Elon Musk Buys Twitter

[Flarelaine]

But electric is chic.

[Elegiac]

Who makes an electric lock that defaults to locked when power fails? The few reasons you might want such a design (vaults and safes, mostly) should have battery backups so it's not an issue, and shouldn't be intended to have people inside them with the doors closed in the first place.

That's the kind of design choice that should get everyone involved in the design charged with involuntary manslaughter when it inevitably kills someone.

The same guy who has collected all seven of the apartheid emeralds, that’s who.

Remember how people on this forum insisted he was going to change the face of American transportation? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[Endus]

The same guy who has collected all seven of the apartheid emeralds, that’s who.

Remember how people on this forum insisted he was going to change the face of American transportation? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

I can admit there was a time I thought he was crazy enough to toss enough money at SpaceX to re-invigorate the space race and put human habitation on Mars, sort of a Lex Luthor in the real world.

It was about the time he launched a Tesla into space as a stunt that I realized he's more a real-life MODOK, if somehow even more stupid.

And that opinion's continued to slide to the point that this comparison is really unfair to MODOK, even the intentionally mockable one from Quantumania.

[Fantomen]

should have battery backups so it's not an issue, and shouldn't be intended to have people inside them with the doors closed in the first place.

Elegiac lies for the cause, Tesla have a mecanical emergency opening handle, that work widout power.

[DarkTZeratul]

Elegiac lies for the cause, Tesla have a mecanical emergency opening handle, that work widout power.

You mean the one that requires you to partially disassemble the door to access it?

[Endus]

Elegiac lies for the cause, Tesla have a mecanical emergency opening handle, that work widout power.

So nobody's died because the power failed and they couldn't open the door? Is that what you're claiming?

I've checked some vids. The mechanical releases aren't intuitive. The rear-door ones require taking the speaker grill off the inside of the door, even.

It's still a negligent and irresponsible design that naturally leads to fatalities, as we've already seen. Electronic locks should never default to "locked" when the power fails, not when there's any chance of a human being being stuck inside.

[Fantomen]

That's been a problem plaguing Tesla owners for ages now. Lots of stories of having to literally break into their own cars because of a dead 12-volt battery--which also keeps the charging port shut so they can't just plug it in even if they have access to a charging station.

If you can enter the car, you can open the car hood with a mechanical level to accese the 12v battery, if you can not enter the car, you can still open the car hood, but you have to remove the front panel.

[Elegiac]

Elegiac lies for the cause, Tesla have a mecanical emergency opening handle, that work widout power.

Which is an entirely separate mechanism that has been reported as being difficult to locate during previous incidents of people getting trapped in their Teslas.

Where did I lie as to the cause, habibi?

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If you can enter the car, you can open the car hood with a mechanical level to accese the 12v battery, if you can not enter the car, you can still open the car hood, but you have to remove the front panel.

Do you think it is reasonable to expect most human beings to be able to do this while trapped in a flooding car?

There’s no way to spin this that isn’t negligence on the manufacturer’s part.

[Fantomen]

The mechanical releases aren't intuitive.

Fair, but it still a huge diffrent from caliming there are no mecanical releases.

[Poopymonster]

The same guy who has collected all seven of the apartheid emeralds, that’s who.

Remember how people on this forum insisted he was going to change the face of American transportation? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

You gotta admit, he's changing it as we speak.

Just not in the way those posters wanted.

[Rasulis]

Can't speak for other brands.
But Fiat's electric cars have mechanical door locks. The first thing the sales rep showed when I leased mine was the manual release. Does it have electrical door opening buttons? Yes, it does. But those are very much an aesthetic choice and the real door handle is there and pretty obvious once you know about it.

Fiat has 100 year experience designing and manufacturing cars. The company has entire handbook dedicated to making their vehicles' operation intuitive (I can't recall the proper term). Tesla is basically still a baby learning to crawl when it comes to vehicle design and manufacturing. Not to mention that most of the company's resources were spent on the technology side. Their cars have that certain unfinished feel to them. It feels that when they designed the cars, the "neat factor" outweighs the "intuitive" part.

[Fantomen]

Where did I lie as to the cause, habibi?

"Fun fact about Teslas: their door locks are electrical rather than mechanical so an electrical failure such as, say, one induced by backing your car into a body of water, will in fact trap you in the car."

You claim that there are no mecanical door opening, by omission.

Do you think it is reasonable to expect most human beings to be able to do this while trapped in a flooding car?

There I speak about the car hood. But I agree that the mechanical releases aren't intuitive for the car door.

[Elegiac]

"Fun fact about Teslas: their door locks are electrical rather than mechanical so an electrical failure such as, say, one induced by backing your car into a body of water, will in fact trap you in the car."

You claim that there are no mecanical door opening, by omission.

No it isn't, this is literally just pedantry on your part.

There I speak about the car hood. But I agree that the mechanical releases aren't intuitive for the car door.

So you agree with my original point about it being an act of corporate negligence to produce a vehicle whose principle door locking mechanism is electrical with a locked default state? Wow, it's almost as if you aren't saying anything valuable and are just being pedantic.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Musk keeps telling on himself

[Elder Millennial]

Musk keeps telling on himself

Honestly, his "Very divorced man" arc is kinda funny.

[Surfd]

Who makes an electric lock that defaults to locked when power fails?

To be 100% fair, having your electric doors default to locked in the event of a system power failure is probably at least nominally acceptable when those doors are on an automobile. I mean, the alternative is you flying down the highway doing 90 when a failure occurs and you find yourself in an uncontrollable vehicle who's doors are now flapping in the wind because they defaulted to "open".

Lack of an immediately accessible, simple to operate manual release however, is an act of practically criminal negligence on the part of the design team.

[Elder Millennial]

Lack of an immediately accessible, simple to operate manual release however, is an act of practically criminal negligence on the part of the design team.

This.

There are at least a bare minimum of 2 things that ought to have a mechanical manual redundancy on any car, breaks and door handles.

[Edge-]

Musk keeps telling on himself

"Don't believe every screenshot you see on the internet." - Abraham Lincoln, 1964

He tweets plenty of really dumb shit, yes, but seems to be pretty apparent satire and there doesn't appear to be a real corresponding tweet.

[Endus]

To be 100% fair, having your electric doors default to locked in the event of a system power failure is probably at least nominally acceptable when those doors are on an automobile. I mean, the alternative is you flying down the highway doing 90 when a failure occurs and you find yourself in an uncontrollable vehicle who's doors are now flapping in the wind because they defaulted to "open".

"Unlocked" is not "open", FWIW. Standard car doors have separate elements for opening the door and for locking it. Modern cars often automatically lock doors when moving, but for a long time, that wasn't the case; I learned to drive on a Ford Escort without power locks, and the doors were pretty much always unlocked when I was speeding down the highway. Just not open.

Lack of an immediately accessible, simple to operate manual release however, is an act of practically criminal negligence on the part of the design team.

Particularly galling when the same button you press to do it electronically could easily be a mechanical release.

[Muzjhath]

"Don't believe every screenshot you see on the internet." - Abraham Lincoln, 1964

He tweets plenty of really dumb shit, yes, but seems to be pretty apparent satire and there doesn't appear to be a real corresponding tweet.

It does however come in the flavour of shit he'd like/retweet/or comment upon agreeing.
Missing that most women who do that stuff don't say negative stuff towards a man because they've probably had experiences where they've done so and had a very adverse reaction.