Elon Musk Buys Twitter

[Orange Joe]

Before the Musk buy, what's the difference between twitter and instagram?

When you break it down to basics only real difference imo was Instagram focused more on pictures.

[NED funded]

Before the Musk buy, what's the difference between twitter and instagram?

Twitter works better for talking to people in the posts. Instagram is more abt the posts themselves. You cant quote tweet for example thats why its weird when ppl say twitter doesnt lend itself to political stuff when their features help that

[Edge-]

I see a flaw with this $8 purchasing parity.

Whoa now, are you actually taking Elon's shitposting seriously?

[cubby]

I see a flaw with this $8 purchasing parity. If it's adjusted to GDP per capita with the US as its base, the equivalent of $8 a month in the US will be worth like 10-20 cents in the poorest regions of Africa.

So basically this means I can buy a bot farm of several thousand accounts for a couple hundred per month in Sudan or whatever to spam leftist or rightist drivel and push my agenda.

That might be more of a feature than a flaw, given Musk's apparent need-greed to monetize Twitter. And this parity fee is just the start.

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Whoa now, are you actually taking Elon's shitposting seriously?

I'm pretty sure all of Musk's posts are shitposts at this point - that's about all that comes out of his mouth any more.

But do you think he's not going to attempt to monetize Twitter?

[Edge-]

I'm pretty sure all of Musk's posts are shitposts at this point - that's about all that comes out of his mouth any more.

But do you think he's not going to attempt to monetize Twitter?

Very much so, hence why I no longer take him remotely seriously. He's the wealthiest clown on earth, basically, and largely is worth ignoring and mocking and little more.

Do I think he's going to try to make money off the social media company he never wanted to buy and had no plans for? Yeah. But I don't think he's going to crowdsource ideas. Unless he's completely fuckin lost it and is living in a world of pure imagination, which is depressingly possible.

[Malkiah]

Before the Musk buy, what's the difference between twitter and instagram?

outlets and aggregation sites don't quote instagram as a source for news *as often*, is the biggest difference socially.

I don't think Twitter is going anywhere anytime soon.

For it to be destroyed or become tenth of what it is now - there needs to be a good and recognized by the masses alternative and right now there is not one in quite the same format.

When there will be an identical alternative that actually catches on, then there will be a place to talk about that.

i'm not in any way arguing with you here or trying to counter your point, but i do want feel compelled to mention that the fact that a giant circle-jerk for attention whores who are addicted to chronic exposure of their tedious banality can only go away if there's another readily available circle-jerk for attention whores who are addicted to chronic exposure of their tedious banality is probably one of the most culturally depressing realities i've been confronted with in quite some time.

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i'm largely indifferent to twitter in reality, though i do dislike it conceptually - but for me, my biggest hope since musk announced this buy would be that by hook or by crook twitter loses its cultural cachet at least enough that it stops being a primary source for news and aggregate organizations.

i just want to never see another news reports that starts "on twitter today..." jesus fuck that is pathetic.

[cubby]

outlets and aggregation sites don't quote instagram as a source for news *as often*, is the biggest difference socially.


i'm not in any way arguing with you here or trying to counter your point, but i do want feel compelled to mention that the fact that a giant circle-jerk for attention whores who are addicted to chronic exposure of their tedious banality can only go away if there's another readily available circle-jerk for attention whores who are addicted to chronic exposure of their tedious banality is probably one of the most culturally depressing realities i've been confronted with in quite some time.

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i'm largely indifferent to twitter in reality, though i do dislike it conceptually - but for me, my biggest hope since musk announced this buy would be that by hook or by crook twitter loses its cultural cachet at least enough that it stops being a primary source for news and aggregate organizations.

i just want to never see another news reports that starts "on twitter today..." jesus fuck that is pathetic.

Didn't even one of the founders of Twitter say he wish he'd never created it?

It's the worst - social media was a turning point of our society. A bell that can never be unrung.

[Paranoid Android]

Didn't even one of the founders of Twitter say he wish he'd never created it?

It's the worst - social media was a turning point of our society. A bell that can never be unrung.

Are you thinking of Dorsey?

Jack Dorsey says his biggest regret is Twitter became a company

When asked about what structure he wished Twitter would operate under, Dorsey said that it should be "a protocol" and that Twitter should not be owned by a state or another company.

If it were a protocol, Twitter would operate much like email, which is not controlled by one centralized entity, and people using different email providers are able to communicate with one another.

Dorsey did say he regrets it, but was fine with taking it public to make him richer. Plus he wholeheartedly endorsed Musk, which from what he just confessed, seems to contradict his regret.

[Edge-]

Are you thinking of Dorsey?

Jack Dorsey says his biggest regret is Twitter became a company




Dorsey did say he regrets it, but was fine with taking it public to make him richer. Plus he wholeheartedly endorsed Musk, which from what he just confessed, seems to contradict his regret.

I mean, turning it into a protocol just pushes the responsibility off on third parties using it. So basically he wanted to have Twitter but take none of the responsibility in terms of the overall service itself. I'm not even sure how that would look short of a system somewhat similar to that "personal" social media service that lets you create your own micro-social media networks, just even more detached in terms of responsibility and operation.

In which case it jives perfectly with his support for Elon.

[Malkiah]

social media was a turning point of our society. A bell that can never be unrung.

here i'm afraid i must respectfully disagree with you.
social media is more like the MRI that detected the tumor - the cancer was already there, the only thing that actually changed physically is awareness of it and reaction to it.
social media is not responsible for the overwhelmingly vast majority of humans being literally, physically, retarded.
the world we're seeing right now is the inexorable end-game of a species that eliminated selective breeding on the basis of any positive criteria thousands of years ago, combined with a near total elimination of any natural population control.

you can easily explain the state of the world by just looking at what would happen if you just had 7 billion toddlers - a bunch of confused and totally incompetent dullards who's brains don't work right uselessly flailing and slowly destroying everything around them.

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I mean, turning it into a protocol just pushes the responsibility off on third parties using it. So basically he wanted to have Twitter but take none of the responsibility in terms of the overall service itself. I'm not even sure how that would look short of a system somewhat similar to that "personal" social media service that lets you create your own micro-social media networks, just even more detached in terms of responsibility and operation.

In which case it jives perfectly with his support for Elon.

also if it were a protocol, some means of communication that is inherently decentralized and allows anyone to talk to anyone, it would just be.... email.
except, it wouldn't be posted in public for everyone to look at.

so this fuckstick's goal was basically to invent email but everyone on the planet gets to look at it.

[Edge-]

also if it were a protocol, some means of communication that is inherently decentralized and allows anyone to talk to anyone, it would just be.... email.
except, it wouldn't be posted in public for everyone to look at.

so this fuckstick's goal was basically to invent email but everyone on the planet gets to look at it.

I'm not tech savvy enough to know if a protocol can be public or not so I'm assuming, for the same of giving Dorsey maximum benefit of the doubt that he does not deserve, that it can.

Because the alternative is what you say: He wanted to reinvent email, and that's infinitely more dumb.

[Malkiah]

I'm not tech savvy enough to know if a protocol can be public or not so I'm assuming, for the same of giving Dorsey maximum benefit of the doubt that he does not deserve, that it can.

Because the alternative is what you say: He wanted to reinvent email, and that's infinitely more dumb.

i am tech savvy enough to understand that he's saying, and what he's saying is fucking stupid almost beyond the capacity for credulity.

when you talk about something being 'a protocol' you're basically saying that it's a fundamental set of rules and interactions that become in effect universal to the whole of the system - IE, the way that the primary email protocols allow any email server to talk to any other email server and there is basically never an issue of email servers not understanding each other, because the coding language of email is a constant everywhere.

so this guy wanted to make "posting my shit in public for everyone to look at" an inherent aspect of the fundamental architecture that underlies the entirety of the concept of the internet.

[cubby]

Are you thinking of Dorsey?

Jack Dorsey says his biggest regret is Twitter became a company

When asked about what structure he wished Twitter would operate under, Dorsey said that it should be "a protocol" and that Twitter should not be owned by a state or another company.

If it were a protocol, Twitter would operate much like email, which is not controlled by one centralized entity, and people using different email providers are able to communicate with one another.

Dorsey did say he regrets it, but was fine with taking it public to make him richer. Plus he wholeheartedly endorsed Musk, which from what he just confessed, seems to contradict his regret.

I did, yeah, Dorsey - I didn't realize it was the structure he regretted rather than the actual company.

[Endus]

I mean, turning it into a protocol just pushes the responsibility off on third parties using it. So basically he wanted to have Twitter but take none of the responsibility in terms of the overall service itself. I'm not even sure how that would look short of a system somewhat similar to that "personal" social media service that lets you create your own micro-social media networks, just even more detached in terms of responsibility and operation.

In which case it jives perfectly with his support for Elon.

I'm also reasonably sure his praise was more than a little tongue-in-cheek; he left Twitter because he didn't like the direction it had to go, he took Bluesky with him because he thought it had potential as a replacement and didn't want to leave it with Twitter. His praise for Musk should be seen in that light; he's saying Musk is a perfect fit for the toxic system he bailed on, as he's quietly entering beta testing on his new service that could quite easily turn out to be a Twitter-killer. While simultaneously providing a lot of what Musk claims to want Twitter to provide but will never actually allow it to (like an approximation of a public square; not possible on Twitter as long as Musk retains ownership and control, but at least theoretically possible through a decentralized protocol like what Bluesky is supposed to be).

[PC2]

Didn't even one of the founders of Twitter say he wish he'd never created it?

It's the worst - social media was a turning point of our society. A bell that can never be unrung.

But that seems like a Luddite attitude, a rejection of societal progress. These new technologies and platforms are better than what Baby Boomers had access to in their twenties/thirties. They give us more options at the tips of our fingers. We can follow and interact with our favorite artists and scientists in order to get a glimpse into their latest work, and people can create new kinds of businesses which expands our economy... Yes there are some flaws with these new technologies but you can't name a single flaw that can't be ironed out over the long-term.

[Draco-Onis]

you can't name a single flaw that can't be ironed out over the long-term.

Yes, it's called human nature you may have heard of it.

[Edge-]

Yes there are some flaws with these new technologies but you can't name a single flaw that can't be ironed out over the long-term.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juicero

This was a fairly un-iron-outable flaw with a new technology. Almost like some new technology is actually just a bad idea!

[Paranoid Android]

So back to Birdwatch, aka Twitter fact check.

Sure seems there is a bias and political leaning going on. Once more Birdwatch is based on you voluntarily signing up and algorithm.



https://twitter.com/timheidecker/sta...ImqqJrVsD_HtmQ

Does this really need to be fact checked? Showing the flaw here, I think.

[Malkiah]

Does this really need to be fact checked? Showing the flaw here, I think.

when:
A. twitter is used by a lot of people as a source for information about the world, and twitter is used by established organizations as a source for news,
and also
B. humans are incomprehensibly fucking stupid, lazy, and ignorant,
than:
C. yes, basically everything with over 8 views or retweets should be fact checked.

[NoiseTank13]

So back to Birdwatch, aka Twitter fact check.

Sure seems there is a bias and political leaning going on. Once more Birdwatch is based on you voluntarily signing up and algorithm.



https://twitter.com/timheidecker/sta...ImqqJrVsD_HtmQ

Does this really need to be fact checked? Showing the flaw here, I think.

Sadly yes.

People have become too intellectually lazy to do any sort of critical thinking.