Elon Musk Buys Twitter

[Orange Joe]

I think it was just them grasping at straws, tbh.

says the person spouting tradition and constitution........

[Dontrike]

Certain people may not agree with my reasoning, but I’m not trying to win any arguments here

Then why are you arguing at all if the point isn't to win? Are you then just publicly showing your "reasonings" because.........you like the attention?

— there’s no grasping, it’s plain and simple. That’s how I feel about the Presidency, which another user brought up with Musk, and I’m not changing my mind.

There's lots grasping for you, it's just adorable you don't see it.

[Orange Joe]

Certain people may not agree with my reasoning, but I’m not trying to win any arguments here — there’s no grasping, it’s plain and simple. That’s how I feel about the Presidency, which another user brought up with Musk, and I’m not changing my mind.

I mean if you aren't grasping then neither are they. What is it with conservatives and not being self aware.

[Orange Joe]

I’m not a conservative, Orange Joe, so I don’t know.

Let me guess. You're a "centrist"

[Orange Joe]

Democrat. It's what I registered as with my county, and as said in another post, despite disliking Biden, I plan to vote for party cause no one will challenge him.

I know many conservative democrats.

And then we have to come back to this.

I prefer this one, personally...

You're contradicting yourself here....

[Calfredd]

Yes. I hold my position -- I'm a Democrat. Not to be mistaken with a Liberal or Extreme Leftist.

Which doesn't exist.

[Endus]

Yes. I hold my position -- I'm a Democrat. Not to be mistaken with a Liberal or Extreme Leftist.

So a conservative. Because the Democrats don't lean left.

Also, "liberal" is a funny label. Do you mean "classical liberals", which are center-right let-corporations-run-free types? Or do you mean social liberals, which is literally just "we respect people's individual rights and freedoms"? Because confessing you're opposed to people's basic equity and civil/human rights is really telling on yourself, and if classical liberals are "too left" for you, you're admitting to being pretty far to the right yourself.

[Endus]

Which doesn't exist.

Well, they do. In theory. If you can actually dig up someone who thinks private property as a legal concept (don't confuse this with "personal property") should be abolished entirely, you'll find an example. But most of us socialists aren't against private property as a concept, just the capitalist take on the concept, which is only beneficial to the capitalists and a loss in every respect for literally everyone else (and if you aren't a company owner/shareholder to the extent that the ownership supports your lifestyle, you're not a capitalist).

[Endus]

No. I mean I'm a Democrat. Firm.

Then you're being inconsistent, because Democrats are ideologically a socially liberal party, more or less. Room to go further, but they're on the way. If Democrats are Liberals, and you're a Democrat but don't want to be seen as a Liberal . . . something's fucky in what you're saying. It's like claiming you're a New Yorker, born and bred for generations, but you're not an American.

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And I'm not opposed to peoples basic human rights.

That funny little word "basic" is doing a lot of cover play here.

[Endus]

I'm not opposed to basic equity and civil/human rights

"Basic" again. Leaves you plenty of room to claim someone's civil rights and fair treatment isn't "basic", it's "super mega ultra luxury" rights and freedoms and thus you can refuse to respect them.

I'll stop pushing this here because it's a weird derail, I'll just point out you keep resorting to self-damning equivocations and deflections like this rather than just openly and clearly stating your actual position. That's why you keep getting pushback and not just from me.

[Cthulhu 2020]

See, even if this is your experience, I'd much prefer it over how it used to be. I'll condemn hate speech with forms of bans from Twitter, but to completely stop conversations, even if you find it uncomfortable and/or offensive, shouldn't be allowed. If you are upset by what you see on the platform, take steps to block them or leave it completely. We don't need to ban all experiences just because yours wasn't to your liking.

This is the entire problem. While the majority of Twitter hates and condemns, there's enough people who agree with it to create communities and groups, for people to gather together. Do you think it's healthy that those who wish to visit violence upon LGBTQ and BIPOC are allowed open public discourse? To affect both policy and public debate on whether certain people get to EXIST?

You might say "Oh that's why it should be out in the open, so it can be denounced!"

But no, we need another lesson in why people openly arguing for genocide is bad. You haven't really realized that there's lying and disinformation everywhere. We've talked about one such piece of propaganda. Not only has Matt Walsh's "what is a woman" been debunked on many levels, but those who were filmed in it have revoked their consent since The Daily Wire lied and used other deceptive techniques to pretend to be trans people as well as get interviews. It's laden with disinformation, and the rube normies ate it up.

Is "the marketplace of public ideas" so good when people are lying about their product? I realize that letting public discourse happen openly and letting people decide what way is best SOUNDS good, until you realize that most people are 1. Liars and 2. Stupid. The marketplace of ideas is tainted with hate and false information.

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You'd be surprised just how much Americans are spoonfed by their own media. You get entirely different perspectives in Europe -- it's why I prefer watching/reading those.

And as I previously said, I'm interested in the data and future preventative-steps made by Musk. I prefer to not get angry and make claims without it fully being investigated and that info released.

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I agree, but was this video posted deliberately to attract these pedo's (which many are trying to suggest) or was this a fuck-up in the algorithm (or whatever it was) that was promised to be investigated and corrected?

Which are we going to believe? Cause the latter makes more sense to me, rather than some conspiracy that Musk is trying to give pedos and racists a much louder voice.

What I find utterly hilarious about YOU is that it seems you're quick to believe certain sources as "credible" since you mirror certain belief systems, and will automatically declare any source you dislike as "not credible". Your self awareness is hilariously lacking. You can't even explain WHY a certain piece of information is flawed, you just dismiss it because of the source.

The fact that you found "What is a Woman" "Enlightening" is just the cherry on top of this hypocrisy dessert.

[Cthulhu 2020]

As I said in my quote -- I condemn hate speech and support bans in those situations. I don't, however, support banning users who are just offensive, use offensive language, offensive insults and who are just general assholes. Basically, users whining that someone is being "mean" and "bullying" them, can fuck right off. Block them and/or leave the platform. Stop being little offended bitches on Twitter (not you or anyone I'm replying to here).

People who were just generally offensive were never banned from Twitter. That anyone ever thought this was the case is insane to think of, and anyone who believed it have been duped. Musk just unbanned a bunch of literal Nazis when he took over twitter.

Conservatives tend to describe their crimes in very generic terms to make them sound more benign than they actually are.

"I was banned for exercising my first amendment rights!" -Guy who was banned for outright nazi hatespeech
"I was banned for talking with my friends!" -Guy who was banned for trying to organize violence

I'm gonna guess you've never been a community moderator, but people tend to try and downplay their own conduct all the times when trying to justify why they shouldn't have gotten a ban. You see some pretty horrendous stuff come from people's keyboards when they were "just exercising their free speech".


You may like political discourse twitter more now (for some weird reason) but there's very clearly far more leeway and community space for actual hate speech on Elon's Twitter.

[Kathranis]

Yes. I hold my position -- I'm a Democrat. Not to be mistaken with a Liberal or Extreme Leftist.

I'd be curious to know where specifically you fall on fiscal, social, and legal policy.

Democrats in the United States are not generally leftist, certainly not "extreme leftist." Democrats are mainly center left, sometimes even center right (see: Sinema, Manchin). There are only a handful of leftists in Congress and some at the state level, but it's not common.

I'd likewise like to know which politicians you consider to be too "liberal" or "extreme leftist" for you and how you distinguish liberals from leftists. Like, leftists dislike liberals, so are you somewhere between leftist and liberal? If they're both too leftist for you then, yeah, you're just a straight up conservative.

It's also weird to me that you seem pretty right leaning on all the Culture War issues which is really the only thing that all Democrats lean left on. Even big time neoliberals like Pelosi will virtue signal BLM and Pride flags.

And you dislike Biden but he's just about as moderate as they come. Which Democratic candidates would you prefer run?

[Breccia]

This is going to be a double post, also in the FOX/Dominion thread.

So...how's Tucker Carlson doing?

Twitter has intentionally removed multiple ways to track how well a Tweet/video is doing. But Musk recently claimed Carlson was getting 100+ million views on Twitter and 3.5 million when he was on FOX News.

Naturally, he lied.

NBC News got hold of analytics that had to fight their way past Twitter's lack of information, including things like "if you watch 2 seconds, then five minutes later watch 2 seconds the video gets 2 views" and found that Carlson was getting 12-24 million actual views. This includes repeat views.

Not bad, not bad, but not 100+ million.

Meanwhile, Nielsen Ratings do the rest of the heavy lifting for us. FOX News was getting 63-ish million watchers and Carlson had one of the most popular, if not the most popular, shows on that network. He was also on the air a lot more.

When reached for comment, Twitter responded with a poop emoji. Twice.

So, Carlson is doing okay, but not as well as he was -- despite what Musk said, lying.

[Kathranis]

I’d argue that the rules, before Musky took over, were much stricter, and did seem to show bias censoring towards people who had more right-leaning views.

Maybe because people with right-leaning views tend to post more hateful rhetoric. What's a lefty going to get banned for, calling someone a cracker?

I do agree with Musky — we need it to be fair to have open, honest conversations with a site as big as Twitter, which reaches so many around the globe.

Do you really think Twitter as a platform is conducive to "open, honest conversations" in the first place? Nevermind moderation, the algorithm alone exists to drive engagement by creating conflict in order to push ads to more people. Does that sound like the right environment for meaningful debates?

[Pannonian]

I mean if you aren't grasping then neither are they. What is it with conservatives and not being self aware.

The user is not conservative - they are reactionary. The world is changing too fast for them (see pride month) so they want to cling on to traditions just for the sake of it. This is reactionary. They are hostile to progress, not trying to conserve.

As they posted: there is no logical reason for their opinion, they just dont want things to change for any reason. It's the same sentiment that tried to prevent the abolishment of slavery, suffrage for women, and the separation of state and church.

[Orange Joe]

Yes. I hold my position -- I'm a Democrat. Not to be mistaken with a Liberal or Extreme Leftist.

serious question. Do you think you can't be a conservative because you call yourself a democrat?

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The user is not conservative - they are reactionary. The world is changing too fast for them (see pride month) so they want to cling on to traditions just for the sake of it. This is reactionary. They are hostile to progress, not trying to conserve.

As they posted: there is no logical reason for their opinion, they just dont want things to change for any reason. It's the same sentiment that tried to prevent the abolishment of slavery, suffrage for women, and the separation of state and church.

Thats Thee definition for conservative.......



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I’d argue that the rules, before Musky took over, were much stricter, and did seem to show bias censoring towards people who had more right-leaning views.

I do agree with Musky — we need it to be fair to have open, honest conversations with a site as big as Twitter, which reaches so many around the globe.

No rules changed at twitter since musk took over. Not a single one.

[Dontrike]

I've seen some very hateful language from both sides.

One calls out people for being terrible the other calls out people for existing. Herp derp both sides.

[Doctor Amadeus]

There is a huge difference between unpopular speech and hate speech.

Hate speech is Saying all of blank is because of Insert Race here isn't about what is offensive, it's a call to action to use the mechanism of racism and dog whistles to target and attack people due to no other offense than being something nobody has any control over since birth.

That's a choice and along with death threats ought to get on banned from any conversation period..


Unpopular speech is simply saying things people don't like or disagree with, that is NOT oppression either.



Elon Musk has been proven to encourage and support HATE SPEECH, under the guise of unpopular speech.


Even if one agrees with him or likes Elon which I don't. It impossible to objectively argue, that it's hate speech he supports and unpopular speech is only actionable if it offends him personally. Which means twitter doesn't have free speech.


That said I AM FINE with a private company just like before being own by Elon allowing whatever speech he wants, that is offensive.

HOWEVER his bullshit of allowing hate speech and disinformation, for which he himself suggest twitter is the town square thus his intent.

The fact he allows for actionable hate speech, and unverified unvetted disinformation like medical claims means he as the owner should be liable for that.


So whether it's targeting protected minority groups for hatred and death or allowing goofballs that advocate using HONEY to cure cancer or some shit because BIG PHARMA.

Both are a huge problem regardless to leanings, or politics.

[Dontrike]

Again, on Twitter, I’ve seen this kind of hate from both sides. Hate is not exclusive to one side.

Yeah, so have I and your definition of "hate" is most definitely warped as it's not really "hate" to insult racists, fascists, and pedophiles, but it absolutely is hate to want gay/trans and other minorities dead. Go ahead though, show how both are the same and prove your point. I'll be over here waiting while you don't do it and deflect.