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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    When was he ever "the good guy"?
    Tesla has done more for the environment than any government energy program has done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    Tesla has done more for the environment than any government energy program has done.
    Is that so? In what way?

    By doing his shit-coin bullshit he is already damaging the environment more than anything.
    And his factories aren't really helpful for the local habitat of several species either, not to mention the extreme water consumption and defilement of drinking water.
    You can't possibly mean that he has done more for the environment simply by selling EVs?

    And when it comes to organised labour, he isn't really better than, for example, Amazon.
    I remember reading that the new factory in Brandenburg for example pays 20% less than the bargained wage standards for the industry.

    Overall he is a rich asshole like everyone else. You don't get rich by being "nice".
    Last edited by KrayZ33; 2022-04-26 at 07:23 AM.

  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    I am going to laugh and use this argument exactly when people start getting furious over what Elon Musk did.

    This whole thing is just delicious irony, because the very people that advocated and argued in favor of Twitter being able to do whatever it wanted are the very ones furious over what Musk could do.

    Perhaps the solution is not to allow such incredibly powerful social media platforms that have an incredible influence over our lives be governed in what is and isn't allowed be control by private actors: Certainly we in Europe refuse this bullshit argument.

    By the way fun fact: When the courts rule in favor of social media platforms, they do so on the basis of Freedom of Speech.
    Why? It is 100% true. You don't get free speech ANYWHERE but with the government. And they rule that way, because of Citizen's United. It is their freedom of speech and freedom of association, as well as private property. Because they are using private servers to post bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    Tesla has done more for the environment than any government energy program has done.
    Your childish simplistic one liners are pathetic.

    But first thing first.

    Tesla's EV or battery manufacturing is not an "energy program" by any definition of the word. So if you consider any program that was meant to reduce pollution somehow, Tesla has done fuckall, compared to for example these two government programs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_...United_States) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol.

    When it comes to energy programs...The French nuclear program has done more for the environment last Tuesday than Tesla has done throughout its entire existence. And that's exactly one example out of possible hundreds.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    It doesnt destroy the land to bury styrofoam 25 feet below the ground
    Today Obama once again kneeled at the altar of environmental naziism and hurt this once great country. He has now banned all drilling in the Atlantic Ocean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    Tesla has done more for the environment than any government energy program has done.
    Sure

    https://www.coolerfuture.com/blog/tesla-sustainability

    Right now, Tesla is planning to have new factories – an expansion in China and a completely new Gigafactory in India. China gets 56.8% of its energy from coal, India also relies heavily on coal and is even building new coal plants despite climate change.

    So while Tesla claims it is all about “saving the world”, are these the most environmentally-friendly locations to build a factory?
    In addition, large quantities of toxic chemicals are used in the extraction of lithium. In an article published by Wired, it is described that the soil, which contains lithium, is thus heavily contaminated – and this is despite the fact that only 0.2% of the affected soil contains the valuable metal. The other 99.8% destined to be contaminated with toxic chemicals is dumped back into the environment. In Bolivia, Chile and Argentina, known as “the lithium triangle”, this has led to huge environmental problems like soil contamination and water shortages.

    In addition to lithium, Tesla also needs cobalt for their EVs, which they mine in the Democratic Republic of Congo alongside other tech giants like Apple, Dell and Microsoft. There, cobalt mining is linked with severe (and multiple) human rights violations. And yes, we’re talking children as young as 6 mining cobalt for Tesla’s EVs for $3 a day.

    So this we can conclude: Just by mining rare metals, Tesla already violates not one but several of the Sustainable Development Goals.
    But the list of Tesla’s problems doesn’t stop there. In addition to the rare metal issue, there is another important one: water.

    According to German media reports, Tesla’s new Gigafactory that is currently being built in Brandenburg, Germany will consume an incredible amount of water.

    To be precise: the Brandenburg factory will consume about 3.6 million cubic metres of water per year, which is roughly 30% of the total water in the region. According to experts, this could even lead to a water shortage.
    Tesla has also failed to publish official figures on their water use or waste levels. In addition, their report only briefly mentions that “they are currently working” on improving the recycling system for their old batteries.

    Tesla is far from being transparent, and where there’s no transparency, there’s no sustainability.

    In a study by Arabesque, which was analysed by Forbes, Tesla ranked in the bottom 15% in terms of company disclosure and transparency.

    How come a company "so green" hardly publishes any figures or targets relating to its emissions, climate change, and other Sustainable Development Goals?
    "Good Guy" Elon Musk

    Last edited by Evil Midnight Bomber; 2022-04-26 at 08:30 AM.
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    as long as the batteries are made by the same material and energy is produced by the same manner nothing really changes , even if you gave everyone a tesla which you cant , tesla is a car for the rich mostly.

    as for twatter , fuck that who cares

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    To be precise: the Brandenburg factory will consume about 3.6 million cubic metres of water per year, which is roughly 30% of the total water in the region. According to experts, this could even lead to a water shortage.
    Oh I remember this being adressed in an interview when he was standing right in front of that factory alongside Armin Laschet.

    His "funny" answer to the reporter was: "That's ridiculous, look how much it rains here... ha ha ha ha"
    Fuck him.
    And Laschet, who was running for chancellorship during that time just "smiled" as well.
    Fuck him as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    Good. Shitter could use some more kremlin propaganda.
    I'd like them to actually yeet every account by a government official from the site, personally. Especially all the CCP and Russian shill accounts but literally everyone else too. Social media shouldn't be a place to push politics.

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    Hilarious that enforcing free speech causes such fervently negative reaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Hilarious that enforcing free speech causes such fervently negative reaction.
    its already got free speech tho...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Hilarious that enforcing free speech causes such fervently negative reaction.
    Oh look. Another Freeze Peach activist.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e-robert-reich

    Elon Musk wants to own Twitter to protect his ‘freedom’, not everyone else’s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Hilarious that enforcing hate speech causes such fervently negative reaction.
    There. Changed that for you.
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    I don't care much for Twitter, it's not a platform that interests me. But I always thought that Twitter was far too lenient when it came to spreading of hate (be it ISIS, neo-Nazis or fascist-lite speech). I would not say that Elon Musk is a "good guy" nor a "free speech champion". There are numerous links and sources to support this, I've seen some linked in this thread already.

    If he has his way I expect we'll see more neo-nazism and fascism spreading on Twitter and into our societies, possibly more censorship of posts that are critical of Musk (since he does have a history of this).

    Free speech absolutism necessarily invites hate and the most vile and dangerous posts you can think of - times eleven. I don't think this is good for society.
    "In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance." Paradox of tolerance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezerte View Post
    Free speech absolutism necessarily invites hate and the most vile and dangerous posts you can think of - times eleven.
    Free speech absolutism doesn't even exist. Everyone who claims to be a champion of free speech has their limit. Especially these right-wingnuts who push the narrative that it's conservatism that's being censored on these platforms, rather than the bigotry and conspiracy-mongering that their brand of conservatism breeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    In the fever dreams of those who believe that the con-man is some sort of IRL Tony Stark.
    Doesn't help that there is a documentary that literally calls him the "Real Life Iron Man."

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    As someone who doesn't use twitter and left back in 2016, seeing people mad at this news makes me laugh. The funny thing is the same people moaning and bitching about this news will still continue to use twitter like the addicts they are.

    twitter is and has always been a toxic platform and it deserves Elon Musk.

    I am just waiting for Elon to unban Trump, that will be hilarious, I wanna be a fly on the twitter wall when that happens, but alas once again I value my mental health xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    As someone who doesn't use twitter and left back in 2016, seeing people mad at this news makes me laugh. The funny thing is the same people moaning and bitching about this news will still continue to use twitter like the addicts they are.

    twitter is and has always been a toxic platform and it deserves Elon Musk.

    Meanwhile I am over here living my best life.
    ?

    Are people "mad"?
    As far as I can tell, some people just don't buy his dung about "free speech" or whatever that troll came up with and dislike the fact that he tries to look like a "good guy" when he isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33 View Post
    ?

    Are people "mad"?
    As far as I can tell, some people just don't buy his dung about "free speech" or whatever that troll came up with and dislike the fact that he tries to look like a "good guy" when he isn't.
    Are they not mad? I been told people were mad, if not then whatever :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    Free speech absolutism doesn't even exist.
    No doubt it's used as a way to virtue signal in this instance.
    "In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance." Paradox of tolerance

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