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[Ivanstone]

the right has sprinted to full Hitler status, minus the genocide

Immigrant family separation counts as genocide.

The forced hysterectomies are similar to what Hitler wanted for Poland.

[Kathranis]

It’s why both sides will never meet in the middle to find compromise because they’re too busy attacking each other.

Four decades of compromise is precisely why America has slid so far.

I'll never understand why so many people spout off all this anti-corporate, anti-consumerism shit and then turn around and support Conservatives.

I prefer this one, personally...

Except this is absolutely horseshit, especially if you're an American. Just shows how utterly ignorant you are of politics. The vast majority of Democrats in office are right wing neoliberals and are only marginally to the left of moderate Republicans. Some Democrats like Joe Manchin are even to the Right of some moderate Republicans on economic issues.

This is a bit old, but here's the actual Overton Window for the USA in 2016. It's actually shifted further right since then:



Of course leave it to an enlightened centrist to boil down all politics to some culture war bullshit like "they put a queer person on a beer can or whatever and now my pee pee feels funny so I'm gonna shoot it with my shotgun."

[Milchshake]

Winter Blossom Awareness Month. I second this proposal.

Pour one out for Vegas82. He called it months ago.

[tehdang]

I prefer this one, personally...

Well they’re certainly doing a speed-run of crying bigotry and asserting that you’re a bad mom for *checks notes* thinking pride month is a corporatized mess that has lost its purpose.

Interesting that nobody said the ad hominem was inappropriate or went too far that also disagreed with you. Really stellar work showing centrists that they’re not allowed to exhibit dissenting opinions on a commercialized celebratory month-long event. The picture is faulty for not showing them physically pushing you away.

[HeatBlast]

Well they’re certainly doing a speed-run of crying bigotry and asserting that you’re a bad mom for *checks notes* thinking pride month is a corporatized mess that has lost its purpose.

Interesting that nobody said the ad hominem was inappropriate or went too far that also disagreed with you. Really stellar work showing centrists that they’re not allowed to exhibit dissenting opinions on a commercialized celebratory month-long event. The picture is faulty for not showing them physically pushing you away.

Clueless takes for 200, alex, where does supporting a convicted sex offender fall on this imaginary scale?

[Benggaul]

Ah good, the troll has come in support of the "enlightened centrist", as is tradition.

[Elegiac]

Well they’re certainly doing a speed-run of crying bigotry and asserting that you’re a bad mom for *checks notes* thinking pride month is a corporatized mess that has lost its purpose.

Except she didn't just say that.

Honestly, I’m over every topic that needs a month of celebration. We need to move on from this stupid shit.

Of course not, but when every damn month is celebrating a whole month of something, it becomes pretty fucking stupid, and I’m not surprised that companies are starting to stop. I don’t wanna celebrate every damn thing, and I surely don’t wanna feel bad for not advertising that I’m supporting this months fake bullshit.

Yeah, fuck off, I’d just want to sell my products and not engage in politics and social issues.

Have a day. Nothing needs a month.

I want to drink a beer without political statements and social issues on the bottle. Plain and simple.

"Pride is a corporatized mess that has lost its purpose" is a motte and bailey argument wherein complaining about commercialization is a fig leaf for the actual complaint about queer visibility. Which is exceedingly obvious when the argument is paired with very blatant dogwhistles like the above.

It'd be tedious if it weren't just so funny how you lot think you're being subtle with your bigotry when you're just rehashing the same shit we've had to listen to for more than half a century.

[tehdang]

Clueless takes for 200, alex

Please re-read the posts in the thread if you missed them, and tell me if you agree that someone cannot be supportive of the message of Pride month while thinking it would be better off as a day or weekend or whatever. Take as much time as you need. You weren't the most virulently against having the idea, but certainly you're capable of reading how hard others came after the disagreement.

Ah good, the troll has come in support of the "enlightened centrist", as is tradition.

You said "nobody is forcing you to join in the festivities, shrew" right before somebody questioned whether she would end her support for her gay daughter and another asserted that she doesn't have a choice regarding Pride month if she believes the issue behind it deserves response.

I've got two eyes here reading a thread, buddy. Maybe repudiate your past post now, or reconcile it with people saying she doesn't get to support what she supports and also think Pride month needs to be reimagined. This is pretty vicious, even for the average tone of leftists in these parts.

[HeatBlast]

Please re-read the posts in the thread if you missed them, and tell me if you agree that someone cannot be supportive of the message of Pride month while thinking it would be better off as a day or weekend or whatever. Take as much time as you need. You weren't the most virulently against having the idea, but certainly you're capable of reading how hard others came after the disagreement.

Pride should be 365.25 days a year. It's your requirement to argue why we should have minimal days in celebration and visibility. The fact we still need them means not enough is done, at which point: Why do you think it's okay for LGBQTI+ to be discriminated against?

You said "nobody is forcing you to join in the festivities, shrew" right before somebody questioned whether she would end her support for her gay daughter and another asserted that she doesn't have a choice regarding Pride month if she believes the issue behind it deserves response.

I've got two eyes here reading a thread, buddy. Maybe repudiate your past post now, or reconcile it with people saying she doesn't get to support what she supports and also think Pride month needs to be reimagined. This is pretty vicious, even for the average tone of leftists in these parts.

You have two eyes to read the post, but apparently not the ability to comprehend. That's on you mate, not on anyone else to solve for ya. Try again.

[s_bushido]

So Carlson had his first episode of his show on Twitter.

Is that the one where he outright called Zelenskyy a "shifty Jew?"

[Elegiac]

Please re-read the posts in the thread if you missed them, and tell me if you agree that someone cannot be supportive of the message of Pride month while thinking it would be better off as a day or weekend or whatever.

The argument that it's become "a corporatized mess that has lost its purpose" has nothing to do with its duration. Nor do either of these arguments have to do with the complaint that "I just want to do business/consume product without it being political."

Again, I'm not sure why either she or you think you're being subtle.

[D Luniz]

Is that the one where he outright called Zelenskyy a "shifty Jew?"

and glossed over his almost a year of saying "Biden ordered the Nord Stream pipeline destroyed" to blurt "Zelenskyy did it!!"

[Breccia]

Please re-read the posts in--

Why? In none of them did you deal with the issue of your candidate Trump being a sexual assaulter and you supporting that.

[ringpriest]

So did the other 10s of millions of maganuts in this country. Hopefully they wake up when they eventually have gay or trans family members.

They won't wake up - they'll just kill them.

Oh, they won't be stoning them in the public square, mostly. It'll be mostly abuse in private that drives self-destructive and eventually suicidal behavior. But it will be genocide all the same. If you don't reject intolerance, you get Nazi Germany, Putin's Russia, or some similar real-world version of Mordor.

[tehdang]

Pride should be 365.25 days a year. It's your requirement to argue why we should have minimal days in celebration and visibility. The fact we still need them means not enough is done, at which point: Why do you think it's okay for LGBQTI+ to be discriminated against?

Oooh baby you're trying real hard to wriggle free of calling my comment a "clueless take." So, can I consider you to retract it? Or umm ... maybe answer

tell me if you agree that someone cannot be supportive of the message of Pride month while thinking it would be better off as a day or weekend or whatever.

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You weren't the most virulently against having the idea, but certainly you're capable of reading how hard others came after the disagreement.

I know it's tough to criticize somebody's post and really wish to bail after remembering how hard people came after the subject of my post, but you can't avoid it. Retract or defend it. The choice is yours.

[postman1782]

Immigrant family separation counts as genocide.

The forced hysterectomies are similar to what Hitler wanted for Poland.

Forgot about that. So much fascist shit has happened.

[Breccia]

Oooh baby you're trying real hard to wriggle free of

You have yet to address Trump being a sexual assaulter. You have no standing to say anyone else is "wriggling free". Also, you support sexual assault.

[HeatBlast]

You have yet to address Trump being a sexual assaulter. You have no standing to say anyone else is "wriggling free". Also, you support sexual assault.

@tehdang I'll give your next post any additional traction once you resolve this. Have a good day .

@Breccia I'm still unconvinced his post had any credence to claim wiggling free, when it was a blatant and distorted dog whistle, especially when prefaced with, "Please give me every bit of possible counter argument to my facetious claim". On top of that. since it requires a complete ignorance of Blossom's previous posting to even give a small amount of leeway, ignorance is not an excuse. "She wanted it she didn't say no technically" isn't going to fly in any scenario.

[Endus]

What topics do you feel this is reflective of, specifically? Because my view is that it's the mirror opposite of this, just with people finding out that they're far more conservative than they believed themselves to be.

Also yes, views and positions change over time and are not forever locked in stasis. Most people adjust their own personal views and beliefs along with the times as we do with every other aspect of our lives (advances in technology, changes in language etc.). Others just complain that "things aren't like they use do be" which is obviously always going to be true and also a completely pointless thing to say.

Doesn't help that social media sites like Twitter are increasingly actively promoting extremist right wing views that result in people gobbling up images like the above.

I ran face-first into the antithesis of that post the other day when looking up some of my old posts. I had a whole bunch of posts pre-2016 where I supported several Republican candidates, like Chris Christie and Jon Huntsman, at least in a "I disagree with these guys but could have a beer with them and talk about it" sense. Heck, let's bring out the closing line of that third link for a sec, bearing in mind this was 2014, pre-MAGA but post-Tea-Party;

"The issue isn't conservatives, or even Republicans, it's the base they've decided to appeal to. They're following their base, rather than leading them, and that's a serious problem."

Now, sure, my views might've changed, rather than Republicans, I hear the protests coming. Well, let's check back on my own ideological self-identification from early 2014, around the same time as that last post; https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post26810797

Yep, identifying myself as a "liberal market socialist".
And recently? https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post54033120
Still "outspokenly market socialist". The "liberal" is still clearly true, too, though I didn't happen to include it there.

So yeah. I'm not the one who changed in the nearly-a-decade since those posts. It's Republicans. And I called out the cause nearly a decade back; they chose to appeal to the fascist Nazi-style side of their base, and todays Republican Party is the result. I'm not the one who got "more extreme". I've always been this "woke", this socialist. They're the ones who've changed, and anyone claiming they haven't is a liar.

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Oooh baby you're trying real hard to wriggle free of calling my comment a "clueless take." So, can I consider you to retract it? Or umm ... maybe answer


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I know it's tough to criticize somebody's post and really wish to bail after remembering how hard people came after the subject of my post, but you can't avoid it. Retract or defend it. The choice is yours.

Wanting Pride to be reduced to a day or weekend is a desire to see Pride celebration marginalized. It's not supporting Pride. So your first sentence was internally contradictory.

It shouldn't bother anyone that it's a month long. The only reason you'd have an issue with that is if you're unhappy with the message and want it to be limited to a much smaller presence in the year.

[beanman12345]

Wanting Pride to be reduced to a day or weekend is a desire to see Pride celebration marginalized. It's not supporting Pride. So your first sentence was internally contradictory.

It shouldn't bother anyone that it's a month long. The only reason you'd have an issue with that is if you're unhappy with the message and want it to be limited to a much smaller presence in the year.

he claims want's a smaller presence" now, from a month to a week now, but if he got the smaller presence, the arguement would change that week should be a day, than he'd argue for what he really wants, which is no presence or awareness or at all. I mean the guy actively supports a man to be president who wants to wipe it out of any and all mention of these topics at all.