that a company cannot be assumed to be treating people equitably if they don't do the bare minimum of engaging in Pride marketing.

    You’re exactly why I hate this shit. I said that I think they’re all bullshit, military month included, and I’m the bigoted asshole.
    3edgy5me, sis. And no, the bigotry shows through when you make statements like this:

    It’s why the Bud Light shit backfired so hard. People just want to drink fucking beer.
    "I want to be able to live my life without acknowledging that queer people exist and are just as worthy of being marketed towards as myself" is a bigoted statement.

    Youre seriously delusional if you don’t think that these support icons/badges/banners from companies aren’t anything more than an opportunity for them to bring in more customers by showing that they’re more inclusive.
    You've yet to explain why this is an issue.
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    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Have a day. Nothing needs a month.
    If your problem is with commercialization then the duration shouldn't really make a difference. What you actually mean is you find queer visibility annoying.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

  14. #3934
    Feel like we're getting derailed here with a completely different topic not related to Elon Musk spending $44B for the privilege of driving the company into the dirt in under a year because he's made it the toxic, alt-right cesspool that have made other ventures like Gettr, Truth Social, Gab, and Frank small, largely not very profitable tech ventures that couldn't keep up the grift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I want to drink a beer without political statements and social issues on the bottle. Plain and simple.

    I’m all for showing support but it can go too far.
    Holy fuckin shit sorry to get off topic but you know it was literally just one can for an influencer that caused The Great Bud Light Triggering of 2023, right?

  15. #3935
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Have a day. Nothing needs a month.
    Have an hour; nothing needs a day.

    Does that simple restatement demonstrate how ridiculous your position is or do you need even more things explicitly spelled out for you? Of course, you referred to Pride Month as "stupid shit", so I'm betting there aren't enough monosyllabic words in the English language to penetrate that level of oblivious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    When a business has to participate in a support month else they’ll be seen as being against that community, we have a damn problem and it isn’t me.
    Incorrect. A refusal to state your support is itself a statement about your lack of support. It'd be one thing if you were just caught out unaware of the event, but to refuse to support it once you've been made aware, that's a statement of your lack of support.

    You’re exactly why I hate this shit. I said that I think they’re all bullshit, military month included, and I’m the bigoted asshole.
    You're the one who's decided you don't support the LGBT community. But fie on me for noticing that, I guess.

    Youre seriously delusional if you don’t think that these support icons/badges/banners from companies aren’t anything more than an opportunity for them to bring in more customers by showing that they’re more inclusive.
    Of course it's mostly performative nonsense. Support is a trivial request; it garners some goodwill for very little cost. That's all pretty much a straight positive for a business.

    Which is why an intentional lack of such support sends such a message. It's literally the least that could be expected, and choosing to snub it is a statement in and of itself. This isn't a difficult concept, you just don't want to face the consequences of your own choices.

    It’s why the Bud Light shit backfired so hard. People just want to drink fucking beer.
    The only people the Dylan Mulvaney thing "backfired" on were transphobes who got super fuckin' upset that Bud Light was willing to work with a transgender person. That's literally all they were angry about. If that made you angry, that's just transphobia and there's literally no other explanation.

    I probably wouldn't have even heard of it if it weren't for the transphobes losing their shit over it. Their kneejerk bigotry shone a much bigger light on all this than it would ever have had if they'd just kept it to themselves.

    And sure; they may be losing sales, due to the number of transphobes out there who've decided to make an issue of it. But that's a condemnation of their customer base, not a criticism of their collaboration with Mulvaney.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I want to drink a beer without political statements and social issues on the bottle. Plain and simple.
    What a coincidence, queer people also want to be able to engage in social and economic activity as their authentic selves without having to make the case for their basic human dignity.

    The fact we can't do that is why we need Pride. Sorry that hearing about other people's struggle is so burdensome.

    I’m all for showing support but it can go too far.
    And again, you've yet to explain what constitutes "too far" and why "going too far" is a problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

  18. #3938
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Feel like we're getting derailed here with a completely different topic not related to Elon Musk spending $44B for the privilege of driving the company into the dirt in under a year because he's made it the toxic, alt-right cesspool that have made other ventures like Gettr, Truth Social, Gab, and Frank small, largely not very profitable tech ventures that couldn't keep up the grift.
    Given that all of their opinions could have been lifted from the various MAGA Tweets on the subject I don't think it's too far off-topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I want to drink a beer without political statements and social issues on the bottle. Plain and simple.

    I’m all for showing support but it can go too far.
    Do you blow a gasket when there's a cis woman promoting your favorite beverage of choice? No? There's a word for why you feel this is different then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Holy fuckin shit sorry to get off topic but you know it was literally just one can for an influencer that caused The Great Bud Light Triggering of 2023, right?
    I think they sent Mulvaney a six-pack of the special cans. But yeah. Never on store shelves. What got people angry was literally just that Bud Light dared to collaborate with a transgender person. There was never a chance Winter Blossom would've seen these cans while buying beer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I think they sent Mulvaney a six-pack of the special cans. But yeah. Never on store shelves. What got people angry was literally just that Bud Light dared to collaborate with a transgender person. There was never a chance Winter Blossom would've seen these cans while buying beer.
    Pretty much; and on the subject of social media like Twitter and Facebook, a lot of right wing people aren't considering the fact that by virtue of the algorithm they're being deliberately overexposed to content about LGBTQ issues as a way to keep them enraged and engaged. For instance:



    So any claim about Pride "going too far" needs to be taken with a grain of salt, and the claimant also needs to be questioned as to exactly what they're doing on social media that would cause the algorithm to flood their feed with outrage content.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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