Elon Musk Buys Twitter

[Dontrike]

Not to deal in absolutes, but how are you going to decide what speech is censored or not?
Who's going to decide? That's the bloody thing.
Is it okay if a private company superimposes it's own set of rules on what you can or cannot(or should) say, or rather, we the society agree to a certain set of rules to which all the communal platforms should abide and refer to?

Moderators. Literally right now you are posting on a site with rules and you abide by them. When it comes to Twitter perhaps "free speech" where you keep saying how much you want to kill X race, religion, or peoples isn't a good thing.

[Trifle]

Moderators. Literally right now you are posting on a site with rules and you abide by them.

Slightly off-topic, but apparently he doesn't which makes your statement rather amusing.

[Endus]

Quite obviously so.
When they say shit like "I support free speech, just not hate speech" it sounds literally like "I support physics, just not gravity"\
They are that clueless.

An equivalent statement would be "I support free speech, just not child pornography". Or "I support free speech, but not violent threats aimed at specific people." Or "I support free speech, just not speech intended to incite a riot."

Not all speech is protected, and pretty much everyone agrees with that principle. "Free speech absolutists" are mostly liars seeking to protect certain types of abusive speech. But hey, maybe you're the exception, and you really do support child porn.

Not to deal in absolutes, but how are you going to decide what speech is censored or not?
Who's going to decide? That's the bloody thing.

The same way we already do, and always have. The same way we decide whether someone's actions are criminal, or not.

The courts. That's what they're for. How is this even a question that you're confused about? Why do you people forget that laws always come down to the courts, and wring your hands about "who's gonna decide?" as if that's even an honest concern?

Is it okay if a private company superimposes it's own set of rules on what you can or cannot(or should) say, or rather, we the society agree to a certain set of rules to which all the communal platforms should abide and refer to?

That private company's rules apply only to its own staff and its properties, and only to the extent of firing that staff or removing people from their private property. Given those limitations, of course it's okay for them to establish standards; the alternative would be a gross violation of their freedom of speech, and freedom of association. Sure seems like you don't really understand what "freedom of speech" actually means. About the only justifiable exception here is protected classes; a store can't ban "black people" from the property, for instance.

[diller]

Get fucked Elom.


Musk calls Sweden’s strike ‘insane’ and Danish union chief piles on: ‘Even if you are one of the richest people in the world, you can’t just make your own rules’

Tesla Inc.’s labor dispute is expanding to Denmark, where the country’s largest union said it will halt shipments of the cars to Sweden in support of striking workers in the biggest Nordic country.
Harbor workers and drivers at the Danish 3F union will in about two weeks stop offloading Sweden-bound cars in Danish harbors and driving them to Sweden, preventing Tesla from circumventing a weeks-long blockade there.

[Muzjhath]

Get fucked Elom.


Musk calls Sweden’s strike ‘insane’ and Danish union chief piles on: ‘Even if you are one of the richest people in the world, you can’t just make your own rules’

We beat Toys'R'Us
We can beat Old Musky

[Edge-]

Quite obviously so.
When they say shit like "I support free speech, just not hate speech" it sounds literally like "I support physics, just not gravity"\
They are that clueless.

Honestly, how poorly understood the concept of Free Speech is really is depressing. This is why we mock Freeze Peach, because people actually believe Freeze Peach Absolutism is a viable position to take and not completely indefensible when they start complaining about how of course they don't think child porn should be legal and that's so unfair that they're being asked to defend it as legal as part of their absolute position on Freeze Peach.

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Get fucked Elom.


Musk calls Sweden’s strike ‘insane’ and Danish union chief piles on: ‘Even if you are one of the richest people in the world, you can’t just make your own rules’

He's just gonna leave Europe for all his businesses since they'll actually either make him comply with regulations/laws or the workers will actually strike enough to cause problems.

Boy, I can only imagine how miserable he must be with the whole world "out to get him".

[Masark]

Boy, I can only imagine how miserable he must be with the whole world "out to get him".

I imagine it's not nearly miserable enough.

[Breccia]

I imagine it's not nearly miserable enough.

Just to kick him when he's down: Twitter has lost $25 billion in value since he paid for it. That is based on a value Musk himself gave it, in an internal email the NYTimes got their hands on. Twitter is also saddled with billions in new debt, lost 60% of its advertising, and lost 80% of its workforce.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Just to kick him when he's down: Twitter has lost $25 billion in value since he paid for it. That is based on a value Musk himself gave it, in an internal email the NYTimes got their hands on. Twitter is also saddled with billions in new debt, lost 60% of its advertising, and lost 80% of its workforce.

And isn't a significant portion of that 80% of the workforce that he lost now in the process of suing him?

[diller]

Norwegian unions are on board as well, get fucked.

[Breccia]

And isn't a significant portion of that 80% of the workforce that he lost now in the process of suing him?

I mean, even "one" is significant, but, I have seen multiple lawsuits filed for Musk breaking severance contracts/promises and I don't think I've seen any of them settled or resolved. One in particular is for half a billion dollars. So, basically, yes.

[Flarelaine]

Norwegian unions are on board as well, get fucked.

Kalmar Union's in da house!

Nordic Voltron ftw!

[diller]

Kalmar Union's in da house!

Nordic Voltron ftw!

What could have been if we hadn't been fighting each other every 20 years, lol.

[Edge-]

MMOC's second-favorite lawyer has analysis on Elon's "thermonuclear" lawsuit.

It's a tort suit, TLDR: Media Matters manipulated the Twitter algorithm intentionally to create these results that shouldn't otherwise happen because they have safeguards.

Which is pretty silly on its face: I mean, of course they intentionally created these accounts to see if these results were possible. That was the whole point. The whole point was to see if this outcome, which Elon had previously claimed was basically impossible, was actually impossible or not. It's clearly possible, and lots of people found tons of other examples so...oops.

Conservatives really seem to love wasting the judicial systems time with the most Karen-esque pointless lawsuits.

[Xarkan]

What could have been if we hadn't been fighting each other every 20 years, lol.

The Swedes were untrustworthy and we were too lenient. There are lessons to be learned

[possibly neither of those are facts, assume it facts at your own risk]

[Muzjhath]

The Swedes were untrustworthy and we were too lenient. There are lessons to be learned

[possibly neither of those are facts, assume it facts at your own risk]

Just because you never expected an invasion from the south in winter doesn't mean we are untrustworthy.

And I'm just waiting for Elon to fold. And ofc a neo-liberal think-tank here in Sweden is on Elons side.

[diller]

Just because you never expected an invasion from the south in winter doesn't mean we are untrustworthy.

For some reason we still have a law that allows us to beat a Swedish man with a stick if we encounter him on the ice between Denmark and Sweden, lol.

[Muzjhath]

For some reason we still have a law that allows us to beat a Swedish man with a stick if we encounter him on the ice between Denmark and Sweden, lol.

The law should say between Denmark and Denmark... as Charles X matched his army from Germany

[Xarkan]

And I'm just waiting for Elon to fold. And ofc a neo-liberal think-tank here in Sweden is on Elons side.

The neo liberal(ist) ideal would be no unions so not surprising

Not sure he will fold, Elon is a union buster though so if he does he will find some way around it anyhow. (Unions in the US are not the same as in the Nordic model though)

[Muzjhath]

The neo liberal(ist) ideal would be no unions so not surprising

Not sure he will fold, Elon is a union buster though so if he does he will find some way around it anyhow. (Unions in the US are not the same as in the Nordic model though)

People said the same thing about Toys'R'Us who had never allowed a union contract before Sweden.
We won.