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    Quote Originally Posted by ringpriest View Post
    He didn't just make an appearance, he addressed the AfD (see below) rally. He said, "children should not be guilty of the sins of their parents, let alone their great grandparents" and "There is too much focus on past guilt, and we need to move beyond that."
    Probably more alarming should be that he also said "It's good to be proud of German culture, German values, and not to lose that in some sort of multiculturalism that dilutes everything."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Probably more alarming should be that he also said "It's good to be proud of German culture, German values, and not to lose that in some sort of multiculturalism that dilutes everything."
    Oh, is the white south african a bit apartheiting here? What a surprise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Ok, then the article is for you.

    It covers both the context, and the issue.
    "But neither can I reject the possibility that the gesture — clasping his right hand to his chest and then throwing it out to the crowd — was an awkward attempt to embody what he said next: “My heart goes out to you.”

    The only thing I despise more than neo-nazi's are cunts who make excuses for them. Fuck every single person who is trying to downplay this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    Because hate speech without any intent to cause direct harm to a person is protected by the US Constitution. The same thing that protects that also protects people from being persecuted by their government for speaking out against their elected officials or leaders.

    Yes, it is disgusting that such speech is allowed but, at the same time, I don't want a government to determine what is and what isn't permissible to say without there being a direct verifiable threat against one or more people.
    From what I understand the people how plastered the image wont get in trouble either. My takeaway is how much the US tolerates Nazis and talking points that stemmed for that ideology even if just socially. How many US politicans regularly spout Nazi talking points? How many have to take a trip to a Holocaust musemum in their old ass age to finally "get it" only to forget lessons learned 6 months later? How many elected officials and pundents defended Musk's "roman salute"? Would Musk even be allowed to still enjoy all the government handouts he receives in any other country if he pulled his shit there? Not to change subjects too much but in another thread its been pointed out people will get blackballed for saying their support certain movements in the US, wearing kufiya in some places can get you fucked up, but Neo-Nazis are protected and can drap swatiskas over highways, you can parrot shit straight out of 1930s Germany without consequence but wear a pendant from your homeland and get lcensured in Congress. The US has a particularly hight tolerance for Nazis and Nazi rhetoric even from elected officials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    From what I understand the people how plastered the image wont get in trouble either. My takeaway is how much the US tolerates Nazis and talking points that stemmed for that ideology even if just socially. How many US politicans regularly spout Nazi talking points? How many have to take a trip to a Holocaust musemum in their old ass age to finally "get it" only to forget lessons learned 6 months later? How many elected officials and pundents defended Musk's "roman salute"? Would Musk even be allowed to still enjoy all the government handouts he receives in any other country if he pulled his shit there? Not to change subjects too much but in another thread its been pointed out people will get blackballed for saying their support certain movements in the US, wearing kufiya in some places can get you fucked up, but Neo-Nazis are protected and can drap swatiskas over highways, you can parrot shit straight out of 1930s Germany without consequence but wear a pendant from your homeland and get lcensured in Congress. The US has a particularly hight tolerance for Nazis and Nazi rhetoric even from elected officials.
    The US has a high tolerance for white people doing shit in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    So, the Nazi gesture pushback is getting to Musk. His own algorithm pretty much is pushing it right in his face.

    Hey Musk, if you didn't want pushback, you should have never done it. Even after a few weeks, people need to keep pushing it into his face over and over again.

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1882591207026512033
    Did... he just admit to doing a Nazi salute on Twitter? That's funny...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Nazi says Nazi things to Nazi crowd. News at 11, apparently.
    Funny thing, mentally retarded people were sent to take "showers", too. Why do people cheer Nazis on if they would be pretty much at the top of the list for death camps under Nazi rule? I'll never get that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Did... he just admit to doing a Nazi salute on Twitter? That's funny...

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    Funny thing, mentally retarded people were sent to take "showers", too. Why do people cheer Nazis on if they would be pretty much at the top of the list for death camps under Nazi rule? I'll never get that.
    There's subsections of almost every group that supports Nazis and will, for some reason, support said Nazis thinking "They'd never come for ME, I'm one of the good ones!" And we all know how that ends when nobody stands up and Nazis get a blank check to do what they want.

    We know why Elon Musk is a Nazi though, and not just his more recent overt Nazism. The signs have always been there. He's a breeder, he has an obsession with the preservation of "humanity", or more accurately, he has an obsession with the proliferation of his own genes. He's one of those weirdos who's absolutely obsessed with his "legacy", it's why he's constantly trying to talk about getting to Mars and having 14 kids with 5 different women or whatever it is now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    There's subsections of almost every group that supports Nazis and will, for some reason, support said Nazis thinking "They'd never come for ME, I'm one of the good ones!" And we all know how that ends when nobody stands up and Nazis get a blank check to do what they want.

    We know why Elon Musk is a Nazi though, and not just his more recent overt Nazism. The signs have always been there. He's a breeder, he has an obsession with the preservation of "humanity", or more accurately, he has an obsession with the proliferation of his own genes. He's one of those weirdos who's absolutely obsessed with his "legacy", it's why he's constantly trying to talk about getting to Mars and having 14 kids with 5 different women or whatever it is now.
    It's not that complicated, he is an insecure apartheid white baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timester View Post
    It's not that complicated, he is an insecure apartheid white baby.
    Schwarzenegger had Nazi parents and other Nazis around him during his childhood, but he called it a loser ideology, citing that in history they always eventually lose. He might not have the best politics but at least he knew fascism is an ideological dead end.

    Elon's hard swing from left to right started when his daughter came out as trans and a lot of the early radicalization from him was ranting about "sterilization" of trans people. He's a breeder, obsessed with the continuation of his genetics and their purity, and genetic purity is one of the cornerstones of Nazi ideology. It's one of the reasons LGBTQ people were among the first into camps in Nazi Germany, they were seen as genetic defects along with disabled people, unworthy of existing among the general populace.
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  10. #7410
    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    It's impossible to parody this, selecting only the headline of "The missing context," and not posting any of the provided context. I'm afraid the anti-Trump resistance has made it impossible to tell whether they're making fun of Elon for an awkward gesture, or they actually believe he's both evil and the kind of evil that intentionally does a Nazi salute.
    Can you twist any harder to defend a Nazi?

    We'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Ok, then the article is for you.

    It covers both the context, and the issue.
    Yep, looks like you will work harder to defend Nazis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    It's impossible to parody this, selecting only the headline of "The missing context," and not posting any of the provided context. I'm afraid the anti-Trump resistance has made it impossible to tell whether they're making fun of Elon for an awkward gesture, or they actually believe he's both evil and the kind of evil that intentionally does a Nazi salute.
    Why do you defend nazis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    Why do you defend nazis?
    I mean he defends pedophiles, rapists, and genocide -- what's one more heinous act?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    Why do you defend nazis?
    Like the article's writer lays out, I think the evidence is weak that he's a Nazi. I'm also really having a hard time believing people actually are making this case in good faith. It sounds more like trolling on the internet, a kind of permutation of "Fuck Trump" into "mask-slip he's got actual nazis on the inauguration podium." Shriek at the bad men and call them evil, and everything following proves the hypothesis.

    Now, in spite of this reeking of in-group performance, specifically performative outrage, I am open to being convinced that people really do believe Elon Musk is an actually Nazi intending to show his fans a Nazi salute (and being understood by them to have done it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Like the article's writer lays out, I think the evidence is weak that he's a Nazi. I'm also really having a hard time believing people actually are making this case in good faith. It sounds more like trolling on the internet, a kind of permutation of "Fuck Trump" into "mask-slip he's got actual nazis on the inauguration podium." Shriek at the bad men and call them evil, and everything following proves the hypothesis.

    Now, in spite of this reeking of in-group performance, specifically performative outrage, I am open to being convinced that people really do believe Elon Musk is an actually Nazi intending to show his fans a Nazi salute (and being understood by them to have done it).
    You also think the evidence is weak that Trump is a rapist, while having a rapist as your avatar.

    Those people did provide all sorts of evidence, but you don't seem to remember that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Like the article's writer lays out, I think the evidence is weak that he's a Nazi. I'm also really having a hard time believing people actually are making this case in good faith. It sounds more like trolling on the internet, a kind of permutation of "Fuck Trump" into "mask-slip he's got actual nazis on the inauguration podium." Shriek at the bad men and call them evil, and everything following proves the hypothesis.

    Now, in spite of this reeking of in-group performance, specifically performative outrage, I am open to being convinced that people really do believe Elon Musk is an actually Nazi intending to show his fans a Nazi salute (and being understood by them to have done it).
    No, you're not. You're not open to that at all. As can be seen by how you're denying he gave a Nazi salute. Germany knows it was a Nazi salute, and has to censor it being shown. Not to mention the overt support Musk has given to many Nazi-adjacent movements like the AfD. Or the many Nazi-type things he's ideologically supported for the past few years. You're ignoring all of that, because you don't want to believe he's a Nazi. You're denying what's right in front of your face, for ideological reasons alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomcookie View Post
    You also think the evidence is weak that Trump is a rapist, while having a rapist as your avatar.
    Like, it's not a matter of evidence on that point.

    He objectively is a rapist. It's a statement of determinable fact, not an opinion. Not unless you want to get into "maybe we're all brains in vats and reality is just a simulation" level navel-gazing, which is useless as fuck; that would just means he's a simulation of a rapist, and that's as "real" as the Sun itself, or the floor beneath your feet.


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    I'm just sayin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    I'm just sayin...

    We as a society failed when Nazis stopped being the go-to recurring villain in movies.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    We as a society failed when Nazis stopped being the go-to recurring villain in movies.
    Every time Wolfenstein is called a woke DEI infested game, they're telling you exactly what they are. The protagonist is a gigachad white male and there's no POC in it. If someone dislikes wolfenstein on a political level you know exactly why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Now, in spite of this reeking of in-group performance, specifically performative outrage, I am open to being convinced that people really do believe Elon Musk is an actually Nazi intending to show his fans a Nazi salute (and being understood by them to have done it).
    I don't necessarily think he's actually a Nazi (I'm not sure he's particularly ideological at all), but I do think he intentionally did a 'sieg heil' salute. It's been pretty clear that he's been trying to appeal to the right/far right (including calling replacement theory "the actual truth"), particularly since riiiiiight before sexual harassment allegations about him came out (toooootallly a coincidence), so I think he was mostly just meme-ing for "the lulz" or whatever- not that it makes it any better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gestopft View Post
    I don't necessarily think he's actually a Nazi (I'm not sure he's particularly ideological at all), but I do think he intentionally did a 'sieg heil' salute. It's been pretty clear that he's been trying to appeal to the right/far right (including calling replacement theory "the actual truth"), particularly since riiiiiight before sexual harassment allegations about him came out (toooootallly a coincidence), so I think he was mostly just meme-ing for "the lulz" or whatever- not that it makes it any better.
    He's not a Third Reich Nazi, but he is a 4chan "ironic" Nazi who constantly reposts Nazi conspiracy theories, white replacement theory, anti Jewish rhetoric while simultaneously backing Israel's genocide, etc.

    He's an armband away from just being a Nazi.
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