Elon Musk Buys Twitter

[Biglog]

Yes that seems to be a misperception that Blue Origin and Virgin Galactic are comparable to SpaceX, but they are not. They are much more like (well funded) amateur rocket hobbyists compared to SpaceX. Both companies have only sent rockets to very low orbits, while SpaceX is landing and reusing boosters routinely now, servicing ISS, working on Mars missions, while going exponentially higher and further. Blue Origin is just barely reaching the Karman Line so they can have tourists pay for trips and technically say they went to "space". Apples and oranges compared to what SpaceX is doing. Blue Origin is something that literally Jeff Bezos decided to do for fun because he said he didn't know what else to spend his money on (true story), so he thought it would be exciting to build a rocket and go up to space.

Elon's convinced that humanity's #1 priority should be making humans multiplanetary to reduce the risk of extinction from an ELE or series of ELEs. Every company he has created including Tesla, StarLink, Boring Company, etc. is for the purpose of helping fund the SpaceX missions to Mars towards that goal. It's a dark philosophy in a way. But he's got a point, there are plenty of ELE risks from WMD global war, large asteroids, disease, natural disaster, etc. He also is concerned about stability of our society once fossil fuels finally run out, probably before the end of this century. And in the distant future even if somehow none of those happen we know that Earth does have an expiration date when our sun burns out.

I guess it's probably fitting that in the 21st century, the leading visionary/genius of our time is also an ahole. And he deserves a lot of the negativity. But especially with the way the the world has been trending, significantly accelerating human life on another planet before something worse happens here is something that we should all understand the importance of.

[Draco-Onis]

Yes that seems to be a misperception that Blue Origin and Virgin Galactic are comparable to SpaceX, but they are not. They are much more like (well funded) amateur rocket hobbyists compared to SpaceX. Both companies have only sent rockets to very low orbits, while SpaceX is landing and reusing boosters routinely now, servicing ISS, working on Mars missions, while going exponentially higher and further. Blue Origin is just barely reaching the Karman Line so they can have tourists pay for trips and technically say they went to "space". Apples and oranges compared to what SpaceX is doing. Blue Origin is something that literally Jeff Bezos decided to do for fun because he said he didn't know what else to spend his money on (true story), so he thought it would be exciting to build a rocket and go up to space.

Elon's convinced that humanity's #1 priority should be making humans multiplanetary to reduce the risk of extinction from an ELE or series of ELEs. Every company he has created including Tesla, StarLink, Boring Company, etc. is for the purpose of helping fund the SpaceX missions to Mars towards that goal. It's a dark philosophy in a way. But he's got a point, there are plenty of ELE risks from WMD global war, large asteroids, disease, natural disaster, etc. He also is concerned about stability of our society once fossil fuels finally run out, probably before the end of this century. And in the distant future even if somehow none of those happen we know that Earth does have an expiration date when our sun burns out.

I guess it's probably fitting that in the 21st century, the leading visionary/genius of our time is also an ahole. And he deserves a lot of the negativity. But especially with the way the the world has been trending, significantly accelerating human life on another planet before something worse happens here is something that we should all understand the importance of.

I would like to point out the giant asteroid size problem with the vision of our so called "genius", if we have the technology to become a multi planetary species then extinction events would not be an issue. It's rather ludicrous to think that we would have the ability to terraform another planet yet be unable to do the same to our own which is in better shape. We can easily deflect asteroids because another bigger planet would have the same issues and conflicts from earth would carry over to wherever we go.

Let's face it his "vision" is that of creating a society where he is the overlord and everyone slaves under him.

[s_bushido]

Elon's convinced that humanity's #1 priority should be making humans multiplanetary to reduce the risk of extinction from an ELE or series of ELEs. Every company he has created including Tesla, StarLink, Boring Company, etc. is for the purpose of helping fund the SpaceX missions to Mars towards that goal. It's a dark philosophy in a way. But he's got a point, there are plenty of ELE risks from WMD global war, large asteroids, disease, natural disaster, etc. He also is concerned about stability of our society once fossil fuels finally run out, probably before the end of this century. And in the distant future even if somehow none of those happen we know that Earth does have an expiration date when our sun burns out.

lol...

Imagine believing that his motivation for that shit is anything other than money.

[Endus]

Let's face it his "vision" is that of creating a society where he is the overlord and everyone slaves under him.

That's literally just all capitalism. You've noticed Musk is a capitalist, both in action and ideology.

It isn't even new. Musk's just Edison 2.0.

[Poopymonster]

lol...

Imagine believing that his motivation for that shit is anything other than money.

Money and saving his own ass. If an ELE happens in the near future, all that money won't mean shit.

[cubby]

Well that’s certainly hyperbolic. The US would be in the astronaut business even if I traveled back in time and murdered Elon before he could become the evil POS he is now.

No, it's not. Please feel free to lay out your argument if you feel like you actually disagree rather than put forth some BS unrealistic situation.

At the moment, the only way the United States can put humans into space is with SpaceX.

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I know peopel like to shit on Elon, but come on. Its a huge difference in reach space and reach orbit. The first is to go up a hill, the second is to climb Everest. Blue Orgin did start 2000 and have still not gone to orbit. SpaceX was founded 2002, and did reach orbit 9 years ago. SpaceX is in a league of there own.

Not to mention they are relanding rockets and have reduced cost/list capacity by an order of magnitude.

[Draco-Onis]

No, it's not. Please feel free to lay out your argument if you feel like you actually disagree rather than put forth some BS unrealistic situation.

At the moment, the only way the United States can put humans into space is with SpaceX.

I agree with you the United States is no longer in the business of space exploration has been the case for decades sadly which is why it has been privatized. The lack of funding for space exploration is a great detriment to humanity, other countries are picking the slack but the US had a head start and just given up.

[Draco-Onis]

Might want to go ahead and check up on JWST. That SpaceX didn’t launch.

I am obviously referring to funding and the number of projects under NASA compared to the past.

[Edge-]

https://www.axios.com/2022/06/06/elon-musk-twitter

It's not final yet, but it sounds like Musk is about to pull out of the deal.

Fuckin called it. Twitter played the game of chicken with him and didn't blink like he expected, so he's been spending the past month or so desperately searching for ways to back out of the deal while saving as much face as possible, because Twitter was never supposed to accept his troll to begin with.

[Forogil]

https://www.axios.com/2022/06/06/elon-musk-twitter

It's not final yet, but it sounds like Musk is about to pull out of the deal.

Well, if you look at their flow-chart it seems that Musk will attempt to pull out, and end up in court where Twitter is fairly likely to be granted "specific performance" and Musk being forced to buy anyway or pay several billions to walk away.

https://www.axios.com/2022/05/14/the...witter-endgame

[Spectral]

I agree with you the United States is no longer in the business of space exploration has been the case for decades sadly which is why it has been privatized. The lack of funding for space exploration is a great detriment to humanity, other countries are picking the slack but the US had a head start and just given up.

The United States spends more on space investments than the rest of the world put together.

Perhaps they should spend even more, but if the United States has "given up", that speaks volumes about how trivial and insignificant the efforts of other nations are.

[Attackrabbit]

Pretty sure the US also spends more militarily than the rest of the world put together, doesn't make other countries armies (or even loose collections of terrorists) trivial or insignificant :s

[Draco-Onis]

The United States spends more on space investments than the rest of the world put together.

Perhaps they should spend even more, but if the United States has "given up", that speaks volumes about how trivial and insignificant the efforts of other nations are.

It's half of that we spent as a percentage of the federal budget at its peak other nations mostly rely on the US for everything. Our main competitor the USSR is gone which was the main driver and China is a developing nation which is in the starting phase.

[cubby]

Same as what we have done previously. Hitch rides on other rockets. Or we’d use the money spent on SpaceX either at NASA or another company. Pretending Musk is the only way people get to space is just ridiculous. I thought you were smarter than this,

What's really ridiculous is you dying on this hill. Please name for us the other agencies currently sending US astronauts to ISS. We'll wait.

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Yes, Elon, thank you for employing people that did all the work. Good man.

This kind of willful ignorance of how companies work is getting silly. Hate Musk for all his awfulness (and his awfulness seems to get worse every day). But don't embarrass yourself intellectually by continuing this ridiculous line of thought.

Musk's vision for SpaceX is the only reason it worked. He brought it all together.

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https://www.axios.com/2022/06/06/elon-musk-twitter

It's not final yet, but it sounds like Musk is about to pull out of the deal.

Fuckin called it. Twitter played the game of chicken with him and didn't blink like he expected, so he's been spending the past month or so desperately searching for ways to back out of the deal while saving as much face as possible, because Twitter was never supposed to accept his troll to begin with.

Looks like he's trying to back out with an agreement clause that may not say what he think it does. Will be interesting and funny to watch him fall on his face.

(reading that link it makes it seem like he hasn't officially/formally pulled out yet - I might be missing something)

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The United States spends more on space investments than the rest of the world put together.

Perhaps they should spend even more, but if the United States has "given up", that speaks volumes about how trivial and insignificant the efforts of other nations are.

NASA seems to be moving out of the space exploration business and into the management/policing of companies that are doing space exploration. Should be an interesting couple of decades.

[Edge-]

Looks like he's trying to back out with an agreement clause that may not say what he think it does. Will be interesting and funny to watch him fall on his face.

(reading that link it makes it seem like he hasn't officially/formally pulled out yet - I might be missing something)

Not official yet, but very much seems like he's continuing to lay the groundwork for his narrative on why he pulled out because, "I was just trolling the FEC and never actually expected Twitter to accept my offer." doesn't sound very good, and would probably result in another settlement with the FEC where they wag their finger at him and tell him to stop manipulating the markets...again.

[Fantomen]

Twitter played the game of chicken with him and didn't blink like he expected,

None of us know exactly how the contract is writen. Kevin goes through what is public known. Its up to the legal systems to make a interpretation of who is right.

[Edge-]

None of us know exactly how the contract is writen. Kevin goes through what is public known. Its up to the legal systems to make a interpretation of who is right.

No clue who this guy is, but this has been my position on the matter since Twitter accepted his offer a month or two ago. Offering $54.20 per share sure seems pretty trolly.

[Fantomen]

Same as what we have done previously. Hitch rides on other rockets. Or we’d use the money spent on SpaceX either at NASA or another company

Do you have any clue of the space industry? Do you think its political possible or sound to buy new seats from Russia? What other space company? Boeing did get more money then SpaceX and have still not yet completed there Starliner.

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No clue who this guy is, but this has been my position on the matter since Twitter accepted his offer a month or two ago. Offering $54.20 per share sure seems pretty trolly.

That was fast, did you realy watch the clip? Yes or no?

[Edge-]

That was fast, did you realy watch the clip? Yes or no?

Nope, just stating that this has been my position from the get-go as soon as it was announced that there was a deal being written. This isn't a legal argument about the contract because I haven't seen the contract and don't really care what's in it. Its content is irrelevant to my contention that Musk never had any real desire to purchase Twitter to begin with.

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Uhhhhhh https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2022...y-iss-roundup/

Docked at the ISS last month. Whoops.

Kinda sorta. They had their first successful test after years of problems, which is good. But it's far from ready for actual use with people. That being said, it's still a far more expensive option than SpaceX is and honestly, using SpaceX continues to be the best decision right now given that they already have a program up and running and have the costs in the gutter.

There are other options for sending things into space, but for most manned missions SpaceX and Dragon is going to remain the cheapest/most reliable option right now.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

That was fast, did you realy watch the clip? Yes or no?

I watched the video...and it doesn't address anything that Edge is talking about. What it discusses is that Musk may still have legit ways of backing out of the deal that will give him cover from potential lawsuits.