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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Using the actions of one bad person as an argument to blame others on Twitter is a form of a logical fallacy, as it unfairly assigns blame to the majority of users on the platform who don’t support this kind of behavior. It’s a malicious argument to deflect from what was previously being discussed, which was Musk deciding to change the logo.
    THAT
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    and Musk has been ACTIVELY courting people like that since even before he took over

    claiming anyone is blaming the average user is just a lazy deflection to ignore that fact.
    "Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
    Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
    Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Using the actions of one bad person as an argument to blame others on Twitter is a form of a logical fallacy, as it unfairly assigns blame to the majority of users on the platform who don’t support this kind of behavior. It’s a malicious argument to deflect from what was previously being discussed, which was Musk deciding to change the logo.
    Elon engages and retweets white supremacist, nazis and people who people who believe in that flag. In fact I will easily say Elon himself is a racist.

    Twitter or whatever calling it is now a site that is all about engagement of the most white supremacist, nazis and people who believe in that flag.
    "Buh dah DEMS"

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    Here you go, Elon. Your new logo:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    This person found Elon's new Logo
    At least it's the square battle flag and not that phony baloney rectangle.
    /s

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    This name-change is one of the most stupid things he could do with the company.

    Dumb. dumb, dumb... and ofc winterbot approves and thinks it's smart.
    Last edited by diller; 2023-07-24 at 05:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Using the actions of one bad person as an argument to blame others on Twitter is a form of a logical fallacy, as it unfairly assigns blame to the majority of users on the platform who don’t support this kind of behavior. It’s a malicious argument to deflect from what was previously being discussed, which was Musk deciding to change the logo.
    It's literally what Twitter has turned into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imbas Forosnai View Post
    I personally believe that’s it’s unfair to associate the bad behaviors of users with Musk. While the change in recent TOS and guidelines can influence those behaviors, it ultimately can be argued that the change was made to allow for more open discussions and leniency in the original rule sets.
    Not if you're an honest participant and actually understand what those concepts are and how Musk's behaved as CEO, you can't.

    You can lie about it a whole bunch and pretend you're making an argument, but it's fundamentally always going to be the same fart-sniffing bullshit all "free speech absolutists" always bring into the room with them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Imbas Forosnai View Post
    There is no inherent problem with allowing “more free speech” (for lack of better words) on social media. It’s a valuable part of a democratic society, giving users the ability to express their opinions.
    'Kay. Want to discuss the actual topic, or do you just want to astroturf with a completely misleading smoke screen of fart smoke, like you're doing here?

    While there can obviously be risks associated with “absolute” free speech, which isn’t happening on Twitter, we should aim for allowing different views, however uncomfortable and offensive they may be, reducing echo-chambers.
    Hate speech is rampant on Twitter now, so all you're doing here is openly lying and expecting everyone to smell that fart and not call it out.

    Believe me, we all smell what you're dealing. It's a nice, rich eggy fart.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/t...te-speech.html
    https://arxiv.org/pdf/2304.04129.pdf

    It isn't even a good lie. It's just ripping ass in a crowded elevator and trying to pretend it wasn't you.


    Edit: For anyone not paying a lot of attention, don't let the name change fool you, this is Winter Blossom.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Imbas Forosnai View Post
    There is no inherent problem with allowing “more free speech” (for lack of better words) on social media. It’s a valuable part of a democratic society, giving users the ability to express their opinions.

    While there can obviously be risks associated with “absolute” free speech, which isn’t happening on Twitter, we should aim for allowing different views, however uncomfortable and offensive they may be, reducing echo-chambers.

    To me, it seems that Musk's approach is to shift the responsibility of censorship onto the users themselves, using the privacy options provided, rather than resorting to blanket bans over the entire platform.
    But he isn't allowing free speech Winter. He is only allowing speech he wants, which turns out to be nazi rhetoric.

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    Buzzwords, that'll go well...

    Quote Originally Posted by Imbas Forosnai View Post
    There is no inherent problem with allowing “more free speech” (for lack of better words) on social media. It’s a valuable part of a democratic society, giving users the ability to express their opinions.

    While there can obviously be risks associated with “absolute” free speech, which isn’t happening on Twitter, we should aim for allowing different views, however uncomfortable and offensive they may be, reducing echo-chambers.

    To me, it seems that Musk's approach is to shift the responsibility of censorship onto the users themselves, using the privacy options provided, rather than resorting to blanket bans over the entire platform.
    Yea, that's why he's censoring political opinions on Turkey's request, lmao.

  11. #4771
    Quote Originally Posted by Imbas Forosnai View Post
    I admit, I’m actually quite interested in reviewing whether any data was collected to follow up on reports and determine whether moderation eventually did intervene in the most extreme cases.
    Imagine using chatgtp to lie.

    Also I see where we've gotten to the "change forum name" stage of forum meltdown. It's even a stupid "I know all and see all" bull shit name.
    Last edited by unfilteredJW; 2023-07-24 at 02:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imbas Forosnai View Post
    I personally believe that’s it’s unfair to associate the bad behaviors of users with Musk.
    you must have missed that time he chose to unban all the nazis and white supremacists pretty intentionally and specifically and shit. Or whose comments section he's posting in. Or literally anything he's done since taking over the company in October that's contributed to a rise in hate speech on the platform which was repeatedly verified until he started charging $42,000 for the API to be able to track that kind of thing anymore.

    Oops, how convenient that decision had that consequence. Surely you didn't forget all these things we've spent dozens of pages discussing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Imbas Forosnai View Post
    the change was made to allow for more open discussions and leniency in the original rule sets.
    I'm not sure anyone is going to argue that a rise in hate speech benefits anyone, and quite contrarily I'm sure many could attributed that to both direct and indirect harms. Generally there's a reason every other functional social media platform has guidelines around user behaviors to deter things like this. Not only does it drive advertisers off, as we're still seeing with Twitter, but it causes issues for your broader userbase as people simply no longer feel comfortable on the platform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Imbas Forosnai View Post
    And just so it’s established, I personally do not condone this type of imagery.
    You spend a lot of time making incredibly bad arguments in defense of it, though.

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    Fintech! Blockchain! Ledgers! Decentralization! AI! Metaverse! VR! Cross-Synergistic Eco-Focusism!

    This is just getting embarrassing. Truly, Twitter is the best entertainment someone else lighting $44B dollars on fire can buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    Imagine using chatgtp to lie.

    Also I see where we've gotten to the "change forum name" stage of forum meltdown. It's even a stupid "I know all and see all" bull shit name.
    On the plus side, it's an anagram of "A Barf Omission" or "Rain of Biomass" so that'll be fun to nickname them from now on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imbas Forosnai View Post
    I personally believe that’s it’s unfair to associate the bad behaviors of users with Musk. While the change in recent TOS and guidelines can influence those behaviors, it ultimately can be argued that the change was made to allow for more open discussions and leniency in the original rule sets. This lets individual users decide how they want to behave and what they decide to share, with stricter moderation actions being enforced when it does go too far based on those newer rule sets.

    If certain content does bother users, Twitter has a variety of ways to block it, as well as other users, even allowing for the locking of profiles to protect your personal tweets. More people should be utilizing these privacy options if they take issue with the new changes and/or management.


    And just so it’s established, I personally do not condone this type of imagery.
    Elon simps for anti trans people, and often likes and agrees with blatantly misogynistic (Andrew Tate), homophobic, and racist tweets. This is the new base of paying users on twitter. Far right culture war Elon simps like Nick Fuentes who is an open nazi. Strangely enough, the same people being transphobic are the ones who keep blasting "the establishment" for being run by "Jews".

    This isn't subtle. It's not dog whistles. It's bullhorns and openly awful behavior that Elon and his sycophants are continuing to engage in.

    That you're apologizing for these people is gross and horrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    On the plus side, it's an anagram of "A Barf Omission" or "Rain of Biomass" so that'll be fun to nickname them from now on.
    Good band names at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorshen View Post


    Buzzwords, that'll go well...
    Everyone loves puppets! Especially when they say funny stuff!
    "For the present this country is headed in directions which can only carry ruin to it and will create a situation here dangerous to world peace. With few exceptions, the men who are running this Government are of a mentality that you and I cannot understand. Some of them are psychopathic cases and would ordinarily be receiving treatment somewhere. Others are exalted and in a frame of mind that knows no reason."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imbas Forosnai View Post
    I personally believe that’s it’s unfair to associate the bad behaviors of users with Musk. While the change in recent TOS and guidelines can influence those behaviors, it ultimately can be argued that the change was made to allow for more open discussions and leniency in the original rule sets. This lets individual users decide how they want to behave and what they decide to share, with stricter moderation actions being enforced when it does go too far based on those newer rule sets.

    If certain content does bother users, Twitter has a variety of ways to block it, as well as other users, even allowing for the locking of profiles to protect your personal tweets. More people should be utilizing these privacy options if they take issue with the new changes and/or management.


    And just so it’s established, I personally do not condone this type of imagery.
    Musk himself likes, retweets, and comments with positivity with said racists, facists, and other biggots!

    Because he's an apartheid biggot.
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  18. #4778
    Quote Originally Posted by Imbas Forosnai View Post
    New logo went live (can’t post images atm) – I actually think it's pretty neat! It’s more sleek and modern, and I'm a fan of the darker color scheme. It's a refreshing change from the old logo and gives off a futuristic vibe, which I personally find more appealing.
    mmm ice cream so good mmm mmm gang gang ice cream so good mm mmmmm

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    so uh...xvideos is trending on twitter.

    Anyone else think this might have been another hasty Elom impulse move with no care for any consequences?

    Literally hundreds of millions in investment in the fuckin stupid blue bird that is internationally recognizable and this is the reaction to his latest genius move.
    Last edited by Edge-; 2023-07-24 at 06:53 AM.

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    https://twitter.com/amazing_pi7/stat...27582266347520

    "Elon Musk says if done right, X could become 'half of the global financial system'." Hahahahaha

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