1. #8701
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    we understand what you're saying, and it's either wrong or we disagree.
    Specific users I dont have at hand. Someone like draco onis disagrees with me but he puts in the effort to read what is being posted, follow the links and whatnot. Endus doesnt. Its why I remember him specifically over other users. One of the worst bad faith users on this forum tbh

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Specific users I dont have at hand. Someone like draco onis disagrees with me but he puts in the effort to read what is being posted, follow the links and whatnot. Endus doesnt. Its why I remember him specifically over other users. One of the worst bad faith users on this forum tbh
    And yet you couldn't ever explain what I got wrong. You just doubled down on an objectively disproven conspiracy theory you made up. And now you're salty about it and making personal attacks. Because you can't defend your claims, and you know it.


  3. #8703
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Because American first amendment rights only exist in American jurisdiction. American law stops at your own borders. It has no bearing whatsoever on any American outside those borders.
    As expected President Trump comments today...

    "Europe is going in some bad directions," Trump told reporters at a White House event, saying he expected to get a full report on the EU fine later on Monday."I don't see how they can do that"

    and we await the response after that report

    https://www.reuters.com/business/tru...ns-2025-12-08/

    To the people that say the American first amendment ends at the American border well technically that is correct. However...

    Places in the world like the EU, supposedly allies, who rely on American aid for survival are expected to support American values rather than attack them and one fundamental pillar of these values is free speech. It is quite clear that an act of hostility against the US or their companies and its cherished free speech such as this EU fine will not be tolerated by Trump and a withdrawal of US subsidies to the EU, particularly in defence, grows evermore certain.

    Actions have consequences and the EU, if they pursue this action, will find that out.

    Perhaps if America didn't have to pay for the defence of Europe they could afford decent free healthcare for all their citizens instead. Just sayin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    As expected President Trump comments today...

    "Europe is going in some bad directions," Trump told reporters at a White House event, saying he expected to get a full report on the EU fine later on Monday."I don't see how they can do that"

    and we await the response after that report

    https://www.reuters.com/business/tru...ns-2025-12-08/

    To the people that say the American first amendment ends at the American border well technically that is correct. However...

    Places in the world like the EU, supposedly allies, who rely on American aid for survival are expected to support American values rather than attack them and one fundamental pillar of these values is free speech. It is quite clear that an act of hostility against the US or their companies and its cherished free speech such as this EU fine will not be tolerated by Trump and a withdrawal of US subsidies to the EU, particularly in defence, grows evermore certain.

    Actions have consequences and the EU, if they pursue this action, will find that out.

    Perhaps if America didn't have to pay for the defence of Europe they could afford decent free healthcare for all their citizens instead. Just sayin.
    The EU in no way "relies on American aid for survival". That's a steaming mug of jingoistic bullshit. And the USA is the one who initiated economic warfare against its allies, in this equation. Everything you've said here is Trumpian derangement.


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    If the republican party continues this route, other countries aren't going to be willing to swap the trade policies back and forth every 4-8 years. This is such an absurd situation to be in
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  6. #8706
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    As expected President Trump comments today...

    "Europe is going in some bad directions," Trump told reporters at a White House event, saying he expected to get a full report on the EU fine later on Monday."I don't see how they can do that"

    and we await the response after that report

    https://www.reuters.com/business/tru...ns-2025-12-08/

    To the people that say the American first amendment ends at the American border well technically that is correct. However...

    Places in the world like the EU, supposedly allies, who rely on American aid for survival are expected to support American values rather than attack them and one fundamental pillar of these values is free speech. It is quite clear that an act of hostility against the US or their companies and its cherished free speech such as this EU fine will not be tolerated by Trump and a withdrawal of US subsidies to the EU, particularly in defence, grows evermore certain.

    Actions have consequences and the EU, if they pursue this action, will find that out.

    Perhaps if America didn't have to pay for the defence of Europe they could afford decent free healthcare for all their citizens instead. Just sayin.
    You are an idiot.
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    Russia were provoked by the US backed UN letting Ukraine join nato.

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    wait, is the supposedly british guy living at a massage parlor in thailand going to tell us about western values, again?

  8. #8708
    Musk has banned the EU from advertising on Twitter in response.

    I'm sure they are trembling in their boots at no longer being able to advertise to bots, nazis, grifters and racists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Musk has banned the EU from advertising on Twitter in response.

    I'm sure they are trembling in their boots at no longer being able to advertise to bots, nazis, grifters and racists.
    Then the EU should ban twitter.

  10. #8710
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Perhaps if America didn't have to pay for the defence of Europe they could afford decent free healthcare for all their citizens instead. Just sayin.
    Biggest cope I have seen in some time.

    1) The US is an imperialist nation that loves having it's military world wide, nobody is forcing them to do this. The US does it because they want to.

    2) The US could do this AND STILL have free healthcare. Actual universal healthcare systems would cost the government less money than the current bullshit system. Healthcare and Insurance execs don't want that truth getting out there but the math has already been done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    I mean its basically an infinite money glitch for Europe.

    Instead of investing into innovative and productive endeavors you create regulations and then make 100% profit by fining the companies.
    Damn, you solved it. Europe is letting US companies in, let them make billions of profit, warn them of fines if they don't comply and then in their ultimate evil form actually fine them.

    We Europeans are the worst of the worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Nah people here are obsessed with "dunking" on others and whatnot instead of understanding what the other person is saying. Endus is the biggest culprit of this
    May I kindly point you to post #8685 where I responded to you "dunking" on me for not reading what this is about and me pointing out that what I said is in the link you yourself posted as evidence of me not knowing what this is about?

    You are the one that's dunking on people, the others are pointing out where you're wrong, those are different things.
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Its obvious what is happening here. The EU wants to punish american tech companies. And using vague laws that grant them discretionary enforcement is their vehicle to do so.
    Even if you could convince us that this was necessarily true, which would be an exceedingly difficult task, it still wouldn't bother me much.

    The EU could just simply ban "American tech companies" from the EU if they really wanted to punish them. There's really very little incentive to go through all these shenanigans to beat around that particular bush.
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  13. #8713
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    As expected President Trump comments today...

    "Europe is going in some bad directions," Trump told reporters at a White House event, saying he expected to get a full report on the EU fine later on Monday."I don't see how they can do that"

    and we await the response after that report

    https://www.reuters.com/business/tru...ns-2025-12-08/

    To the people that say the American first amendment ends at the American border well technically that is correct. However...

    Places in the world like the EU, supposedly allies, who rely on American aid for survival are expected to support American values rather than attack them and one fundamental pillar of these values is free speech. It is quite clear that an act of hostility against the US or their companies and its cherished free speech such as this EU fine will not be tolerated by Trump and a withdrawal of US subsidies to the EU, particularly in defence, grows evermore certain.

    Actions have consequences and the EU, if they pursue this action, will find that out.

    Perhaps if America didn't have to pay for the defence of Europe they could afford decent free healthcare for all their citizens instead. Just sayin.
    If ever a post was engineered for replies, this is it.

    "supposed allies" just because a tech company is facing a fine.
    "free speech" in the US is about as fundamental as my right a free toilet seat made of solid gold at this point. Talking about free speech when this admin shuts it down at every opportunity borders on an insult to every poster here.
    "free healthcare" is something we could pay for right now. But we have to make everything a for-profit endeavor. Oh, but Trump claims we're taking in trillions right now, so its even more affordable, right? He should just do it!

  14. #8714
    To me the fine has nothing to do with freedom of speech, but more about the differing level of consumer protection between the US and EU.

    The same reason why US pickup trucks are not openly sold in EU. US safety standards only care about the safety of the passengers. EU safety standards take into consideration other vehicles, pedestrians and bicycles that may come into collision with those trucks. US pickup trucks failed miserably in that category. They are killing machines.
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  15. #8715
    Australia just banned social media for those under 16. Outrage that? The targets are the tech companies. Australia is not Europe punishing US tech companies. The clue is the kangaroos.
    So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alach View Post
    Australia just banned social media for those under 16. Outrage that? The targets are the tech companies. Australia is not Europe punishing US tech companies. The clue is the kangaroos.
    They don’t need to ban those under 16, they need to ban those over 60… those are the ones most manipulated by it and least equipped to handle it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    As expected President Trump comments today...

    "Europe is going in some bad directions," Trump told reporters at a White House event, saying he expected to get a full report on the EU fine later on Monday."I don't see how they can do that"

    and we await the response after that report

    https://www.reuters.com/business/tru...ns-2025-12-08/

    To the people that say the American first amendment ends at the American border well technically that is correct. However...

    Places in the world like the EU, supposedly allies, who rely on American aid for survival are expected to support American values rather than attack them and one fundamental pillar of these values is free speech. It is quite clear that an act of hostility against the US or their companies and its cherished free speech such as this EU fine will not be tolerated by Trump and a withdrawal of US subsidies to the EU, particularly in defence, grows evermore certain.

    Actions have consequences and the EU, if they pursue this action, will find that out.

    Perhaps if America didn't have to pay for the defence of Europe they could afford decent free healthcare for all their citizens instead. Just sayin.
    Hey bud name one positive outcome of Trump’s presidency that would support why we should care a single damn’s worth what he and by extension you have to say?


    Unemployment and inflation are surging within the US as wages stagnate all from Trump’s actions. The stock market took an unprecedented tumble and consumer confidence is at an all time low. The US credit score was downgraded and wealth inequality grows. To top it all off the US is at one of its weakest international positions in 70 years.

    All the other conservative posters around here had the common decency to run and hide their faces in shame, so you remain the last one obliquely claiming that any of this nonsense is any pursuit of anything other than enriching Trump. So I’m just dying to hear your justification for any of it to the contrary.
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  18. #8718
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    The EU in no way "relies on American aid for survival". That's a steaming mug of jingoistic bullshit. And the USA is the one who initiated economic warfare against its allies, in this equation. Everything you've said here is Trumpian derangement.
    I mean European security architecture is literally held together by NATO (which is a fancy way of saying the US because NATO doesn't exist without it). The instant the US pulls out, there is an intra security competition in Europe which is what EU elites are terrified of. The US nuclear umbrella is the pacifier that allows Europe as it is to exist.

    The other thing he said is stupid obviously, this has nothing to do with US healthcare. The US protectorate does allow EU to have the huge welfare programs they have though, they couldn't afford their systems if they had to handle their own security without major changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyris Flare View Post
    I mean European security architecture is literally held together by NATO (which is a fancy way of saying the US because NATO doesn't exist without it).
    Bullshit, on several levels.

    NATO could exist just fine without the USA. The USA is not a necessary component in any way whatsoever. It would weaken NATO, but so would the loss of any member nation.

    And the USA benefits greatly from NATO. It's not a gift. It's cooperation and allyship. That's not "relying on", in the sense that's being used here.

    The instant the US pulls out, there is an intra security competition in Europe which is what EU elites are terrified of. The US nuclear umbrella is the pacifier that allows Europe as it is to exist.
    Again, complete horseshit. This is jingoistic nonsense. Even if you wanted to make this about nuclear capacity, three of the nine nuclear-capable nations are Western European nations. They have their own nukes, they do not rely on American nuclear capacity in any way.


  20. #8720
    To go with what Endus said. Without the US, NATO is weaker but still strong. Without NATO, the US loses its status as a world power and becomes just a regional power instead.

    The US power needs NATO far more than NATO needs the US.

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