Elon Musk Buys Twitter

[Draco-Onis]

Tesla speeds up odometers to avoid warranty repairs, US lawsuit claims

Tesla (TSLA.O), faces a proposed class action claiming it speeds up odometers on its electric vehicles so they fall out of warranty faster, saving Elon Musk's company from having to pay for repairs.

The plaintiff Nyree Hinton alleged that Tesla odometer readings reflect energy consumption, driver behavior and "predictive algorithms" rather than actual mileage driven.
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He said the odometer on the 2020 Model Y he bought in December 2022 with 36,772 miles on the clock ran at least 15% fast, based on his other vehicles and driving history, and for a while said he drove 72 miles a day when at most he drove 20.
Hinton, a Los Angeles resident, said this caused his 50,000-mile basic warranty to expire well ahead of schedule, leaving him with a $10,000 suspension repair bill that he thought Tesla should cover.

"By tying warranty limits and lease mileage caps to inflated 'odometer' readings, Tesla increases repair revenue, reduces warranty obligations, and compels consumers to purchase extended warranties prematurely," the complaint said.
Tesla and its lawyer did not immediately respond on Thursday to requests for comment, but have denied all material allegations in the lawsuit. The Austin, Texas-based company does not have a media relations office.

Hinton is seeking compensatory and punitive damages for Tesla drivers in California, potentially encompassing more than 1 million vehicles, court papers show.
Tesla moved his lawsuit this month to Los Angeles federal court from a state court in that city.
The automaker has also faced litigation accusing it of inflating vehicle driving ranges.
In March 2024, a federal judge in Oakland, California said drivers in that case must pursue their claims in individual arbitrations, not a class action.
The case is Hinton v Tesla Inc et al, U.S. District Court, Central District of California, No. 25-02877.

Also note these shenanigans makes your Tesla worth less when you resale it because the odomoter is fudged.

[NZephyrus]

Tesla speeds up odometers to avoid warranty repairs, US lawsuit claims

Also note these shenanigans makes your Tesla worth less when you resale it because the odomoter is fudged.

Also worth noting that intentionally tampering with an odometer (or selling/etc a device intended to do so) is a felony.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/32703

That's the federal law, it's also apparently a state-level law for all 50 states as well.

[Odinfrost]

It suddenly starts to make sense why Elon is stepping down from DOGE outside of stopping himself from making people hate him more.
He's gonna spend *so much time* in a courtroom and hearings, company meetings and lawyer meetings to deal with that.

And I hope he lose gloriously

[Bwgmon]

It suddenly starts to make sense why Elon is stepping down from DOGE outside of stopping himself from making people hate him more.
He's gonna spend *so much time* in a courtroom and hearings, company meetings and lawyer meetings to deal with that.

And I hope he lose gloriously

It'll be very funny if he gets pardoned for his federal crimes just for whatever state he's in at the moment to roll up and go "Hey bud, we're here for all the shit you can't be pardoned for. Back in the courthouse."

[gondrin]

So, Musk wants EV credits removed because, well, this happens. Slate Auto, a company Jeff Bezos is backing, is basically going to put a no frills electric truck on the road that starts out at $20k. You can customize it and the price would go up accordingly. With actual tax credits, it could drop it below $20k. This along with the Chinese EVs, Musk is going to be in for a hard time.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...d=BingNewsVerp

[PhaelixWW]

So, Musk wants EV credits removed because, well, this happens. Slate Auto, a company Jeff Bezos is backing, is basically going to put a no frills electric truck on the road that starts out at $20k. You can customize it and the price would go up accordingly. With actual tax credits, it could drop it below $20k. This along with the Chinese EVs, Musk is going to be in for a hard time.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...d=BingNewsVerp

Most importantly: it doesn't look like a shiny TrumpsterDumpster.

[Edge-]

Most importantly: it doesn't look like a shiny TrumpsterDumpster.

honestly that's a compact truck i would drive. bed's small for a work truck and all, but for a very cheap electric vehicle that looks very functional. i fucking hate bezos but at least that doesn't look aggressively stupid and come with an enormous price tag. it just looks boring and comes with a fairly reasonable price tag - to start with.

I saw that earlier and liked it, like it a bit less knowing bezos is connected to it. But still better than the 6-figure death machine.

[gondrin]

honestly that's a compact truck i would drive. bed's small for a work truck and all, but for a very cheap electric vehicle that looks very functional. i fucking hate bezos but at least that doesn't look aggressively stupid and come with an enormous price tag. it just looks boring and comes with a fairly reasonable price tag - to start with.

I saw that earlier and liked it, like it a bit less knowing bezos is connected to it. But still better than the 6-figure death machine.

What? You don't like the truck that actively gets racoons confused that they aren't dumpsters? Or that claim they can offroad but can get stuck anytime it goes offroad(best is people bringing it and driving it on the beach forgetting that it weighs as much as a F350 without the height to get unstuck)? Or the claim that it is bulletproof but yet fall apart just driving down the road? Or that it will actively lock someone in when there is a fire?

[DarkTZeratul]

honestly that's a compact truck i would drive. bed's small for a work truck and all, but for a very cheap electric vehicle that looks very functional. i fucking hate bezos but at least that doesn't look aggressively stupid and come with an enormous price tag. it just looks boring and comes with a fairly reasonable price tag - to start with.

I saw that earlier and liked it, like it a bit less knowing bezos is connected to it. But still better than the 6-figure death machine.

The 150-mile range is a serious drawback, though. That's gonna be a dealbreaker for a lot of people, especially the kind of people who might have a genuine use for a solid pickup truck.

[gondrin]

The 150-mile range is a serious drawback, though. That's gonna be a dealbreaker for a lot of people, especially the kind of people who might have a genuine use for a solid pickup truck.

Well, for a cheaper alternative, it would be a good "around the town" truck type thing where you don't take long trips.

But the fact is that Musk said there is no reason to bring a cheaper alternative to the market and well, this shows there is.

[PhaelixWW]

The 150-mile range is a serious drawback, though. That's gonna be a dealbreaker for a lot of people, especially the kind of people who might have a genuine use for a solid pickup truck.

Per TechCrunch:

The base version of Slate’s truck will squeeze 150 miles out of a 52.7kWh battery pack, which will power a single 150kW motor on the rear axle. For folks who get a little spooked at that number, Slate is offering a larger battery pack that it says will have about 240 miles of range.

[diller]

...especially the kind of people who might have a genuine use for a solid pickup truck.

I don't get Americans obsession with trucks for no real reason, as I understand it most of the current trucks aren't really good at being trucks.

[Twdft]

I don't get Americans obsession with trucks for no real reason, as I understand it most of the current trucks aren't really good at being trucks.

I guess it's groceries. I can walk to a mini market after work and get a small pack of chestnut mushrooms and cream to cook some noodles for dinner. American supermarkets are so inconveniently located that they get a truck load of groceries once a month.

[PhaelixWW]

I guess it's groceries. I can walk to a mini market after work and get a small pack of chestnut mushrooms and cream to cook some noodles for dinner. American supermarkets are so inconveniently located that they get a truck load of groceries once a month.

It's not groceries.

[gondrin]

I guess it's groceries. I can walk to a mini market after work and get a small pack of chestnut mushrooms and cream to cook some noodles for dinner. American supermarkets are so inconveniently located that they get a truck load of groceries once a month.

Yeah, you would think that but I work in a grocery store and the amount of people that come in on a daily basis is crazy. And it isn't to get anything specific or to come in after work. The only people who do the monthly thing are Costco shoppers because of the fact that everything is bulk size.

[DarkTZeratul]

I don't get Americans obsession with trucks for no real reason, as I understand it most of the current trucks aren't really good at being trucks.

Long story short, it's marketing. Big giant trucks are Tough and American and Manly (and also conveniently exempt from fuel efficiency regulations that make smaller cars more expensive to design because they have a legal minimum standard of miles per gallon).

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It's not groceries.

It very much is not. The vast majority of people with big ass pickup trucks never use the bed to haul anything.

[PhaelixWW]

It very much is not. The vast majority of people with big ass pickup trucks never use the bed to haul anything.

I had a boss once who was an 85 year old woman driving an F250 with a handicap placard.

I'd be generous and say that she let her kids use it to haul shit, but they each had their own, too.

[Gorsameth]

I don't get Americans obsession with trucks for no real reason, as I understand it most of the current trucks aren't really good at being trucks.

When America introduced emission and fuel standards the law excluded pickup trucks because they were not classed as personal vehicles but work vehicles, or agriculture or something like that, so in order not to have to actually meet any standards the American automotive industry massively threw their weight behind getting everyone to drive 'trucks'.

The reason so many Americans believe they 'need' a bad pickup is decades and decades of commercial indoctrination so car makers could dodge emission standards.

[Mayhem]

...now all I can think of is that scene in "I, Robot" where one of them grabs the wheel of the car and says "You are experiencing a car accident" as it tried to wreck the car.

"Legal explanations for your death are part of the upgrade X-Robot death lux".

[diller]

I guess it's groceries. I can walk to a mini market after work and get a small pack of chestnut mushrooms and cream to cook some noodles for dinner. American supermarkets are so inconveniently located that they get a truck load of groceries once a month.

No matter how much groceries you buy it should fit in a normal car.

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When America introduced emission and fuel standards the law excluded pickup trucks because they were not classed as personal vehicles but work vehicles, or agriculture or something like that, so in order not to have to actually meet any standards the American automotive industry massively threw their weight behind getting everyone to drive 'trucks'.

The reason so many Americans believe they 'need' a bad pickup is decades and decades of commercial indoctrination so car makers could dodge emission standards.

Could be an explanation.