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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    That’s a pretty low bar you have there. Explains quite a bit.
    Anything it takes to get your insults in, even if you have to resort to people's taste in subjective content like comedy. Explains quite a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farora View Post
    Death threats are not a part of free speech anywhere.
    IMHO they deserve a perma ban. But that would go against what Musk wants to do with the platform so...
    The wise wolf who's pride is her wisdom isn't so sharp as drunk.

  3. #423
    Quote Originally Posted by kail View Post
    IMHO they deserve a perma ban. But that would go against what Musk wants to do with the platform so...
    Well it is illegal to threaten someone's life on the internet and it has nothing to do with "free speech" as per the constitutional right OR what Musk is describing.

    They really showed him, huh?
    The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.

  4. #424
    Quote Originally Posted by Al Gorefiend View Post
    We've yet to see your evidence that he has a persecution complex though. Do you have connections to his therapist? Big claim to make about a person. Any links? No?

    "Just take my word for it! It's pretty much textbook!"

    Then proceeds to demand evidence from everyone else. Lol.
    You're right, I can't prove that he has a persecution complex.

    What I can prove is that no one has been able to show any actual examples of him actually being persecuted... which leads me to my belief that he has a persecution complex
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

  5. #425
    Quote Originally Posted by Afrospinach View Post
    Well it is illegal to threaten someone's life on the internet and it has nothing to do with "free speech" as per the constitutional right OR what Musk is describing.

    They really showed him, huh?
    Musk isn't describing anything, that's the problem. he just says stupid shit like: "the far right and far left are both the same and should be treated the same". which is functionally a nod to the far right that they're thoughts and opinions are legitimate. that Nazi's who have kill lists are the same as people who think maybe we should overthrow capitalism. it's an implicit endorsement of their views which includes: death threats, assaults and murder. but yeah "they sure showed their hands" or whatever....
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  6. #426
    This is the image Musk tweeted. I'm assuming in an attempt to calm ppl down that are claiming that he's far-right leaning or something... I can see what he's saying here, tbh. But at the same time, the right has moved as well over the years... I just can't say which has more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    This is the image Musk tweeted. I'm assuming in an attempt to calm ppl down that are claiming that he's far-right leaning or something... I can see what he's saying here, tbh. But at the same time, the right has moved as well over the years... I just can't say which has more.

    Imagine blaming the Overton window shift on the left.
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    if the conservative isn't sporting SS tattoo's and a MAGA hat then that "graphic" is incredibly biased and should be disregarded.

  9. #429
    It's not like there hasn't been studies to show there is no real left wing bias, but hey they have talking points and we all know the right will run with them till they die.



    Studies have refuted that Twitter has a left-wing bias, while research from last year even suggested that it’s algorithm amplified more content from right-wing politicians and sources than left-wing accounts.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...inion-leaders/
    https://osf.io/w98ms/

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-25738-6
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

  10. #430
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    This is the image Musk tweeted. I'm assuming in an attempt to calm ppl down that are claiming that he's far-right leaning or something... I can see what he's saying here, tbh. But at the same time, the right has moved as well over the years... I just can't say which has more.

    the only funny thing about this is the think pieces saying 'elon musks elusive poltics what does he believe'. As if its a fucking mystery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    This is the image Musk tweeted. I'm assuming in an attempt to calm ppl down that are claiming that he's far-right leaning or something... I can see what he's saying here, tbh. But at the same time, the right has moved as well over the years... I just can't say which has more.

    Here's the core dishonesty at the heart of this particular bullshit; a misrepresentation of achievable practicality and awareness with ideological intent and goals.

    In particular, there have been some significant movements on progressive fronts, like marriage equality and racial justice (at least, rhetorically, on the latter). Not without contest, and those fights are by no means over, but there's been ground gained, meaningfully.

    That does not represent the left wing moving to some more-extreme position.

    The core ideological underpinnings are ideas like "nobody should face persecution over who they fundamentally are". Steps towards achieving that objective, in practice, do not represent even a little shift in that ideological tenet.

    Radicalization is entirely about shifts in the ideological intent and goals. Not about what's been practical to achieve. And here, the right wing has moved from positions like "less regulatory oversight" and "we need to worry about our own citizens before immigrants", to put them in what's hopefully as generic and positive a light as I can to avoid discussion, and I don't want to make it about whether those were dogwhistles. We're talking Reagan-era ideological approaches, basically, here. Today, though? Most Republican policies are things like "inflict undue harm on transgender kids because they're damaged and deserve it" or "deny basic human and civil rights to LGBT people over issues like marriage, because subjugating and scapegoating innocents is how we maintain control". Even if they secretly held those views in the past, they weren't overt about them, whereas they are, today. That is a significant shift rightward, ideologically speaking, a shift of goals and intent, as the practicality of achieving anything along those lines becomes weaker and more distant.

    "The Left" hasn't shifted in their ideological views, in the Western world, basically at all. The core of "innocent people should be protected from undue harm and exploitation" has always been at the core. Awareness of new or hidden victimizations come to light, and get included in the agenda, but it's always that same goal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post

    "The Left" hasn't shifted in their ideological views, in the Western world, basically at all. The core of "innocent people should be protected from undue harm and exploitation" has always been at the core. Awareness of new or hidden victimizations come to light, and get included in the agenda, but it's always that same goal.
    and the goals of the right haven't changed either, what HAS changed is their willingness to violently react to society changing. whether through legislation or pick any of the white nationalist militias' or movements that exploded in activity after Trump got elected.

    the goals of the right hasn't changed since the 1840's and if these people could roll back society and the laws to fit that time period they absolutely would. again the only thing that has changed is the confidence that they can get away with it.

  13. #433
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    This is the image Musk tweeted. I'm assuming in an attempt to calm ppl down that are claiming that he's far-right leaning or something... I can see what he's saying here, tbh. But at the same time, the right has moved as well over the years... I just can't say which has more.

    Yeah it's patently ridiculous to say that the Bush/McCain/Romney Conservatives 0f 2008/2012 are the same as Trump Conservatives in 2021. John McCain wasn't like, my dude, or whatever...but he seemed like a mostly decent human being that just happened to have some political ideas that pushed him right of center. At least, I can't think of anything I've ever heard him say that made me go "yikes". Romney has had some very bad takes but will at least hold the line against outright corruption and treason.

    As far as "which side has moved further" goes... The extreme left and extreme right haven't changed at all...but more Conservatives have moved towards their extreme than Liberals have moved towards theirs. And really, what's the most "extreme" left wing thing you can think of... is it worse than attacking the Capitol and then pretending that it wasn't actually an attack at all? Because that's where the right is at now.
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    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

  14. #434
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    This is the image Musk tweeted. I'm assuming in an attempt to calm ppl down that are claiming that he's far-right leaning or something... I can see what he's saying here, tbh. But at the same time, the right has moved as well over the years... I just can't say which has more.

    This is what happens when adults don’t pay attention to politics until Trump came along. They think Musk is making good points.

  15. #435
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Twitter publicly announces it lied about its user count in what I suspect was an out-the-door stunt purely to fuck with Elon Musk.
    *Billy Dee Williams Voice*

    This deal keeps getting worse all the time!

  16. #436
    https://www.reuters.com/breakingview...er-2022-04-27/

    While possibly an opinion piece, its entirely possible that Musk will back out of the deal.

    Here's a few reasons they are thinking Musk will back out of the deal.
    Tesla has lost 20% of its value since the sale was announced.
    Half of Teslas are built in China, and Twitter is basically outlawed in China.
    4 years ago, Musk was going to set up a "peanut brittle" company to compete with Warren Buffet's See's Candy company. That didn't happen.
    The EU has stated that if he doesn't police the content on Twitter if he buys it, it will probably be banned there as well.
    Same with the Apple store. The Apple store has done this with other apps like Parler, GAB and others that let death threats and other threats go unpunished.


    There are also other reasons that he could back out still. He claimed that if the WHO gave him a number that he would end world hunger. WHO gave him a $6.6 billion estimate, and he didn't even respond to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    https://www.reuters.com/breakingview...er-2022-04-27/

    While possibly an opinion piece, its entirely possible that Musk will back out of the deal.

    Here's a few reasons they are thinking Musk will back out of the deal.
    Tesla has lost 20% of its value since the sale was announced.
    Half of Teslas are built in China, and Twitter is basically outlawed in China.
    4 years ago, Musk was going to set up a "peanut brittle" company to compete with Warren Buffet's See's Candy company. That didn't happen.
    The EU has stated that if he doesn't police the content on Twitter if he buys it, it will probably be banned there as well.
    Same with the Apple store. The Apple store has done this with other apps like Parler, GAB and others that let death threats and other threats go unpunished.


    There are also other reasons that he could back out still. He claimed that if the WHO gave him a number that he would end world hunger. WHO gave him a $6.6 billion estimate, and he didn't even respond to them.
    Wouldn't Musk have to pay a lot of money for backing out at this point?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ransath View Post
    Money laundering, especially prior to his election? I couldn't give a flying fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Wouldn't Musk have to pay a lot of money for backing out at this point?
    IIRC there's a $1B fine if he violates the terms of the deal in some way. So yeah, a lot of money, but compared to what he'd spend/the debt he'd take on for buying Twitter, plus what it's done to TSLA share value so far...it'd probably be a much, much, much better/cheaper option at this point.

    I still think this was all a trollish game of chicken with him and he fully expected Twitter to blink before he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Wouldn't Musk have to pay a lot of money for backing out at this point?
    There's a $1 billion termination fee if Elon fails to secure funding.

    Some smart guy basically paid a $1 billion dollars for a $44 billion dollar option. On a company that loses $221 million a year.

    /e Sings the Diamond Hands shanty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    IIRC there's a $1B fine if he violates the terms of the deal in some way. So yeah, a lot of money, but compared to what he'd spend/the debt he'd take on for buying Twitter, plus what it's done to TSLA share value so far...it'd probably be a much, much, much better/cheaper option at this point.

    I still think this was all a trollish game of chicken with him and he fully expected Twitter to blink before he did.
    Okay, so explain to me why people call him sort of brilliant businessman, again? He's literally throwing upwards a billion dollars for... nothing. Absolutely nothing (assuming he would back out). At least someone like Trump can say he had a casino, even if he managed to lose money with it.

    And if Musk doesn't back out... he's more fucked?

    /golfclap
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransath View Post
    Money laundering, especially prior to his election? I couldn't give a flying fuck.

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