Elon Musk Buys Twitter

[Polgara]

It's not okay to break US law, but EU law is completely fine. That's, in essence, why NED and libertarians like him are mad.

[Mayhem]

You can have whatever laws you want. They are still dumb and why European tech companies will always pale compared to american ones

Oh man, I hoped you explained the respective laws, bummer you just took the L instead.

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Do you think they should be fined 52.4 million dollars cuz of it?

No, they should be fined way more than that. It was Eloms choice to change it the way he did, knowingly, obviously not caring for any confusion that might come of it; this is now the consequence of not caring.

As far as I am aware, they were very public about the change and that the blue checkmark no longer means that.

Oh, well, next time the EU should probably just ask you. As long as you were aware, then it's settled.

There could have been some confusion at the start but not anymore.

Why don't you quote the verdict and point out where the EU is wrong?

The EU fining them that amount cuz they dont like that system is absurd and it reeks of a desperate attempt to punish american tech companies for whatever they can get away with.

The EU, known for its pettiness, for letting billion-dollar companies work and earn billions within EU borders, while evading taxation. Yup, makes sense.

So that means if European companies just don't want to follow US laws, they are free to do so because if the US sues, it's just a desperate attempt to punish Europe.

[Odinfrost]

I'm just gonna plop the video with the announcement of the fine along with the tl:dr reasoning
https://apnews.com/video/eu-hits-elo...66879141234501

[Flarelaine]

Yeeeaaaaah... I have a feeling that either the EU loses Twitter access soon, or the entire world does as Twitter goes bankrupt.

Ridding this side of the pond from the brainrot that is X is the right direction.

[prwraith]

Yeeeaaaaah... I have a feeling that either the EU loses Twitter access soon, or the entire world does as Twitter goes bankrupt.

Kinda wish the world lost access to twitter. It's such a cesspool. Moreso than anywhere else i've seen publicly on the internet. Sure there are forums full of people with those mindsets, but it's largely self contained. Twitter is now giving people a megaphone to be the worst versions of humanity that have ever existed.

[Draco-Onis]

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pres.../en/ip_25_2934

And obviously you have to follow the laws and whatnot. That doesnt take away from pointing out that the laws are dumb and obviously geared towards certain goals (punishing american tech companies)

You are not making any sense everyone in the EU has to follow the law regardless of the country of origin. There is no targeting of American companies unless you have proof that shows that there is extra clauses against the US. Every company in the EU gets fined and regulated by their laws even their own domestic ones.

[Flarelaine]

I'm with the Polish guy.

https://x.com/sikorskiradek/status/1997323130784608494

[Rustedsaint]

Nah Elon would get trump or whoever in charge afterwards to threaten if EU ever tries to cut it off. It’s too useful a tool for political manipulation to allow it to be blocked so I’m sure the right wingers in EU would fight for it

[Draco-Onis]

Frankly the most vexing thing is that this greedy fuck is bitching and moaning to what accounts to $1 compared to his fortune. Elon is so greedy that he is whining about paying so little of what he is worth after getting a 1 trillion dollar pay package. The Trump supporters who say rich people don't want anymore money should be checked for signs that they have a brain.

[SAY HER NAME]

You are not making any sense everyone in the EU has to follow the law regardless of the country of origin. There is no targeting of American companies unless you have proof that shows that there is extra clauses against the US. Every company in the EU gets fined and regulated by their laws even their own domestic ones.

The law being broken here being that Twitter has a premium subscription feature where they add a blue checkmark on your username?

The law here is very discretionary and gives the regulator a lot of space to interpret how it wants to.

Which I will repeat again, they are free to have. They can have laws that effectively translate to punish american companies as much as they want to for the crime of existing and if American companies want to operate in the EU they have to play by those rules. Its however insulting to pretend this isnt whats happening

[Poopymonster]

The law being broken here being that Twitter has a premium subscription feature where they add a blue checkmark on your username?

The law here is very discretionary and gives the regulator a lot of space to interpret how it wants to.

Which I will repeat again, they are free to have. They can have laws that effectively translate to punish american companies as much as they want to for the crime of existing and if American companies want to operate in the EU they have to play by those rules. Its however insulting to pretend this isnt whats happening

They'd punish any country, not just American ones.
The yanks are just the first to break the laws and act indignant about being called on it.

[Draco-Onis]

The law being broken here being that Twitter has a premium subscription feature where they add a blue checkmark on your username?

The law here is very discretionary and gives the regulator a lot of space to interpret how it wants to.

Which I will repeat again, they are free to have. They can have laws that effectively translate to punish american companies as much as they want to for the crime of existing and if American companies want to operate in the EU they have to play by those rules. Its however insulting to pretend this isnt whats happening

Incorrect they got fined because of the system behind the blue checkmark not that twitter has a premium subscription feature.

[Kaleredar]

The law being broken here being that Twitter has a premium subscription feature where they add a blue checkmark on your username?

The law here is very discretionary and gives the regulator a lot of space to interpret how it wants to.

Which I will repeat again, they are free to have. They can have laws that effectively translate to punish american companies as much as they want to for the crime of existing and if American companies want to operate in the EU they have to play by those rules. Its however insulting to pretend this isnt whats happening

Is this feature unique to American companies?

Do all American companies use this feature because they’re American?

Should I care if Elon musk is getting a pittance fine?

The answer to all of these questions is “no,” so I have no idea why this is the hill you’re trying to die on.

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The law being broken here being that Twitter has a premium subscription feature where they add a blue checkmark on your username?

The law here is very discretionary and gives the regulator a lot of space to interpret how it wants to.

Which I will repeat again, they are free to have. They can have laws that effectively translate to punish american companies as much as they want to for the crime of existing and if American companies want to operate in the EU they have to play by those rules. Its however insulting to pretend this isnt whats happening

Again, none of this has ever had anything to do with "American companies". That's your self-centered jingoism speaking, not reason. The USA is not the center of the world and decisions get made without any specific though to America all the time.

You continue to not present a single actual argument. You're just whining that an American company, run by a Nazi, might get fined for their illegal actions. Because how dare the EU fine a Nazi and his company for illegal actions. That's where you are. You don't have any actual criticism of the law in question, you just want to make it about some made-up victim complex you're inventing for the USA.

[SAY HER NAME]

Incorrect they got fined because of the system behind the blue checkmark not that twitter has a premium subscription feature.

The system behind the blue checkmark is that it's part of the premium subscription feature.

If the concern is authentication, there are other checkmarks that are meant to show actual real association (yellow and gray checkmarks)

Its obvious what is happening here. The EU wants to punish american tech companies. And using vague laws that grant them discretionary enforcement is their vehicle to do so.

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Is this feature unique to American companies?

Do all American companies use this feature because they’re American?

Should I care if Elon musk is getting a pittance fine?

The answer to all of these questions is “no,” so I have no idea why this is the hill you’re trying to die on.

An american company is the only company that meets the criteria.

If I put a law that says we will punish websites with a dark green background and beige front, which are dedicated to mmos and allow forum posts, youd be right in saying that its not a feature exclusive to this website. But youd be a fool to not notice whats happening.

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Its obvious what is happening here. The EU wants to punish american tech companies. And using vague laws that grant them discretionary enforcement is their vehicle to do so.

You keep saying this, and you've still provided literally no actual reason for anyone to believe it's true.

It's an EU law and only affects companies that do business in the EU.

You're inventing a crazy-ass conspiracy theory predicated on an entirely delusional victim complex.

An american company is the only company that meets the criteria.

An American company being the only one to violate the law, after openly refusing to comply with the law, does not mean the law was targeted at them.

You're delusional. Nothing you're saying makes any sense at all.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pres.../en/ip_25_2934

None of these measures single out Twitter. Literally not one. You're making that up wholesale. You either haven't even bothered to look at the case and are just spouting some memelord's ill-informed shitposting on Twitter (and yes, Elon fits the bill if that's where you're getting your info), or you're being intentionally dishonest. And those are marks of equally poor character; I don't care which one it is, you're being ridiculous either way.

[Mayhem]

The system behind the blue checkmark is that it's part of the premium subscription feature.

If the concern is authentication, there are other checkmarks that are meant to show actual real association (yellow and gray checkmarks)

Its obvious what is happening here. The EU wants to punish american tech companies. And using vague laws that grant them discretionary enforcement is their vehicle to do so.

The blue checkmark isn't unique to X, so the issue is that other companies still use and formerly Twitter used it to show authenticity, not a subscription feature. Users reasonably expect that this is common now. Elom chose to use it differently because it made his failing investment a bunch of money. He could have used a different checkmark to show subs, but he chose to go with this one, knowing full well that it would deceive people.

You've decided to defend the grifters and scum with an American flag. Which makes it extra funny.

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Edit: Hell, here's the list of VLOPs and VLOSEs currently identified;

https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.e...ops-and-vloses

There is not one single American company listed there.

There are a lot of EU operations HQs for multinationals whose parent companies are HQed in other non-EU countries, but that's not the same thing, obviously.

The fine in question was levied against an Irish company.

And there are plenty on the list which have no parent company with an American base either.

This is all in your own delusional head, NED. Nothing you're claiming is actually true. You're making shit up. As usual.

[SAY HER NAME]

You keep saying this, and you've still provided literally no actual reason for anyone to believe it's true.

It's an EU law and only affects companies that do business in the EU.

You're inventing a crazy-ass conspiracy theory predicated on an entirely delusional victim complex.

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An American company being the only one to violate the law, after openly refusing to comply with the law, does not mean the law was targeted at them.

You're delusional. Nothing you're saying makes any sense at all.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pres.../en/ip_25_2934

None of these measures single out Twitter. Literally not one. You're making that up wholesale. You either haven't even bothered to look at the case and are just spouting some memelord's ill-informed shitposting on Twitter (and yes, Elon fits the bill if that's where you're getting your info), or you're being intentionally dishonest. And those are marks of equally poor character; I don't care which one it is, you're being ridiculous either way.

Deceptive design of X's ‘blue checkmark'
X's use of the ‘blue checkmark' for ‘verified accounts' deceives users. This violates the DSA obligation for online platforms to prohibit deceptive design practices on their services. On X, anyone can pay to obtain the ‘verified' status without the company meaningfully verifying who is behind the account, making it difficult for users to judge the authenticity of accounts and content they engage with. This deception exposes users to scams, including impersonation frauds, as well as other forms of manipulation by malicious actors. While the DSA does not mandate user verification, it clearly prohibits online platforms from falsely claiming that users have been verified, when no such verification took place.

This is just wrong. The blue checkmark is a feature that only Twitter has. They are literally being singled out cuz they dont like how that part of the business operates.

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This is just wrong. The blue checkmark is a feature that only Twitter has. They are literally being singled out cuz they dont like how that part of the business operates.

Are you seriously claiming that describing the specific feature that violates the general rule means that the general rule is "targeted"?

This is like claiming that murder laws exist only to target you, specifically, because the case details against you cite the specific details of the victim you murdered.

The law isn't about blue checkmarks. The law is about deceptive practices.

You can't possibly be serious. This is ridiculous, even for you, NED. You've managed to find a new low, somehow, when you were already scraping seabed.