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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyris Flare View Post
    The US nuclear umbrella is the pacifier that allows Europe as it is to exist.
    You do know that both France and the UK have nuclear weapons, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    You do know that both France and the UK have nuclear weapons, right?
    While they certainly do, without the US, European deterrence is not broad enough to be effective. It absolutely can be; the knowledge, resources and infrastructure all exist.

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    France never joining the NATO Nuclear Planning Group ... their nukes are petits bébés spéciaux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    They don’t need to ban those under 16, they need to ban those over 60… those are the ones most manipulated by it and least equipped to handle it.
    Actually isn't it both young people and old people that are terrible at internet literacy? It's millennials and older gen Zs that are mostly good at it and everyone outside of that bubble is dumb as shit according to the studies I have seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Actually isn't it both young people and old people that are terrible at internet literacy? It's millennials and older gen Zs that are mostly good at it and everyone outside of that bubble is dumb as shit according to the studies I have seen.
    Can agree with that but between the 15 year olds and the 50 year olds, the 50 year olds are the most gullible of the two.

    And the 15 year olds gullibility comes from the fact they largely don’t care enough to look into the stuff unless it’s fun or shocking while the 50 year olds gullibility comes from their inability to actually learn the technology along with a flat out refusal to learn even if they are interested in the topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Actually isn't it both young people and old people that are terrible at internet literacy? It's millennials and older gen Zs that are mostly good at it and everyone outside of that bubble is dumb as shit according to the studies I have seen.
    If I had to guess the breakdown it’s that young people “care” too much about the internet so as to lose perspective on things that really matter, while older people are far too inherently trusting of it.

    And If I had to guess the reason for that it’d be because the 90s-2000s kids grew up in a system where the internet was not nearly as ubiquitous, children weren’t expected to be permanently online and so gained a perspective as these online systems developed alongside them, rather than being dropped into a system where such a thing already existed like with young people now or having a system that they couldn’t really understand become more and more relevant like older generations dealt with. It may be that young people don’t appreciably know any informational system other than the internet, whereas older people can’t understand it. That millennial/gen z group were raised to use the internet as more of a tool, rather than being obliged to live it as a way of life like modern kids or as some arcane, unknowable source of misinformation trying to steal your money like older people.


    That being said I like younger people’s chances of learning the ins and outs of the internet better than older people. And it’s not like those millennial/gen z people are immune to manipulation or being chronically online.
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    People are now making CP using Grok to take the clothes off of children, and Elon Musk is SILENT.

    Unsurprisingly it's like 99% right wing accounts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    People are now making CP using Grok to take the clothes off of children, and Elon Musk is SILENT.

    Unsurprisingly it's like 99% right wing accounts.
    Time to push Twitter makes 99% of all pedophilic pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    Time to push Twitter makes 99% of all pedophilic pictures.
    Musk will just enjoy the free ad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    People are now making CP using Grok to take the clothes off of children, and Elon Musk is SILENT.

    Unsurprisingly it's like 99% right wing accounts.
    Two things on that truly disturbing note:

    1) most of these public-facing chatbot/image generators are intentionally set to not be able to generate lewd or lascivious content, meaning grok… isn’t set to not do that?

    2) AI can’t make something from nothing, meaning it needs reference material from something that seems like it should be very illegal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    2) AI can’t make something from nothing, meaning it needs reference material from something that seems like it should be very illegal
    I haven't looked at what Grok is generating, and I have absolutely no desire to, but at least in theory it would presumably be capable of generating this based on images of naked adults? Because if it actually HAS been referencing actual child porn, then holy fucking shitballs would X be in deep fucking shit legally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Two things on that truly disturbing note:

    1) most of these public-facing chatbot/image generators are intentionally set to not be able to generate lewd or lascivious content, meaning grok… isn’t set to not do that?

    2) AI can’t make something from nothing, meaning it needs reference material from something that seems like it should be very illegal
    Grok actually advertised itself as being much less restrictive than most others. It will absolutely create you some stuff the majority won't. Though, going by what I see on Reddit, they've started limiting that when it comes to making videos. Lots of people mad it won't create porn for them as easily as it used to...

    But because of those weaker restrictions, you can now apparently feed it any image you want and just give it a prompt to change clothes or pose or whatever. I've been seeing a lot that happening recently. No CP, but plenty of adult women that definitely didn't consent to it. And people just go ahead and publicly do it in the replies to the images themselves, as though its perfectly normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by En Sabah Nur View Post
    Grok actually advertised itself as being much less restrictive than most others. It will absolutely create you some stuff the majority won't. Though, going by what I see on Reddit, they've started limiting that when it comes to making videos. Lots of people mad it won't create porn for them as easily as it used to...

    But because of those weaker restrictions, you can now apparently feed it any image you want and just give it a prompt to change clothes or pose or whatever. I've been seeing a lot that happening recently. No CP, but plenty of adult women that definitely didn't consent to it. And people just go ahead and publicly do it in the replies to the images themselves, as though its perfectly normal.
    Hmm, could be a chance to drown out real nudes of yourself if for instance you needed some money when locked at home and started an OF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    Hmm, could be a chance to drown out real nudes of yourself if for instance you needed some money when locked at home and started an OF.
    I have seen a couple of women that definitely had OF accounts use it to sort of advertise themselves by doing their own edits while I've been scrolling, tbh. Probably a smart marketing strategy for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    People are now making CP using Grok to take the clothes off of children, and Elon Musk is SILENT.

    Unsurprisingly it's like 99% right wing accounts.
    "Protect the children" crowd being pedophiles. Who could have seen that coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moralgy View Post
    "Protect the children" crowd being pedophiles. Who could have seen that coming.
    Between this, making excuses for the Epstein Files, and their war against PoC daycares it seems like they hate kids. I believe they hate kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Between this, making excuses for the Epstein Files, and their war against PoC daycares it seems like they hate kids. I believe they hate kids.
    It's less "hating kids" and more "seeing kids as property". Maybe you conflate the two, I can see the argument, but it's more like they see children as some form of pet or livestock. And that you should be able to do whatever you want with your property or property you've secured the rights to use. Whether that's forcing kids into work labor, or indoctrinating them into abusive lifestyles, or just seeing them as sexual objects to be freely used the way you would a fleshlight.

    The "pet" part is really important, because it cuts right through the whole "but I love my kids!" bullshit. You also say you love your dog, but you beat that dog with a stick and you'll shoot it in the head if it won't do what you say. These people do not "love" their kids as human beings.

    It's a lot fuckin' worse than "goddamned kids these days" hate or whatever, is what I'm driving at.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    2) AI can’t make something from nothing, meaning it needs reference material from something that seems like it should be very illegal
    There's no way it needs actual CP to generate this. There's more than enough adult porn out there to steal from.

    But it would not surprise me in the slightest if no one bothered to put the same safeguards in place for this bot that may exist for others.

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    Apparently Grok is personally posting the explanation:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...hildren-photos

    Elon Musk’s chatbot Grok posted on Friday that lapses in safeguards had led it to generate “images depicting minors in minimal clothing” on social media platform X. The chatbot, a product of Musk’s company xAI, has been generating a wave of sexualized images throughout the week in response to user prompts.

    Screenshots shared by users on X showed Grok’s public media tab filled with such images. xAI said it was working to improve its systems to prevent future incidents.

    “There are isolated cases where users prompted for and received AI images depicting minors in minimal clothing,” Grok said in a post on X in response to a user. “xAI has safeguards, but improvements are ongoing to block such requests entirely.”

    “As noted, we’ve identified lapses in safeguards and are urgently fixing them—CSAM is illegal and prohibited,” xAI posted to the @Grok account on X, referring to child sexual abuse material.
    I guess Ol' Musky and the few humans left working at X didnt want to put their names on record to explain why their AI is doing CP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    Apparently Grok is personally posting the explanation:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...hildren-photos



    I guess Ol' Musky and the few humans left working at X didnt want to put their names on record to explain why their AI is doing CP.
    There are also people who have had their name in grok prompts that unclothes pictures of them.
    I wonder, does that fall under Revenge Porn statutes in certain states?
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