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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Anyways getting back to the topic; Elon Musk. He does not really support right wing policy and as far as Twitter he will not try to boost the right wing or silence the left wing. He's above that kind of nonsense.
    Zero evidence supporting any of this.

    Musk is a capitalist, and that basically guarantees he's a right-winger all by itself. You can't continue being a capitalist and call yourself a left-winger. The two concepts are directly antithetical.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post

    It's right wing and authoritarian if he wants to enforce traditional gender norms, but it's possible he is just criticizing what he views as excessive gender sensitivity.
    Tell us what you think "excessive gender sensitivity" means.
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    Has this thread shifted to pretending that Tim Pool isn't a far right mouthpiece, just because the drooling imbecile has claimed he's not on twitter? Jesus.
    Eh, I'm not even ever suprised by takes from the likes of extreme right wingers like @PC2 and @D3thray or any of these peoples anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Zero evidence supporting any of this.

    Musk is a capitalist, and that basically guarantees he's a right-winger all by itself. You can't continue being a capitalist and call yourself a left-winger. The two concepts are directly antithetical.
    Pretty much.

    Kinda funny watching people claiming libertarianism isn't right wing when it's functionally a philosophy of "I don't want the gay homeless man to die because he's gay, I want him to die because he's homeless."
    The Were/Was Army: "Nooo you can't just vaporize my entire armored division, we had such a manly recruitment ad!"
    The They/Them Army: "Omg integrated fire support?? Go off queen sksksks, JDAMs are such a gemini thing."

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    He's above that kind of nonsense.
    Do you have evidence that this is the case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Do you have evidence that this is the case?
    Musk is pretty much god to him you can't question faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Musk is pretty much god to him you can't question faith.
    Musk is a normal fallible person just like everyone else. For me I've been interested in technology and engineering ever since I was a kid reading Popular Mechanics/Science magazines, and I've always been interested in entrepreneurship, innovation, and start-ups. It seems that Elon Musk is currently the best role model in the world in this regard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Musk is a normal fallible person just like everyone else. For me I've been interested in technology and engineering ever since I was a kid reading Popular Mechanics/Science magazines, and I've always been interested in entrepreneurship, innovation, and start-ups. It seems that Elon Musk is currently the best role model in the world in this regard.
    If he's a "normal fallible person"... how can he also be "above such nonsense"
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Musk is a normal fallible person just like everyone else. For me I've been interested in technology and engineering ever since I was a kid reading Popular Mechanics/Science magazines, and I've always been interested in entrepreneurship, innovation, and start-ups. It seems that Elon Musk is currently the best role model in the world in this regard.
    Buying a startup doesn't make one an entrepeneur. Musk has done precisely zero innovation. He's a trust fund rich kid who's made his money off the backs of those creating those innovations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    That's not a right wing policy though, that one would be closer to a libertarian policy in regards to bodily autonomy. Like even the worst criminals in prison should have bodily autonomy rights in terms of what goes in their body.
    No, it's a right-wing position in that they want vaccines outlawed.


    Okay yes that is very right wing if he has said that abortion shouldn't be an option available to women. If he was just quibbling about the specifics of Roe v Wade or something like that then that's not as big of a deal.
    He's said he wants Roe overturned so he can force someone to marry him by stealthing.

    It's right wing and authoritarian if he wants to enforce traditional gender norms, but it's possible he is just criticizing what he views as excessive gender sensitivity.
    It's the former.

    Oh is he one of those traditional/holistic medicine people? It's like believing in magic, it doesn't work in an explainable way.
    Yeah, lots of right-wingers oppose medicine. They see it as a way for "weak" to become "strong".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Musk is pretty much god to him you can't question faith.
    Well, he didn't answer, so I guess you're right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Buying a startup doesn't make one an entrepeneur.
    Yes it does in many cases. If anyone buys a new business that is not currently profitable or has a low value and then they do something new that makes it much more valuable then they're still a successful entrepreneur. (Most entrepreneurial projects will be a failure though.)
    Musk has done precisely zero innovation.
    PayPal, Tesla, SpaceX... He contributed to innovations in financial transactions, electric batteries and cars, re-usable commercial space rockets, etc.
    He's a trust fund rich kid
    Awesome, when a family is financially prosperous that's a good thing.
    who's made his money off the backs of creating those innovations.
    Nope he earned his money and he did not unfairly exploit his employees. If you don't have proof to the contrary then he is innocent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    PayPal, Tesla, SpaceX... He contributed to innovations in financial transactions, electric batteries and cars, re-usable commercial space rockets, etc.
    Buying up a company that's already doing great things does not mean that you're doing great things.

    Musk is not an innovator by any stretch of the word.

    Nope he earned his money and he did not unfairly exploit his employees. If you don't have proof to the contrary then he is innocent.
    The fact that he's worth billions categorically proves that claim false.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Y

    Nope he earned his money and he did not unfairly exploit his employees. If you don't have proof to the contrary then he is innocent.
    LOL not only did he exploit employees but he exploited the tax payers of this country as well.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post

    Nope he earned his money and he did not unfairly exploit his employees. If you don't have proof to the contrary then he is innocent.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/25/b...ey%20unionized.

    The National Labor Relations Board on Thursday upheld a 2019 ruling that Tesla had illegally fired a worker involved in union organizing and that the company’s chief executive, Elon Musk, had illegally threatened workers with the loss of stock options if they unionized.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/15/elon...-must-pay.html

    In 2014, a handful of former employees claiming unfair compensation brought suits against SpaceX that California courts joined into one class action lawsuit. The company agreed to settle in August 2016 and finalized a settlement for about $4 million in May, according to Inverse. Although one of the litigants sought to block the settlement, he lost.
    California law requires rest periods for employees every four hours, along with breaks for meals. SpaceX’s shifts were designed such that workers couldn’t take these breaks, but were also not paid more for working these hours instead of resting.
    In April 2015, named plaintiff Sebring Whitaker filed his own suit, also alleging that SpaceX didn’t adequately pay him and similar nonexempt employees for normal and overtime work and didn’t adequately provide required meal and rest breaks.

    And in October, named plaintiff Stan Saporito filed his own suit alleging the company doesn’t provide enough labor hours to its workers for everything that needs to get done, then requires them to work off the clock to finish tasks.
    "Innocent" he says
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Buying up a company that's already doing great things does not mean that you're doing great things.
    An investor gets credit/blame for what happens to a business AFTER it is purchased but not before. I think everyone can agree on this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Musk is not an innovator by any stretch of the word.
    He is the leader of multiple innovative businesses and he also makes some engineering contributions to the new products that he brings to market.
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    The fact that he's worth billions categorically proves that claim false.
    Well reality and society disagrees with you, which is why billionaires like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos control over a hundred billion dollars and will probably grow their fortune to over a trillion dollars over the next decade!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Well reality and society disagrees with you, which is why billionaires like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos control over a hundred billion dollars and will probably grow their fortune to over a trillion dollars over the next decade!
    Please educate me on why this is a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Well reality and society disagrees with you, which is why billionaires like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos control over a hundred billion dollars and will probably grow their fortune to over a trillion dollars over the next decade!
    Gonna shill for Jeff "My employees have to wear diapers at work" Bezos as well?
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Well reality and society disagrees with you, which is why billionaires like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos control over a hundred billion dollars and will probably grow their fortune to over a trillion dollars over the next decade!
    How does them being billionaires lead to the conclusion that "reality" and "society" disagree with the notion that Musk is exploiting his workers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Please educate me on why this is a good thing.
    You'll have to give him a moment. He's busy trying to manufacture an argument for how denying your workers the breaks they are legally entitled to and making them work off the clock is not unfairly exploiting them
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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