Elon Musk Buys Twitter

[Odinfrost]

It suddenly starts to make sense why Elon is stepping down from DOGE outside of stopping himself from making people hate him more.
He's gonna spend *so much time* in a courtroom and hearings, company meetings and lawyer meetings to deal with that.

And I hope he lose gloriously

[Bwgmon]

It suddenly starts to make sense why Elon is stepping down from DOGE outside of stopping himself from making people hate him more.
He's gonna spend *so much time* in a courtroom and hearings, company meetings and lawyer meetings to deal with that.

And I hope he lose gloriously

It'll be very funny if he gets pardoned for his federal crimes just for whatever state he's in at the moment to roll up and go "Hey bud, we're here for all the shit you can't be pardoned for. Back in the courthouse."

[gondrin]

So, Musk wants EV credits removed because, well, this happens. Slate Auto, a company Jeff Bezos is backing, is basically going to put a no frills electric truck on the road that starts out at $20k. You can customize it and the price would go up accordingly. With actual tax credits, it could drop it below $20k. This along with the Chinese EVs, Musk is going to be in for a hard time.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...d=BingNewsVerp

[PhaelixWW]

So, Musk wants EV credits removed because, well, this happens. Slate Auto, a company Jeff Bezos is backing, is basically going to put a no frills electric truck on the road that starts out at $20k. You can customize it and the price would go up accordingly. With actual tax credits, it could drop it below $20k. This along with the Chinese EVs, Musk is going to be in for a hard time.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...d=BingNewsVerp

Most importantly: it doesn't look like a shiny TrumpsterDumpster.

[Edge-]

Most importantly: it doesn't look like a shiny TrumpsterDumpster.

honestly that's a compact truck i would drive. bed's small for a work truck and all, but for a very cheap electric vehicle that looks very functional. i fucking hate bezos but at least that doesn't look aggressively stupid and come with an enormous price tag. it just looks boring and comes with a fairly reasonable price tag - to start with.

I saw that earlier and liked it, like it a bit less knowing bezos is connected to it. But still better than the 6-figure death machine.

[gondrin]

honestly that's a compact truck i would drive. bed's small for a work truck and all, but for a very cheap electric vehicle that looks very functional. i fucking hate bezos but at least that doesn't look aggressively stupid and come with an enormous price tag. it just looks boring and comes with a fairly reasonable price tag - to start with.

I saw that earlier and liked it, like it a bit less knowing bezos is connected to it. But still better than the 6-figure death machine.

What? You don't like the truck that actively gets racoons confused that they aren't dumpsters? Or that claim they can offroad but can get stuck anytime it goes offroad(best is people bringing it and driving it on the beach forgetting that it weighs as much as a F350 without the height to get unstuck)? Or the claim that it is bulletproof but yet fall apart just driving down the road? Or that it will actively lock someone in when there is a fire?

[DarkTZeratul]

honestly that's a compact truck i would drive. bed's small for a work truck and all, but for a very cheap electric vehicle that looks very functional. i fucking hate bezos but at least that doesn't look aggressively stupid and come with an enormous price tag. it just looks boring and comes with a fairly reasonable price tag - to start with.

I saw that earlier and liked it, like it a bit less knowing bezos is connected to it. But still better than the 6-figure death machine.

The 150-mile range is a serious drawback, though. That's gonna be a dealbreaker for a lot of people, especially the kind of people who might have a genuine use for a solid pickup truck.

[gondrin]

The 150-mile range is a serious drawback, though. That's gonna be a dealbreaker for a lot of people, especially the kind of people who might have a genuine use for a solid pickup truck.

Well, for a cheaper alternative, it would be a good "around the town" truck type thing where you don't take long trips.

But the fact is that Musk said there is no reason to bring a cheaper alternative to the market and well, this shows there is.

[PhaelixWW]

The 150-mile range is a serious drawback, though. That's gonna be a dealbreaker for a lot of people, especially the kind of people who might have a genuine use for a solid pickup truck.

Per TechCrunch:

The base version of Slate’s truck will squeeze 150 miles out of a 52.7kWh battery pack, which will power a single 150kW motor on the rear axle. For folks who get a little spooked at that number, Slate is offering a larger battery pack that it says will have about 240 miles of range.

[diller]

...especially the kind of people who might have a genuine use for a solid pickup truck.

I don't get Americans obsession with trucks for no real reason, as I understand it most of the current trucks aren't really good at being trucks.

[Twdft]

I don't get Americans obsession with trucks for no real reason, as I understand it most of the current trucks aren't really good at being trucks.

I guess it's groceries. I can walk to a mini market after work and get a small pack of chestnut mushrooms and cream to cook some noodles for dinner. American supermarkets are so inconveniently located that they get a truck load of groceries once a month.

[PhaelixWW]

I guess it's groceries. I can walk to a mini market after work and get a small pack of chestnut mushrooms and cream to cook some noodles for dinner. American supermarkets are so inconveniently located that they get a truck load of groceries once a month.

It's not groceries.

[gondrin]

I guess it's groceries. I can walk to a mini market after work and get a small pack of chestnut mushrooms and cream to cook some noodles for dinner. American supermarkets are so inconveniently located that they get a truck load of groceries once a month.

Yeah, you would think that but I work in a grocery store and the amount of people that come in on a daily basis is crazy. And it isn't to get anything specific or to come in after work. The only people who do the monthly thing are Costco shoppers because of the fact that everything is bulk size.

[DarkTZeratul]

I don't get Americans obsession with trucks for no real reason, as I understand it most of the current trucks aren't really good at being trucks.

Long story short, it's marketing. Big giant trucks are Tough and American and Manly (and also conveniently exempt from fuel efficiency regulations that make smaller cars more expensive to design because they have a legal minimum standard of miles per gallon).

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It's not groceries.

It very much is not. The vast majority of people with big ass pickup trucks never use the bed to haul anything.

[PhaelixWW]

It very much is not. The vast majority of people with big ass pickup trucks never use the bed to haul anything.

I had a boss once who was an 85 year old woman driving an F250 with a handicap placard.

I'd be generous and say that she let her kids use it to haul shit, but they each had their own, too.

[Gorsameth]

I don't get Americans obsession with trucks for no real reason, as I understand it most of the current trucks aren't really good at being trucks.

When America introduced emission and fuel standards the law excluded pickup trucks because they were not classed as personal vehicles but work vehicles, or agriculture or something like that, so in order not to have to actually meet any standards the American automotive industry massively threw their weight behind getting everyone to drive 'trucks'.

The reason so many Americans believe they 'need' a bad pickup is decades and decades of commercial indoctrination so car makers could dodge emission standards.

[Mayhem]

...now all I can think of is that scene in "I, Robot" where one of them grabs the wheel of the car and says "You are experiencing a car accident" as it tried to wreck the car.

"Legal explanations for your death are part of the upgrade X-Robot death lux".

[diller]

I guess it's groceries. I can walk to a mini market after work and get a small pack of chestnut mushrooms and cream to cook some noodles for dinner. American supermarkets are so inconveniently located that they get a truck load of groceries once a month.

No matter how much groceries you buy it should fit in a normal car.

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When America introduced emission and fuel standards the law excluded pickup trucks because they were not classed as personal vehicles but work vehicles, or agriculture or something like that, so in order not to have to actually meet any standards the American automotive industry massively threw their weight behind getting everyone to drive 'trucks'.

The reason so many Americans believe they 'need' a bad pickup is decades and decades of commercial indoctrination so car makers could dodge emission standards.

Could be an explanation.

[Joszef Kiprich]

No matter how much groceries you buy it should fit in a normal car.

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Could be an explanation.

I used to drive a Toyota Aigo for a while and even that could fit my weekly groceries.

[Odinfrost]

Could be an explanation.

That *is* the explanation. Pure coporate greed and deathly allergy to regulations.

And the irony with people going "Trucks are very useful for groceries", stationcars have the same if not more boot space than the most common US trucks these days. The boot of the Kia Venga my family uses have almost as much space as those giant monstrosities does if the info I've gotten is correct.
And then there's the *height* of those vehicles that will *never* set their wheels offroad.