Elon Musk Buys Twitter

[Kaleredar]

Give examples of what is restrictive now vs what won’t be.

Because nothing happens s going to change. Except Elon hold all the liability.

My primary concern is him saying "well, it's free speech" while letting people spread unfettered lies, because apathy is easy for someone with billions of dollars.

At least within the US, that misinformation was incredibly harmful in 2016, 2020 and over the course of COVID. Twitter already was doing the bare minimum to combat them.

More topically, how much less concrete would US support for Ukraine if Trump had been allowed a platform to spread Russian disinformation on the daily, rather than his second-hand, sporadic statements kicked out.

[Branflakes6000]

My primary concern is him saying "well, it's free speech" while letting people spread unfettered lies, because apathy is easy for someone with billions of dollars.

At least within the US, that misinformation was incredibly harmful in 2016, 2020 and over the course of COVID. Twitter already was doing the bare minimum to combat them.

More topically, how much less concrete would US support for Ukraine if Trump had been allowed a platform to spread Russian disinformation on the daily, rather than his second-hand, sporadic statements kicked out.

unfettered? the reply and quote tweet buttons are right there. ratio them with or without facts and logic.

[Endus]

I'm purely talking about what I'm free to do on any given website, that is dictated by its rules/ToS. I'm not talking about my freedom as an american citizen. If rules aren't as restrictive, I am less restricted in my on-site activities.

You set out talking about "restricted speech".

Twitter's moderation doesn't affect your speech rights or freedoms in any way.

[Kaleredar]

unfettered? the reply and quote tweet buttons are right there. ratio them with or without facts and logic.

The people who are influenced by this kind of rapid misinformation aren't going to be swayed by informational retorts.

All of the COVID misinformation- horse dewormer, UVs, 5G, vaccine misinformation- all of that HAD logical rebukes out the wazoo. But people didn't bother to read those, because they heard the headline or tweet or whatever that solidified their worldview and they stopped at that.

[Edge-]

I'm just waiting for the inevitable, "Put a computer chip in my head for ENHANCED FREEDOM, Daddy Musk." to start. I don't expect it will be long.

[Branflakes6000]

You set out talking about "restricted speech".

Twitter's moderation doesn't affect your speech rights or freedoms in any way.

it was a mocking reply to a post about "conservative freedom of speech" platforms

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The people who are influenced by this kind of rapid misinformation aren't going to be swayed by informational retorts.

All of the COVID misinformation- horse dewormer, UVs, 5G, vaccine misinformation- all of that HAD logical rebukes out the wazoo. But people didn't bother to read those, because they heard the headline or tweet or whatever that solidified their worldview and they stopped at that.

if they took all that immediately at face value, their worldview was already solidified

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I find it amusing that the man who made electric cars viable, popular, and profitable, has become "the bad guy".

[Doctor Amadeus]

My primary concern is him saying "well, it's free speech" while letting people spread unfettered lies, because apathy is easy for someone with billions of dollars.

At least within the US, that misinformation was incredibly harmful in 2016, 2020 and over the course of COVID. Twitter already was doing the bare minimum to combat them.

More topically, how much less concrete would US support for Ukraine if Trump had been allowed a platform to spread Russian disinformation on the daily, rather than his second-hand, sporadic statements kicked out.

Yeah I hear what you’re saying but if it puts your mind at ease much of this purchase has less to do with musk and more to do with who ultimately ends up with the lability.

Musk may continue to be stupid but many realities will reign him in it. He has a huge target on his back.

Therefore many of the same restraints that are in their lace now aren’t going anywhere.

Elon Musk can’t reinvent the wheel here or even change the ultimate mechanism in place. He can come unban whoever he wants however he can also be held liable for any harm they cause.

That’s why some complain about Twitter now. There is no conspiracy the only way you ever got banned in reality is when that liability extended to the board and ownership. Not because Twitter has ever been left or right.


But as I said before Elon likely just flushed billions down the toilet because honestly there is nowhere new to go on Twitter.

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I find it amusing that the man who made electric cars viable, popular, and profitable, has become "the bad guy".

Because he didn’t do any of those things he just invested and became the face of those products. Their success had little or nothing to do with it.

And he was never a good guy to begin with, as to being a bad guy who knows. He has become a jackass though.

Something that will come back to ruin him right or left.

[postman1782]

Good news. Hopefully free speech is restored to Twitter.

You never lost free speech on Twitter, because you never had it. You ONLY GET FREE SPEECH with the fucking government.

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I know several people who were banned for wrongthink and moved to gab, minds, and telegram. Looks like they'll be able to come back soon.

No, you know several people that broke the fucking TOS and got consequences for it.

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Hmmm... maybe I should buy MMO-Champion...

I don't think we have to worry about you buying anything.

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They have...Getr, Gab, Parler, Truth Social, Frank etc. were all created to be "free speech" platforms.

Yet nobody has actually bothered to use them, and they struggle to retain their "conservative influencers" since they apparently require libs to own to create content, so they've all mostly returned to Twitter/Insta since it was never about "freeze peach" for them, it was about being able to create content "owning the libs" to continue making money from their audience.

And yet, they all have the same ToS, even some saying that you can't make fun of them like Truth Social does. So not actual real free speech platforms.

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i'm saying go make restricted speech twitter now

You don't have free speech anywhere, except with the government.

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far less restricted than it was judging by all that elon has said about it

Wrong. You think he is a free speech absolutist, but he isn't. He has actually sued to stop people from speaking about him.

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if the ToS becomes less restrictive, the platform becomes more free for the users. there's nothing to misunderstand there.

I can guarantee that it isn't going to change much. Because they would just turn into another GAB, Parler, Gettr, or Truth Social. Basically in the shitter.

[CostinR]

You never lost free speech on Twitter, because you never had it. You ONLY GET FREE SPEECH with the fucking government.

I am going to laugh and use this argument exactly when people start getting furious over what Elon Musk did.

This whole thing is just delicious irony, because the very people that advocated and argued in favor of Twitter being able to do whatever it wanted are the very ones furious over what Musk could do.

Perhaps the solution is not to allow such incredibly powerful social media platforms that have an incredible influence over our lives be governed in what is and isn't allowed be control by private actors: Certainly we in Europe refuse this bullshit argument.

By the way fun fact: When the courts rule in favor of social media platforms, they do so on the basis of Freedom of Speech.

[Grapemask]

I am going to laugh and use this argument exactly when people start getting furious over what Elon Musk did.

This whole thing is just delicious irony, because the very people that advocated and argued in favor of Twitter being able to do whatever it wanted are the very ones furious over what Musk could do.

This is hopelessly twisting the argument to something altogether different.

Perhaps the solution is not to allow such incredibly powerful social media platforms that have an incredible influence over our lives be governed in what is and isn't allowed be control by private actors: Certainly we in Europe refuse this bullshit argument.

What? No you don't. Europe has more government regulation, and on top of it, those companies can largely do the same things.

By the way fun fact: When the courts rule in favor of social media platforms, they do so on the basis of Freedom of Speech.

Mostly also no. It depends entirely on the case and what is being decided. A social media platform has the right to tell people to leave on the same basis that an owner of a restaurant can eject a beligerent customer, or you can kick unruly people out of your house.

It is baffling that any serious person could try to seriously promote the idea that freedom of speech means erasing the freedom of others to dislike what you have to say.

[Rethul Ur No]

Mayo Angelou's thoughts on Elon's takeover

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

I find it amusing that the man who made electric cars viable, popular, and profitable, has become "the bad guy".

When was he ever "the good guy"?

[s_bushido]

When was he ever "the good guy"?

In the fever dreams of those who believe that the con-man is some sort of IRL Tony Stark.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

When was he ever "the good guy"?

Tesla has done more for the environment than any government energy program has done.

[KrayZ33]

Tesla has done more for the environment than any government energy program has done.

Is that so? In what way?

By doing his shit-coin bullshit he is already damaging the environment more than anything.
And his factories aren't really helpful for the local habitat of several species either, not to mention the extreme water consumption and defilement of drinking water.
You can't possibly mean that he has done more for the environment simply by selling EVs?

And when it comes to organised labour, he isn't really better than, for example, Amazon.
I remember reading that the new factory in Brandenburg for example pays 20% less than the bargained wage standards for the industry.

Overall he is a rich asshole like everyone else. You don't get rich by being "nice".

[postman1782]

I am going to laugh and use this argument exactly when people start getting furious over what Elon Musk did.

This whole thing is just delicious irony, because the very people that advocated and argued in favor of Twitter being able to do whatever it wanted are the very ones furious over what Musk could do.

Perhaps the solution is not to allow such incredibly powerful social media platforms that have an incredible influence over our lives be governed in what is and isn't allowed be control by private actors: Certainly we in Europe refuse this bullshit argument.

By the way fun fact: When the courts rule in favor of social media platforms, they do so on the basis of Freedom of Speech.

Why? It is 100% true. You don't get free speech ANYWHERE but with the government. And they rule that way, because of Citizen's United. It is their freedom of speech and freedom of association, as well as private property. Because they are using private servers to post bullshit.

[Mihalik]

Tesla has done more for the environment than any government energy program has done.

Your childish simplistic one liners are pathetic.

But first thing first.

Tesla's EV or battery manufacturing is not an "energy program" by any definition of the word. So if you consider any program that was meant to reduce pollution somehow, Tesla has done fuckall, compared to for example these two government programs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_...United_States) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol.

When it comes to energy programs...The French nuclear program has done more for the environment last Tuesday than Tesla has done throughout its entire existence. And that's exactly one example out of possible hundreds.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Tesla has done more for the environment than any government energy program has done.

Sure

https://www.coolerfuture.com/blog/tesla-sustainability

Right now, Tesla is planning to have new factories – an expansion in China and a completely new Gigafactory in India. China gets 56.8% of its energy from coal, India also relies heavily on coal and is even building new coal plants despite climate change.

So while Tesla claims it is all about “saving the world”, are these the most environmentally-friendly locations to build a factory?

In addition, large quantities of toxic chemicals are used in the extraction of lithium. In an article published by Wired, it is described that the soil, which contains lithium, is thus heavily contaminated – and this is despite the fact that only 0.2% of the affected soil contains the valuable metal. The other 99.8% destined to be contaminated with toxic chemicals is dumped back into the environment. In Bolivia, Chile and Argentina, known as “the lithium triangle”, this has led to huge environmental problems like soil contamination and water shortages.

In addition to lithium, Tesla also needs cobalt for their EVs, which they mine in the Democratic Republic of Congo alongside other tech giants like Apple, Dell and Microsoft. There, cobalt mining is linked with severe (and multiple) human rights violations. And yes, we’re talking children as young as 6 mining cobalt for Tesla’s EVs for $3 a day.

So this we can conclude: Just by mining rare metals, Tesla already violates not one but several of the Sustainable Development Goals.

But the list of Tesla’s problems doesn’t stop there. In addition to the rare metal issue, there is another important one: water.

According to German media reports, Tesla’s new Gigafactory that is currently being built in Brandenburg, Germany will consume an incredible amount of water.

To be precise: the Brandenburg factory will consume about 3.6 million cubic metres of water per year, which is roughly 30% of the total water in the region. According to experts, this could even lead to a water shortage.

Tesla has also failed to publish official figures on their water use or waste levels. In addition, their report only briefly mentions that “they are currently working” on improving the recycling system for their old batteries.

Tesla is far from being transparent, and where there’s no transparency, there’s no sustainability.

In a study by Arabesque, which was analysed by Forbes, Tesla ranked in the bottom 15% in terms of company disclosure and transparency.

How come a company "so green" hardly publishes any figures or targets relating to its emissions, climate change, and other Sustainable Development Goals?

"Good Guy" Elon Musk

[niztheundead87]

as long as the batteries are made by the same material and energy is produced by the same manner nothing really changes , even if you gave everyone a tesla which you cant , tesla is a car for the rich mostly.

as for twatter , fuck that who cares