1. #7201
    Honestly, we don't even need to argue the salute anymore, the EOs and what Trump is doing, and with that, what Musk "supports", is already telling what's going on.
    Basically exactly what the black and white gifs represent. You don't even need Musk next to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Everyone I don't like is a Nazi. Is that right?
    Our Femi has a direct rebuttal to this

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Everyone I don't like is a Nazi. Is that right?

    Can you show a video of them doing the same thing as Musk?

    It should be easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    And he's right to point out that it's not just about the gesture and we should not get too hung up on the gesture itself. It's that the gesture goes hand in hand with everything he's been saying for the last few years.
    On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomcookie View Post
    Can you show a video of them doing the same thing as Musk?

    It should be easy.
    Allow me to assist here to add the context to the Harris one -- At 36:05.

    https://www.youtube.com/live/GE0jmgGF0yk?t=1824s

    "We are not going back!" switches from a few fingers to having the full hand open as one would do to say "cut". Nowhere close to the South African with severe Auschwitzism.
    “You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.”― Malcolm X

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain N View Post
    Allow me to assist here to add the context to the Harris one -- At 36:05.

    https://www.youtube.com/live/GE0jmgGF0yk?t=1824s

    "We are not going back!" switches from a few fingers to having the full hand open as one would do to say "cut". Nowhere close to the South African with severe Auschwitzism.
    Look at that, not a Nazi salue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    I've watched the video and I'm having a hard time accepting that he was knowingly and deliberately doing a Nazi salute in front of the entire world like that. It would be such an obviously insane thing to do that I can't believe even a manchild troll like Musk would do it. I'm leaning towards the idea that he was expressing his excitement in a way that didn't have the intention that people are inferring, or am I being naive? I literally can't believe it.
    I've worked with many people with autism or various other neurodivigent conditions. Some with limited control of their motor skills when excited. Seen people who might actually knock something over, maybe couldn't quite raise their arms the way they wanted, on individual who would accidently tense up so bad any maybe poke themselves. Never have i ever seen someone do a damn roman salute on accident. It's too deliberate of a move to do on accident. Quite frankly insulting to people who may like motor control when they are over stimulated.

    At the end of the day he has the aptitude to speak for himself, realize the confusion, and say "I understand how that might have looked and I didn't mean to offend. I sincerely apologize" immediately after instead of all the bullshit that took place after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Never have i ever seen someone do a damn roman salute on accident. It's too deliberate of a move to do on accident. Quite frankly insulting to people who may like motor control when they are over stimulated.
    Ok, so it's not just me seeing a whole bunch of, "It's a Roman salute!" cope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    I've watched the video and I'm having a hard time accepting that he was knowingly and deliberately doing a Nazi salute in front of the entire world like that. It would be such an obviously insane thing to do that I can't believe even a manchild troll like Musk would do it. I'm leaning towards the idea that he was expressing his excitement in a way that didn't have the intention that people are inferring, or am I being naive? I literally can't believe it.
    If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

    If Ol' Musky did not have a history of saying nazi-like things...I would be more inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
    On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

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  10. #7210
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Everyone I don't like is a Nazi. Is that right?

    Nazis and the people that defended them used to get punched in the face. Lets get back to that

  11. #7211
    Quote Originally Posted by Fixxit the Gnome View Post
    Either he is evil and people shouldn't take anything he says seriously, or he's a moron and people shouldn't take anything he says seriously.
    Once again, for people like Trump, Musk, Zuckerburg, Bezos and others like them, you take them at face value. You ALWAYS take them at face value. Because they have no issue telling you what they are going to do.

    Best you get is it becomes a bluff and nothing happens. But the worst that happens is exactly what they said they were going to do. And I would rather be prepared for the worst than hope it is a bluff.

    Trump literally stated he was going to do the things he signed into EO. And people who supported him said "He wouldn't do those things.". Now he is doing those things.

    Same here. Musk literally hates labor laws(he wants slaves and has said as much without actually coming out and directly saying it), he hates regulations(he has stated as such), he wants no controls so that he can scam others or abuse others. To him, everyone else is lesser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodtable View Post
    Nazis and the people that defended them used to get punched in the face. Lets get back to that
    And this is why, if it were a still photo, I still would like to see the video. I have seen the video of all of those.

    They actively were waving. They didn't put their hand to their chest and pump it outwards with a straight palm facing downwards with the thumb tucked under. They actively were waving to the crowd as you can see with all 3 of them, no tucked thumb, arm is not straight and the like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33 View Post
    Honestly, we don't even need to argue the salute anymore, the EOs and what Trump is doing, and with that, what Musk "supports", is already telling what's going on.
    Basically exactly what the black and white gifs represent. You don't even need Musk next to it.
    And people on here and elsewhere said, "Oh, stop calling them Nazis. They won't do those things."

    People forget, the Nazis didn't do the things they did...

    ...until they did them. They didn't start off with just mass extermination of people. That was the end result.

    A large portion of the German people, some Jewish and otherwise, did support the Nazi regime because of pretty much the same bullshit reasons why the idiots today support Trump, Musk, etc.

    Thing is, when it comes to fascists(and that is what Trump, Musk, Zuckerburg and the like are), unless you are exactly like them, you will always be considered "The Others.". They might find you useful for a bit of time but sooner or later, you will be removed from their society. As you are not one of them. It doesn't matter if you bend the knee, it doesn't matter how much you do, it doesn't matter how loyal you are. You are not one of them and, because you aren't already one of them, you never will be one of them.

    The Arab community in Deerborn and elsewhere that voted for Trump is going to find this out firsthand. The Latino community that voted for Trump that will see their loved ones get deported, or themselves jailed because they harbored their loved ones, will find this out firsthand. The elderly community that will find out that their cheap/free healthcare that they were promised to be there is suddenly not so cheap or free(as we saw literally today) will find this out firsthand.

    Musk, like Trump, only knows grievance and greed. And, because of that, wants to punish and take from everyone else around them. To them, it is never enough nor will ever be enough.

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    om... dribbles broke free of the Brexit thread?
    Well, that sucks for everyone here that tries to have a conversation based on arguments.

  13. #7213
    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    I've worked with many people with autism or various other neurodivigent conditions. Some with limited control of their motor skills when excited. Seen people who might actually knock something over, maybe couldn't quite raise their arms the way they wanted, on individual who would accidently tense up so bad any maybe poke themselves. Never have i ever seen someone do a damn roman salute on accident. It's too deliberate of a move to do on accident. Quite frankly insulting to people who may like motor control when they are over stimulated.

    At the end of the day he has the aptitude to speak for himself, realize the confusion, and say "I understand how that might have looked and I didn't mean to offend. I sincerely apologize" immediately after instead of all the bullshit that took place after.
    He also did it twice and the second time it looked even more deliberate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    I've worked with many people with autism or various other neurodivigent conditions. Some with limited control of their motor skills when excited. Seen people who might actually knock something over, maybe couldn't quite raise their arms the way they wanted, on individual who would accidently tense up so bad any maybe poke themselves. Never have i ever seen someone do a damn roman salute on accident. It's too deliberate of a move to do on accident. Quite frankly insulting to people who may like motor control when they are over stimulated.

    At the end of the day he has the aptitude to speak for himself, realize the confusion, and say "I understand how that might have looked and I didn't mean to offend. I sincerely apologize" immediately after instead of all the bullshit that took place after.
    Remember, this was the actual response from Elon after a bit:

    https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ute-criticism/

    “Frankly, they need better dirty tricks,” Musk wrote on the social platform X, responding to a post describing the “salute hoax” as “just another part of the ‘dirty tricks campaign.’”
    “The ‘everyone is Hitler’ attack is sooo tired,” Musk added, with a sleeping emoji.
    No apology, no "Oh shit, I thought it looked different.", nothing even remotely an excuse.

    Literally, goes on the attack.

    So, much like with Trump, it must be true then that is EXACTLY what he was doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

    If Ol' Musky did not have a history of saying nazi-like things...I would be more inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
    And to piggyback off of that.....

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    If it's a "Roman Salute," just do it at work.

    Grocery store.

    Church.

    A synagogue!

    Just throw that shit everywhere.

    It's only a "Roman Salute," right?
    Last edited by Anastacy; 2025-01-22 at 05:04 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain N View Post
    Allow me to assist here to add the context to the Harris one -- At 36:05.

    https://www.youtube.com/live/GE0jmgGF0yk?t=1824s

    "We are not going back!" switches from a few fingers to having the full hand open as one would do to say "cut". Nowhere close to the South African with severe Auschwitzism.
    Like, this shit is trivial to debunk. So then you have the question; are people reposting that shit, like dribbles, in on the lies? Are they pushing the disinformation to protect their Nazi friends and allies? Or are they just gullible enough to fall for Nazi propaganda and bullshit without thinking for themselves?

    It's one of the two, and either way, they're the villain. The gullible ones were the Germans cheering at the Jews being marched en masse onto the trains to Auschwitz and jotting down notes to finger their neighbours to the SS when they get home, rather than "just" the Nazis working in Goebbels' office prepping the propaganda reels. And frankly, I don't think it's productive to play the "who was worse" game; both those groups were full-throated Nazis and deserve all the condemnation that label earns.

    Gullibly complicit or intentionally misleading. One of the two. There are no other options.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karreck View Post
    And to piggyback off of that.....
    It's also just tone-policing. It's an attempt to evade talking about the fact of what that salute was about to trying to attack the tone of those accusing.

    To paraphrase a Bill Burr comment; to any "Don't you think you've gone a little far with the Nazi stuff?" accusation, the only relevant response is "don't you think the Nazis went a little far?"

    Because if you're delivering Nazi salutes in basically any situation other than being an actor in a play or film playing a Nazi, you're a Nazi. We can quibble over the meaningless distinctions between "actual member of the Nazi Party of Germany" and "just sympathetic and supportive of Nazi ideology", but it's a waste of time; they're all Nazis. And if you're giving a Nazi salute, you're a Nazi. And if you're defending a guy giving a Nazi salute, you're a Nazi. I'll make allowances for those who were too afraid to speak out; if you were a Jewish family in Nazi Germany, nobody should condemn you for keeping quiet and hoping you aren't noticed. But any support of that ideology, in whatever framing it appears in? Yeah, you're just a fuckin' Nazi. Have some basic fucking human decency and either admit it or take some personal accountability for being a terrible person and start making changes. The first step being "stop defending or deflecting to protect Nazis". It shouldn't be a big ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anastacy View Post
    If it's a "Roman Salute," just do it at work.

    Church.

    Grocery store.

    Just throw that shit everywhere.

    It's only a "Roman Salute," right?
    Yep. If any of you seriously feel this way, throw that "gesture" out at work tomorrow a few times, especially if you work with the public or clients; make sure they see you do it.

    If you won't, you know why. And you're just lying to everyone else because you really wish you could get away with a little Sieg Heiling yourself, without consquence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33 View Post
    Honestly, we don't even need to argue the salute anymore, the EOs and what Trump is doing, and with that, what Musk "supports", is already telling what's going on.
    Basically exactly what the black and white gifs represent. You don't even need Musk next to it.
    What? Why? Just because he pardoned actual Nazis?
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

  19. #7219
    While certain groups are trying to claim it wasn't a nazi salute, do you know who is? Far right neo-nazi groups. They are more than happy to claim it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    While certain groups are trying to claim it wasn't a nazi salute, do you know who is? Far right neo-nazi groups. They are more than happy to claim it.
    They are also claiming Kamala did it too. But on video she didn't.

    https://imgur.com/gallery/no-she-did...he-did-SrlX5p4

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