Elon Musk Buys Twitter

[Endus]

Sure, they were all Germans and fought for Germany. On that, we do agree.

Nazi Germany.

Keep defending Nazis.

[Specialka]

Nazi Germany.

Keep defending Nazis.

Keep sprouting nonsense and lobbing all people under the same tag without any kind of discrimination.

[Strange One]

Keep sprouting nonsense and lobbing all people under the same tag without any kind of discrimination.

So people fighting for nazi germany weren't nazis?

Is that your argument?

[Endus]

Keep sprouting nonsense and lobbing all people under the same tag without any kind of discrimination.

See, but I'm not doing that. I'm identifying people who fought for and in defense of the Nazi Reich and supported the Nazi Reich's ideals, and based on those facts, I'm determining they were a Nazi. There is no "lobbing all people", it's an individual assessment every time. It's just that the only evidence we need is their support of Nazism, which is proven by their military service in support of that regime. That's literally the "discrimination" between individuals you're claiming I'm not engaging in.

It's like if we wanted to determine who were KKK members, and I said anyone who wore the robes and participated in KKK meetings and cross-burnings to intimidate black Americans was a Klan member. That's the same argument, and what you find unacceptable.

[Cthulhu 2020]

"Actual Nazis aren't really nazis and you're bad for calling them Nazis!"

That certainly is a take. But this is a thread about Musk's tiny ego and Twitter.

In other news Musk sells almost 4 billion in shares from Tesla after the Twitter deal.

It's almost as if his acquisition of Twitter was a huge mistake because he's a giant manchild that doesn't know how to run social media, and whose personal political views are poisoning the viability of advertising on Twitter. He's operating at a loss of at least 4 million every day.

Also, let's not forget that Musk announced he was firing 75% of employees before he actually did it, so tiktok, meta (Facebook) Tumblr and other social media sites offered semi-generous packages to Twitter's best employees and sniped them. Then Musk fired the rest of his best staff, including the human rights department as well as the moderation department. Now he's trying to hire people back?

I wonder how many people are willing to work for the billionaire manchild proto-fascist who just fired them. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...



Man, forcing Musk to buy Twitter seems to have been the most epic troll of this decade.

[Specialka]

See, but I'm not doing that. I'm identifying people who fought for and in defense of the Nazi Reich and supported the Nazi Reich's ideals, and based on those facts, I'm determining they were a Nazi. There is no "lobbing all people", it's an individual assessment every time. It's just that the only evidence we need is their support of Nazism, which is proven by their military service in support of that regime. That's literally the "discrimination" between individuals you're claiming I'm not engaging in.

It's like if we wanted to determine who were KKK members, and I said anyone who wore the robes and participated in KKK meetings and cross-burnings to intimidate black Americans was a Klan member. That's the same argument, and what you find unacceptable.

I guess then than, for instance, all iraki soldiers were fervent supporters of Saddam under his rule.

[Mayhem]

I guess then than, for instance, all iraki soldiers were fervent supporters of Saddam under his rule.

No, of course not, they invaded Kuwait for shits and giggles. Is this really a hill you want to die on? Did the soldiers of the third reich actually support the third reich?

[Edge-]

So the "official verification" checkmark idea is already dead apparently - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1590383366213611522

We hardly got to know you, brilliant solution to a problem created by Elon making the solution to the initial problem of verification into the problem it was designed to fix.

But worry not, peasants! Elon has the next brilliant solution almost ready - https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status...18790759956483

Twitter Blue accounts and verified accounts will share the same checkmark! You need to click on it to see what kind of checkmark that is, whether it's just someone wasting $8/month or if it's actually the person/organization they claim to be. That'll make everything much more clear!

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OT: Since Elon has just come right out and said Twitter will be doing a lot of dumb shit in the coming days/weeks/months, can we just expect to see a lot more advertisers pause/leave? They typically want a stable platform, not one constantly changing at the whims of a child.

The exodus continues, and will continue. And if the MIT data showing that Twitter has already lost around a million users is accurate and that trend continues, it will only get worse for poor Elon.

Seriously, he really need to make sure he never steps foot in a Saudi embassy for the rest of his life.

[Edge-]

Already seems to be going quite well.

Wow, I'm glad that Twitter has a large, robust content moderation team to handle these kinds of issues.

Wait...they almost all got laid off and there are barely a dozen people left on that team?

Erm...oops?

[Paranoid Android]

OK, I'm starting a thread of paid bluecheck accounts that impersonate actual verified bluecheck accounts.

May as well start with the account pretending to be Twitter itself to get access to crypto wallets. twitter.com/AGoldmund/stat…

https://twitter.com/dansinker/status...pMIwvLzZw&s=19

Probably will become the most abused part of Twitter
Criminals fish people to go to 'official' Twitter with link to give financial information and what not.

Can't wait until this happens to an advertiser say Citibank.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Almost nothing shocks me especially online but holy fuck. Elon Musk crashing and burning Twitter this fast is OMFG!

People are trolling the shit out of Twitter. Starting to wonder if people saying it’s going to collapse are right.

[Draco-Onis]

Almost nothing shocks me especially online but holy fuck. Elon Musk crashing and burning Twitter this fast is OMFG!

People are trolling the shit out of Twitter. Starting to wonder if people saying it’s going to collapse are right.

It's not going to collapse anytime soon I would think more like it will bleed slowly to death however even in my wildest dreams did I think Elon would make so many fuck ups.

[Iliena]

Its weird the shit you can find on Youtube at 2am!

[Jastall]

It's not going to collapse anytime soon I would think more like it will bleed slowly to death however even in my wildest dreams did I think Elon would make so many fuck ups.

Yeah, it's got too big a userbase to collapse in the way some people believe it will, but it sure is bleeding users already leaving the door wide open to competition. If this keeps up I'm not sure many will be using Twitter in three to five years.

[Lynarii]

Yeah, it's got too big a userbase to collapse in the way some people believe it will, but it sure is bleeding users already leaving the door wide open to competition. If this keeps up I'm not sure many will be using Twitter in three to five years.

I don't know about that. It's never been profitable to begin with, but if he chases all the advertisers out it'll hemorrhage even more cash. It's not going to crash immediately because all the users leave overnight, but it CAN devolve into a 4chan style mess with 0 profits that quickly, and he might shut it down himself at that point.

[Mayhem]

https://help.twitter.com/en/managing...ified-accounts

they can't even keep up with their own nonsense

official is already gone but still on their site

also I really like these clear easy to understand rules:

"Twitter Blue subscribers’ blue checkmarks may be taken away at any time for any reason at all by Twitter"

"Legacy verified accounts also may be taken away at any time for any reason at all by Twitter"

[PrimiOne]

This is like a brainstorming session. Your boss convoke a meeting and tells you: " There's no stupid suggestions....we are brainstorming here". Someone proposes something A level retarded and your boss say:" That is stupid. Let's do it"

This is twitter now except that the session is streamed live and public.

[Yriel]

It's just that the only evidence we need is their support of Nazism, which is proven by their military service in support of that regime.

To be fair, they didn't have much choice in that. Both my Grandpas fought in the war and both were definitiely not nazis (as in supporting the Nazi ideals). One was executed because he refused to shoot russian partisans since he was himself half russian. The other lucked out and was in Norway, didn't shoot a single shot in the war, made even friends there that he visited for decades after the war every year. And boy did he hate the Nazi party. But when they came to draft it was either that or the camps.

[Cthulhu 2020]

https://twitter.com/JackMLawrence/st...80221257359361

It took me less than 25 minutes to set up a fake anonymous Apple ID using a VPN and disposable email, attach a masked debit card to it (with the address being Twitter's HQ), and get a verified account for a prominent figure. Just think what a nation-state or bad actor could do...

Twitter wants to pass the verification steps off to Apple and card providers but Apple didn't check a single detail and you can easily find disposable cards with no links to you or even stolen/hacked card details if you're a particularly malicious actor. The policy is unworkable

Twitter claims they've raised costs for malicious actors but I think they've actually lowered them. Now anyone with $8 can buy a verified badge rather than having to hire someone to hack a verified's account or trawl through password leaks.

It's not impersonations of high-profile accounts that are the problem. It's the person impersonating a minor online celebrity, an obscure government functionary, or perhaps their ex. That's where the harm will be done and no one will notice or care until it's far too late

The problem with the argument that "the verification system now just means something different and we should accept that" is that the new system is very unintuitive and counter to what every other SM site does. If you're not terminally online you may not realise what's happened

There will be a few examples of big accounts doing big damage but I suspect the more common scenario we'll see is small to medium size accounts doing small to medium size damage (or big damage to a small number of people). It'll be death by a thousand cuts not a single blow

It’s even worse than this. Twitter will have no way to know which of the 7 accounts claiming to be Dr X is really Dr X. They may find fakes but they’ll ban many real users, too.

This is a really good point. If everyone can get verified (without anybody actually verifying their identity at any stage of the process) how will anyone - let alone twitter - know who the real Dr X is?

Earlier this year it was revealed that 57 UK MP’s didn’t have twitter accounts. What’s to stop someone starting up an account as one of them? As long as you don’t go overboard the impersonation could take a while to be detected. (h/t
@GidMK

My argument is not only that bad stuff might happen. It was also a response to twitter’s repeated claims that just because they’re not doing verification it doesn’t mean no one is. My experiment debunks this claim. No one checked my identity at any stage.

As I said earlier during the Elon Musk Twitter Space meeting with the advertisers: Twitter should focus on prevention rather than mitigation with the impersonation issue. As long as they only treat impersonation as their problem AFTER it’s happened I’m not sure they’ll get far

Infosec and cybersec people are ringing alarm bells at how huge a fuck up being able to buy the authentication check mark is. It's not the big names that it's a danger, it's people impersonating smaller names and committing phishing and crypto scams, among other things, in their name.

[Mayhem]

To be fair, they didn't have much choice in that. Both my Grandpas fought in the war and both were definitiely not nazis (as in supporting the Nazi ideals). One was executed because he refused to shoot russian partisans since he was himself half russian. The other lucked out and was in Norway, didn't shoot a single shot in the war, made even friends there that he visited for decades after the war every year. And boy did he hate the Nazi party. But when they came to draft it was either that or the camps.

Hm looks at Iran and the women that keep protesting despite rape and executions

yeah

not much of a choice