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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    More than that, its clear ppl arent using the term to harass ppl calling them "cissy" amd what not. Like I think ppl can see that saying "cissy" to ppl is harrasment and kind of a slur? Its not different than using the same term for trans ppl
    Sounds like an insult more than anything else, if it goes one for a few more weeks then it might get to harassment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Apparently Musk takes issue with the origins of the word, which is linked in the comments and confirmed by Musk as the reason why.

    I’m okay with this change, given the added context.
    Nazi scientists were instrumental in the success of NASA during the space race, and yet he has no problem working with that organization. Almost like the origin of something doesn't mean shit, even if it wasn't just right-wing propaganda in their continued desperate attempts to link LGBT people with pedophiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I’ve definitely seen it thrown around in Twitter arguments recently. Twitter drama gets wild.
    That's because transphobic snowflakes react to it. They want to ignore the humanity and such of trans people. So they refuse the identification of cisgender. Thus they get called out.

    Getting called cisgender, asking what it means, shrugging and going "ok".
    That is the reasonable reaction.

    Same as getting called straight/heterosexual and then just going "ok" is a reasonable one.

    But transphobes hate getting termed as cis, and then out themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Apparently Musk takes issue with the origins of the word, which is linked in the comments and confirmed by Musk as the reason why.
    Him "confirming it" still doesn't make it true, sweetheart.

    I’m okay with this change, given the added context.
    I'm not surprised that you specifically are okay with this change.

    Here's why both you and he are full of it: the origin of a word and the origin of its current context are not the same thing. The n-word originating from the Iberian word for the color black does not make it any less offensive in its current social context - similarly, "cis" as a prefix being (supposedly) coined by Sigusch does not automatically make it offensive in its current social context.
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    Elon really do just be pandering to far-righties and bigots with the thinnest of veils. I wish we could just have everyone move off of Twitter at this point, it's becoming more toxic by the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    Elon really do just be pandering to far-righties and bigots with the thinnest of veils.
    It's not even veiled anymore...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Apparently Musk takes issue with the origins of the word, which is linked in the comments and confirmed by Musk as the reason why.

    I’m okay with this change, given the added context.
    Then Musk is a moron, because the argument presented is just dishonest bullshit.

    The origin of cis- as a prefix dates back to Latin, a couple thousand years back. It's literally the opposite of "trans". It's been used extensively in scientific endeavours for centuries, because science always used Latin.

    https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/hi...yond.%E2%80%9D

    Worse, Elon and friends are openly lying about who coined the term "cisgender" specifically in the modern context.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what-...b01e9288730415

    Sigusch coined the term cissexual a few years prior, but pretty much nobody paid attention and it has no relation to the origin of "cisgender", and Sigusch was in no way the guy who coined the cis- prefix, which again, was some Latin dude thousands of years ago.

    It's all lies and bullshit and if you fell for any of this you've really got to take some time to self-reflect on why you're so goddamned gullible to just eat up propaganda horseshit like this with a giant spoon and a smile on your face.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Apparently he coind the term in 1991, is what I’m reading.

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    The real important part is you believe this piece of nonsense, just like you believe all sorts of other easily disproven nonsense.

    You should just admit it and not pretend you are just being a messenger pigeon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Apparently Musk takes issue with the origins of the word, which is linked in the comments and confirmed by Musk as the reason why.

    I’m okay with this change, given the added context.
    Elon replaced a Twitter regime that labeled a bunch of words and opinions as problematic and banworthy. He's not going to make a better one by adding more words to the hateful list, just of his own selection.

    I can even agree that there are activists on Twitter that use it as a slur. It's just not going to make the debate any better trying to be censorious of a term with dual use and widespread meaning.
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    TERFs gonna TERF, and this one went mask off (literally) a couple years ago. This is me completely unsurprised that they think every shit take on Twitter--and "overseas media" whatever the fuck that's supposed to prove--about trans people is "eye-opening" and is acceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Apparently Musk takes issue with the origins of the word, which is linked in the comments and confirmed by Musk as the reason why.

    I’m okay with this change, given the added context.
    Are we still just believing Elom and the idiots he responds to uncritically despite both himself and the idiots he's a reply-guy for consistently being fucking wrong?

    Or the, "One person who did some good and also very bad things used the term separately from doing very bad things so because they separately did very bad things we have to reject literally everything they've done." argument?

    Because if so we'd better write off missile technology, a lot of medical advances like open heart surgery etc. etc. etc. because those all originated from pretty awful places!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    I can even agree that there are activists on Twitter that use it as a slur. It's just not going to make the debate any better trying to be censorious of a term with dual use and widespread meaning.
    Then you're being ridiculous, because it's not a slur and there is no "dual use". You're just parroting bigoted disinformation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Elon replaced a Twitter regime that labeled a bunch of words and opinions as problematic and banworthy. He's not going to make a better one by adding more words to the hateful list, just of his own selection.
    That's not very Freeze Peach absolutist of him. He said Freeze Peach was super important for us to get to mars and then he just censors people like this. I'd call that pretty hypocritical, especially as he's promoting hate-based disinformation simultaneously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Then you're being ridiculous, because it's not a slur and there is no "dual use". You're just parroting bigoted disinformation.
    Next up: "Bless your heart" is now a slur because people have interpreted it as a devastating insult.

    Feelings matter more than facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Are we still just believing Elom and the idiots he responds to uncritically despite both himself and the idiots he's a reply-guy for consistently being fucking wrong?

    Or the, "One person who did some good and also very bad things used the term separately from doing very bad things so because they separately did very bad things we have to reject literally everything they've done." argument?

    Because if so we'd better write off missile technology, a lot of medical advances like open heart surgery etc. etc. etc. because those all originated from pretty awful places!
    The german dude didn't coin the term "cisgender". That's a lie they're perpetrating. He used the term "cissexual" as an antonym for "transsexual", because that's how Latin has worked for 2000 years, but his work had absolutely nothing to do with the origin of the term "cisgender" other than sharing the same Latin derivation for the prefix.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Next up: "Bless your heart" is now a slur because people have interpreted it as a devastating insult.

    Feelings matter more than facts.
    Hey now! If those HMS commercials taught me anything, it's that 'bless your heart' can be a devastating insult.

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    Ppl really going out pf their way to pretend that adding the prefix cis to the word "sissy" (which is a slur) stops it from being a slur xD

    At least make the argument that it should not be banned regardless of it being slur lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Apparently Musk takes issue with the origins of the word, which is linked in the comments and confirmed by Musk as the reason why.

    I’m okay with this change, given the added context.
    Except that is not the origin of the word. Why do you blindly believe was right wing conmen say on Twitter? First there was your "eye opening" experience with the Matt Walsh hit piece, now it's Elon parroting false information. You should really fact check what these grifters say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Ppl really going out pf their way to pretend that adding the prefix cis to the word "sissy" (which is a slur) stops it from being a slur xD
    Y'all really need to learn the difference between an insult and a slur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Yes. Given how I personally see it repeatedly being used on social media, which very often comes with harassment, I can agree with the ban.
    Harassment is already (theoretically) against the Twitter TOS. Why is there a need to pretend that 'cis' is derogatory on top of that, exactly?
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Why is there a need to pretend that 'cis' is derogatory on top of that, exactly?
    Because some people who think that facts don't care about your feelings are very upset their feelings are hurt.

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