Elon Musk Buys Twitter

[Ivanstone]

That doesn't mean that they were viewed as innocent of being a Nazi.

But in the interest of world peace after 6 years of war, many were set free, though the infrastructure of the Nazi party was thoroughly dismantled and various laws were created to oppose the resurgence of that ideology.

But it does mean that some people received different treatment than others.

[Endus]

Well, here's why I can't tell with you....

No I keep pointing out that not everyone deserves the same judgment.

Where did I say "same judgement", again?

It's exhausting when you insist on tilting solely at strawmen of your own invention, rather than responding to the actual arguments you're presented with.

Because not everyone has the same motivations. Because not everyone has the same motivations, they don't get the same remedies for their mistakes. Which I thought was fucking obvious.

It is. And no one argued against this.

It's just that the judgement you get for "being a Nazi" or "supporting cannibalism" is gonna be pretty fuckin' significant, because by doing so you're a pretty damned evil person.

Some other people may face even greater judgements, may even be deemed irredeemable. That's a completely separate point we weren't talking about, but you keep building it up as a straw man.

When Germany was rebuilt a bunch of Germans were either killed or imprisoned for their crimes. However the rest were given the opportunity for a new future even though the were "evil" "nazis".

And Germany was occupied by Allied forces in an interim period to rebuild that society and stamp out any identifiable trace of Nazism before they were allowed to self-govern again. Because as a society, they had collectively failed and could not be simply trusted to do better by themselves.

Because most of them had been Nazis. Not every member of society, but every member who supported that society, rather than merely surviving it.

"Being a Nazi" wasn't deemed enough for legal penalties alone. It took greater involvement for that. But "being a Nazi" wasn't innocence, either.

Congrats, your example proves my point.

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Fucker is larping as a nazi right now.

No, he's a Nazi. No "larping" whatsoever.

This is why people are calling you a Nazi apologist, dude. Shit like this.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

A lot of Trump supporters are being chased by Leopards right now. I'm hoping they change their ways before the Leopard gets them.

Chased by the same leopards that they were perfectly happy to let loose on others.



3:19

Clown 1: Where's the Alarm Guy?
Clown 2: Boss told me when the guy was done I should take him out. One less share, right?
Clown 1: Funny. He told me something similar.
Clown 2: Wha.... NO! NO!

These people that you are hoping will change their ways are just now realizing they are just as expendable as the Alarm Guy

[PhaelixWW]

Again its not a single issue and not everyone is reasonable. Ignorance isn't the same as cannibalism.

The issues are inextricably linked in one political party, and being unreasonable is also not an excuse.

Saying "I agree to making cannibalism legal" is as close as you can get to being as culpable for cannibalism as you can get without being an actual cannibal.

Just questioning your commitment to a nuanced argument when dealing with people who have a variety of opinions. Especially if those opinions are weird or even contradictory.

When one side is cannibalism/genocide, it destroys nuance. At that point, it simply becomes about the evil, and the "fiscal responsibility" is just a distraction, not a nuance.

I'm questioning your ability to have a reasoned argument if you can't see that.

One reason we ameliorate those conditions is because we don't want people to resort to desperate actions. Like listening to a clown who confidently proclaims he'll fix all of their problems.

And an even more important reason why we don't let people get away with claiming that they shouldn't be held accountable for supporting genocide due to a different motive is because then everyone would simply claim a different motive and expect the same leniency.

We don't negotiate with terrorists.

But it does mean that some people received different treatment than others.

They were given home release in an occupied country, their government was dismantled, and the trappings of their party were made illegal.

And that was the somewhat lenient response given the end of a war in which ~75 million people died.

Tell you what: next time the world faces a similar situation, we'll talk about potential leniency.

[Mayhem]

How did Stalin get into power?
How did Hitler get into power?
How did Hamas get into power?
How did Trump get into power?

Some believed their shittiest parts. Others believed the lie. These two types of people are very different people and shouldn’t be treated the same. The second group can at least be educated. The first group will probably need a healthy dose of MDMA.

If the people ignore the shit that happens, they ignore the shit that happens, it's really that simple. No Trump supporter can claim they didn't know what he was going to do because cheeto in chief told it, more than once and they applauded or shrugged.

[Dontrike]

Some believed their shittiest parts. Others believed the lie. These two types of people are very different people and shouldn’t be treated the same. The second group can at least be educated. The first group will probably need a healthy dose of MDMA.

"The idiots that supported them, because they're idiots, are different than these other idiots that fully believe in it." That's not better.

[Fugus]

Just wanted to respond to the Larping as a nazi bit.

There is no larping as a nazi just like there is no larping as a rapist or porn actor if you are actively doing those acts. And supporting nazi’s or their stuff makes you a nazi sympathizer at best which is still a Nazi.

The only way you can larp as a Nazi is if you are in a play or movie where everything is fake. But if you are out in public pushing to support Nazis and even profiting from those nazis, you’re Nazi. You might be the Nazi equivalent of “Gay for Pay” but you’re still a Nazi.

And as for people finding out, I am still waiting for the ones I know who supported him to all find out since they all basically are in the direct path of everything he wants to destroy and I personally warned them of that only for them to ignore me while refusing to fact check anything.

[MCMLXXXII]

I would see it as LARPing if Elon would show up in a SS uniform on a Halloween party. It still would be distasteful. Or it would be if he just casually did the salute and laughed.
But the way he did the salute AND the fact he's backing dubious political movements AND his rhetoric on X, definitely disqualifies this as LARPing.

[Shadowferal]

*nods*
He doesn't need to say it. He just has to show it. And he does.

[Attackrabbit]

FYI, the chud owned godisageek, the gaming website. The entire staff resigned and will doing something elsewhere, because they're decent peeps and not nazis.

He also had his own programme on GBNews (our version of Fox or maybe OAN I guess) that he managed to get fired from for being a ginormous arsehole and was not allowed to be ordained in the Church Of England due to his political beliefs. Sounds like an all round great chap ^^

[Edge-]

He also had his own programme on GBNews (our version of Fox or maybe OAN I guess) that he managed to get fired from for being a ginormous arsehole and was not allowed to be ordained in the Church Of England due to his political beliefs. Sounds like an all round great chap ^^

conservative politics does appear to attract the best, most moral people

[Cthulhu 2020]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...yment-systems/

The highest-ranking Treasury official is expected to depart soon after a clash with Elon Musk allies over their demands for access to a sensitive internal government payment system, sources say.

Musk allies wanted access to the system responsible for disbursing trillions in fed payments annually as part of DOGE.

Treasury career staff saw request as highly unusual.

David A. Lebryk, viewed internally as consummate nonpolitical civil servant, expected to exit after joining Treasury in 1989. Last week, he was acting treasury secretary.


I think it's safe to say that if Elon Musk gets his hands on the system responsible for distributing governmental money, it's probably joever. Whoever controls the purse gets to call the shots. Without money, people don't work unless it's volunteer pro bono. They can decide who to pay and who not to pay.

Fuck this country if Elon Musk ever gets access to one of the most important money distribution systems in our country. Fuck this country if Democrats just let it happen.

People seem to forget that the Nazis didn't suddenly just roll over the entire country in one day. They started to gain popularity in the 1920s, and slow, steady use of propaganda as well as gradual ousting of political opponents and taking over every governmental system, one by one, day by day, month by month, it only came to a head in 1940.

[Edge-]

please let the south african man loot the american government

[Cthulhu 2020]

please let the south african man loot the american government

As someone who lives here, I really hope it doesn't happen, but part of me also knows that we're not going to get the social progress we really need until people see just how awful the Nazis really are for the rest of us.

But let's be real here, even if Democrats suddenly find their spine and draft up charges in the house, even if they go to the courts, even if the courts rule against Elon Musk, nothing is going to happen when the executive is the one tasked with carrying out those punishments. Unless Trump is impeached and removed, the oligarchs are about to start looting the US government for their own benefit, leaving the rest of America to pick up the bill.

[DarkTZeratul]

But let's be real here, even if Democrats suddenly find their spine and draft up charges in the house, even if they go to the courts, even if the courts rule against Elon Musk, nothing is going to happen when the executive is the one tasked with carrying out those punishments. Unless Trump is impeached and removed, the oligarchs are about to start looting the US government for their own benefit, leaving the rest of America to pick up the bill.

The problem is that we actually need the Republicans to find a spine and draft up charges, because crucially they're the ones in charge, and until they develop the courage, or conscience, to do so, Johnson and Thune can simply block any attempt by the Democrats to hold anyone accountable at all.

[Karreck]

Well this boding fucking well.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/mus...ay-2025-01-31/

WASHINGTON, Jan 31 (Reuters) - Aides to Elon Musk charged with running the U.S. government human resources agency have locked career civil servants out of computer systems that contain the personal data of millions of federal employees, according to two agency officials.
Since taking office 11 days ago, President Donald Trump has embarked on a massive government makeover, firing and sidelining hundreds of civil servants in his first steps toward downsizing the bureaucracy and installing more loyalists.
Musk, the billionaire Tesla (TSLA.O)
, opens new tab CEO and X owner tasked by Trump to slash the size of the 2.2 million-strong civilian government workforce, has moved swiftly to install allies at the agency known as the Office of Personnel Management.
The two officials, who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity for fear of retaliation, said some senior career employees at OPM have had their access revoked to some of the department's data systems.
The systems include a vast database called Enterprise Human Resources Integration, which contains dates of birth, Social Security numbers, appraisals, home addresses, pay grades and length of service of government workers, the officials said.
"We have no visibility into what they are doing with the computer and data systems," one of the officials said. "That is creating great concern. There is no oversight. It creates real cybersecurity and hacking implications."
Officials affected by the move can still log on and access functions such as email but can no longer see the massive datasets that cover every facet of the federal workforce.
Musk, OPM, representatives of the new team, and the White House did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
OPM has sent out memos that eschew the normal dry wording of government missives as it encourages civil servants to consider buyout offers to quit and take a vacation to a "dream destination."
Don Moynihan, a professor at the Ford School of Public Policy at the University of Michigan, said the actions inside OPM raised concerns about congressional oversight at the agency and how Trump and Musk view the federal bureaucracy.
"This makes it much harder for anyone outside Musk's inner circle at OPM to know what's going on," Moynihan said.
MUSK INFLUENCE
A team including current and former employees of Musk assumed command of OPM on Jan. 20, the day Trump took office. They have moved sofa beds onto the fifth floor of the agency's headquarters, which contains the director's office and can only be accessed with a security badge or a security escort, one of the OPM employees said.
The sofa beds have been installed so the team can work around the clock, the employee said.
Musk, a major donor to a famously demanding boss, installed beds at X for employees to enable them to work longer when in 2022 he took over the social media platform, formerly known as Twitter.
"It feels like a hostile takeover," the employee said.
The new appointees in charge of OPM have moved the agency's chief management officer, Katie Malague, out of her office and to a new office on a different floor, the officials said.
Malague did not respond to a request for comment.
The moves by Musk's aides at OPM, and upheaval inside the Treasury building caused by other Musk aides that was reported on Friday, underscore the sweeping influence Musk is having across government.
David Lebryk, the top-ranking career U.S. Treasury Department official, is set to leave his post following a clash with allies of Musk after they asked for access to payment systems, the Washington Post reported on Friday.
The new team at OPM includes software engineers and Brian Bjelde, who joined Musk's SpaceX venture in 2003 as an avionics engineer before rising to become the company's vice president of human resources. Bjelde's role at OPM is that of a senior adviser.
The acting head of OPM, Charles Ezell, has been sending memos to the entire government workforce since Trump took office, including Tuesday's offering federal employees the chance to quit with eight months pay.
"No-one here knew that the memos were coming out. We are finding out about these memos the same time as the rest of the world," one of the officials said.
Among the group that now runs OPM is Amanda Scales, a former Musk employee, who is now OPM's chief of staff. In some memos sent out on Jan. 20 and Jan. 21 by Ezell, including one directing agencies to identify federal workers on probationary periods, agency heads were asked to email Scales at her OPM email address.
Another senior adviser is Riccardo Biasini, a former engineer at Tesla and most recently a director at The Boring Company, Musk's tunnel-building operation in Las Vegas.

[Edge-]

Well this boding fucking well.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/mus...ay-2025-01-31/

if this is true this is actual like "the enemy is inside the whitehouse" territory

for all we know it could be siphoned to russia, china, or anyone. it could be fed into elon's twitter ai.

this is extremely dangerous

[Cthulhu 2020]

if this is true this is actual like "the enemy is inside the whitehouse" territory

for all we know it could be siphoned to russia, china, or anyone. it could be fed into elon's twitter ai.

this is extremely dangerous

I mean, I've been saying that Elon Musk is in Putin's pocket since he secured billions in funding from Russian banks for the acquisition of Twitter. Looks like Putin finally won. Russia played America's "red scare" propaganda against us considering that cries of communism and socialism being the root of all evil are what pushed a lot of people right.

Oh well, hope the American right likes being Russia's bitch.

[Surfd]

Like, this kind of shit should be setting off every warning bell and internal alarm out there. I mean, fuck, does Musk even have security clearance to be allowed access to the kinds of shit he's grabbing at?

[Edge-]

Like, this kind of shit should be setting off every warning bell and internal alarm out there. I mean, fuck, does Musk even have security clearance to be allowed access to the kinds of shit he's grabbing at?

Donald determines who ultimately gets clearance, regardless of if they're constantly high on ketamine or not. There are alarm bells going off, the Reuters report is one of those alarm bells.

I do hope we'll see Democrats "DO SOMETHING" soon. I admit I haven't been closely following politics but they seem rather passive in their opposition so far.