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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    But again, you're missing a very critical piece of information here. It wasn't just "I won't reveal these accounts" followed by "okay, you're banned." Elon Musk reacted by closing Twitter's local offices, and then refusing to appoint a local Brazilian lawyer to assist with the case, which are both strict requirements for doing business in Brazil.
    It is pretty clear Musk thinks he can play at being an 80s cyberpunk megacorp, completely beyond the reach of "mere" national law. And equally clear he isn't, quite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post

    And I do agree with you that he shouldve fought it in court before throwing his tantrum but at the same time I dont blame him. I dont know much about Brazilian laws but like it seems the judge made a correct ruling that logically follows from Brazil's laws. In the same way I wouldnt blame a company if they didnt want to fight their banning in China
    Just to take it back to the top:

    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Yeah as much as I dislike Elon and how much of right wing shithole X has turned into, its kind of a bad precedent to ban a social media company like this
    So, it's "bad precedent" when a judge makes a correct ruling that logically follows from a country's laws...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    A record number of firms plan to cut advertising spending on X next year because of concerns that extreme content on the platform could damage their brands, dealing another blow to the financial fortunes of Elon Musk’s social media company.

    A global survey by market research firm Kantar found that a net 26% of marketers plan to decrease their spending on X in 2025, the biggest recorded pullback from any major global ad platform. Only 4% of marketers overall think X ads provide “brand safety” — certainty that their ads won’t appear alongside extreme content — compared with 39% for Google ads, Kantar said in a report Thursday.

    “Advertisers have been moving their marketing spend away from X for several years,” Gonca Bubani, Kantar’s global thought leadership director for media, said in a statement, adding that “a turnaround currently seems unlikely.”


    Ultimately, this is the only issue that matters.

    Having the most powerful advertising AI and # of users do not matter when nobody wants to advertise on your platform.

    X advertising revenue decreased by 24% since last year. During the same period, Meta's and Reddit's advertising revenues went up by 22% and 26%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    Just to take it back to the top:



    So, it's "bad precedent" when a judge makes a correct ruling that logically follows from a country's laws...?
    Unprecedented doesnt mean it wrong in like a legal way. The supreme court rules on unique cases where the circunstances can be unprecedented and they are right legally

    In Brazil its unprecedented that a social media app of this size is being banned. But given that literally every judge agrees with it must be right with Brazilian law

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    In Brazil its unprecedented that a social media app of this size is being banned. But given that literally every judge agrees with it must be right with Brazilian law
    It's also unprecedented for a company of that size to respond to a request by closing their local offices and refusing to appoint local legal counsel. Most companies would endeavor to work within the law of the countries they operate out of so they can, you know, continue operating out of those countries.

    But then most major companies aren't run by middle-aged terminally online man children who decide policy on a whim with zero internal oversight. If Mark Zuckerberg pulled this crap with Facebook, the board of Meta would throw him on his ass yesterday and start making apologies to the Brazilian government to reinstate them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    In Brazil its unprecedented that a social media app of this size is being banned.
    Probably. But it's also unPresidented for a WH resident to lead a violent terrorist attack. Just because it's never happened before doesn't mean it shouldn't be treated like any other crime/criminal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Unprecedented doesnt mean it wrong in like a legal way. The supreme court rules on unique cases where the circunstances can be unprecedented and they are right legally

    In Brazil its unprecedented that a social media app of this size is being banned. But given that literally every judge agrees with it must be right with Brazilian law
    You jumped in without knowing the circumstances, were proven wrong, then proceeded to dance all over the chess board while kicking over pieces after you were corrected. At least we know that you haven't changed one bit. The emojis really don't help your case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    In Brazil its unprecedented that a social media app of this size is being banned. But given that literally every judge agrees with it must be right with Brazilian law
    Going from "bad precedent" to "unprecedented", eh? Nice try, but let's keep those goal posts where they started, shall we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    Going from "bad precedent" to "unprecedented", eh? Nice try, but let's keep those goal posts where they started, shall we?
    Considering it wasn't the first time a social media app was banned it's not even unprecedented. I can't wait for the day when NED is correct on something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Considering it wasn't the first time a social media app was banned it's not even unprecedented. I can't wait for the day when NED is correct on something.
    It's almost impressive how committed they are to being wrong here.
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    https://apnews.com/article/brazil-mu...10d058af8dbc0c


    Brazilians not taking this lying down.

    And very right to do so. Threatening to arrest the X lawyer? Banning after withdrawing said lawyer? Threatening citizens with exorbitant fines for using VPNs to restore access? Judges are showing a bit too much reliance on authoritarianism, benevolently wielded, to protect the population from speech. And going so far as to ban elected politicians, and to not require explanations for account bans, will mark this as a thoroughly despicable action worthy of blanket condemnation.
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    Bolsonaro supporters, specifically.

    Sounds like Elon should comply with the same laws every other social media company that operates in the country complies with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    https://apnews.com/article/brazil-mu...10d058af8dbc0c
    [IMG]https://dims.apnews.com/dims4/default/1980867/2147483647/strip/true/crop/5616x3744+0+0/resize/1440x960!/format/webp/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fassets.apnews.com%2F45%2Faf%2F744883870aa33d2e2602d1975806%2F11c7849014 3e4597a66ecbf6fc212b90[/IG]

    Brazilians not taking this lying down.

    And very right to do so. Threatening to arrest the X lawyer? Banning after withdrawing said lawyer? Threatening citizens with exorbitant fines for using VPNs to restore access? Judges are showing a bit too much reliance on authoritarianism, benevolently wielded, to protect the population from speech. And going so far as to ban elected politicians, and to not require explanations for account bans, will mark this as a thoroughly despicable action worthy of blanket condemnation.
    No one really cares that Xwitter was banned except for those that are addicted to it or want to throat Elon so hard they get on their board of directors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Bolsonaro supporters, specifically.
    Ain’t he barred from holding office till like 2030?

    How do assholes get so much support?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Threatening to arrest the X lawyer?
    Don't want to get arrested?



    Banning after withdrawing said lawyer?
    For failing to appoint a new legal counsel with a court imposed deadline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    [url]https://apnews.com/article/brazil-musk-x-moraes-bolsonaro-sao-paulo-protest-demonstration-e8f4ed59ec397aed9810d058af8dbc0c
    [G]https://dims.apnews.com/dims4/default/1980867/2147483647/strip/true/crop/5616x3744+0+0/resize/1440x960!/format/webp/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fassets.apnews.com%2F45%2Faf%2F744883870aa33d2e2602d1975806%2F11c7849014 3e4597a66ecbf6fc212b90[/IMG]

    Brazilians not taking this lying down.

    And very right to do so. Threatening to arrest the X lawyer? Banning after withdrawing said lawyer? Threatening citizens with exorbitant fines for using VPNs to restore access? Judges are showing a bit too much reliance on authoritarianism, benevolently wielded, to protect the population from speech. And going so far as to ban elected politicians, and to not require explanations for account bans, will mark this as a thoroughly despicable action worthy of blanket condemnation.
    Hey, aren't those the same outfits as the goons that refused to accept the election and tried to storm the government were wearing back in 2022?

    Can't imagine why those people would be miffee about being identified on Twitter

    Maybe don't carry water for violent fascists who don't accept election results, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Hey, aren't those the same outfits as the goons that refused to accept the election and tried to storm the government were wearing back in 2022?

    Can't imagine why those people would be miffee about being identified on Twitter

    Maybe don't carry water for violent fascists who don't accept election results, eh?
    You have another thing coming if you think having a judge force bans or the shuttering of the platform is opposing violent fascists. You might as well donate your own money to their groups, for all the good you are doing for them!

    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    Don't want to get arrested?
    You can tell how pro-democracy everybody is around here when people celebrate the threatened arrest of lawyers. Oh, but it's the good guys doing it, so we can't actually examine what this does for justice and presenting a defense in a court of law.

    I'll have to bookmark this for the inevitable assertions a couple of months from now, "Nobody said that the judge threatening to arrest a corporation's lawyer was a good thing! You're making that up!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    You have another thing coming if you think having a judge force bans or the shuttering of the platform is opposing violent fascists. You might as well donate your own money to their groups, for all the good you are doing for them!

    You can tell how pro-democracy everybody is around here when people celebrate the threatened arrest of lawyers. Oh, but it's the good guys doing it, so we can't actually examine what this does for justice and presenting a defense in a court of law.

    I'll have to bookmark this for the inevitable assertions a couple of months from now, "Nobody said that the judge threatening to arrest a corporation's lawyer was a good thing! You're making that up!"
    As someone who has stated he is voting for a violent fascist, how to you reconcile the inconsistency in your argument?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    You have another thing coming if you think having a judge force bans or the shuttering of the platform is opposing violent fascists. You might as well donate your own money to their groups, for all the good you are doing for them!

    You can tell how pro-democracy everybody is around here when people celebrate the threatened arrest of lawyers. Oh, but it's the good guys doing it, so we can't actually examine what this does for justice and presenting a defense in a court of law.

    I'll have to bookmark this for the inevitable assertions a couple of months from now, "Nobody said that the judge threatening to arrest a corporation's lawyer was a good thing! You're making that up!"
    I still think it's wild that you're effectively saying a billionaire should have free reign to break and completely ignore a nation's laws because punishing them for doing so is bad.

    If people want to complain about twitter being banned somewhere, they should be bringing their complaints to Musk since he's the dullard that took a series of explicit actions to get it banned after being warned that what he was doing would get it banned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    You have another thing coming if you think having a judge force bans or the shuttering of the platform is opposing violent fascists. You might as well donate your own money to their groups, for all the good you are doing for them!

    You can tell how pro-democracy everybody is around here when people celebrate the threatened arrest of lawyers. Oh, but it's the good guys doing it, so we can't actually examine what this does for justice and presenting a defense in a court of law.

    I'll have to bookmark this for the inevitable assertions a couple of months from now, "Nobody said that the judge threatening to arrest a corporation's lawyer was a good thing! You're making that up!"
    When said lawyer is refusing to comply with the law, then arresting that lawyer for the crimes they've committed is the natural result. It's weird that you're promoting the blatant flouting of the law and suggesting lawyers shouldn't have to abide by it.


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