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    Every race can take up The Light now and become a Priest, choosing to stay at range in Cloth armor and smiting their foes in the name of The Light.

    What's to stop that Priest, following The Light, from putting on a set of Plate Armor, grabbing the nearest Warhammer, and bashing some Zombie Skulls in in the name of The Light? Or a Warrior from calling on The Light to empower his shield to protect the weak and vulnerable?

    Plus there's a few times with Paladins specifically where the non-paladin races that are currently in WoW have been shown to use Paladin abilities. Like the Nelf Chick in the Legion Class Hall questchain for Paladins.

    Human Druids? Gilnean "Harvest Witches" That never got bit by Worgen and escaped to Stormwind before the events of Cataclysm.
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    You can have your Undead Paladins, your Light-forged Warlocks, your Night Elf Shamans ... Just as long as I get my Dwarf Druids!

  3. #263
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    And why would they learn from the Forsaken?



    Technically, are you Alliance\Horde when you play a Demon Hunter?
    You know, even the Draenei were considered neutral in lore because they were so absent. It still didn't omit them from the Alliance.



    What's wrong with hostile?
    It means they can. The question is will they be willing.



    I totally agree.
    Unless, you provide a genuine lore reason.
    Why not?


    No, it's for gameplay reasons. The draenei officially joined the Alliance, helped in the BC, and disappeared. It also didn't help that Velen helped the Blood Elves, a race from the Horde, a lot. HH have NEVER joined the Alliance or the Horde.


    I can't understand, are you having trouble reading what I write? I didn't say they couldn't PHYSICALLY, I said it was against THEIR CULTURE. That's why I asked you for an example, and not some random draenei who is also hostile.



    You can invent any reason, it does not mean that it will be logical.

  4. #264
    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudmaker View Post
    Yea, I agree that’s a bit weird.
    Now that Sargeras has been defeated, is a Lightforged Warlock any weirder than a Lightforged Mage?

    Anything Demon Hunter needs more explanation. Why is anyone becoming a Demon Hunter when Demons aren't a problem anymore?

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    Believe it when i see it.

  6. #266
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Now that Sargeras has been defeated, is a Lightforged Warlock any weirder than a Lightforged Mage?

    Anything Demon Hunter needs more explanation. Why is anyone becoming a Demon Hunter when Demons aren't a problem anymore?
    Sargeras may be gone, and the Legion in decline, but does that necessarily mean that demons are just gone and not a problem anymore/never going to be a problem again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriani View Post
    Sargeras may be gone, and the Legion in decline, but does that necessarily mean that demons are just gone and not a problem anymore/never going to be a problem again?
    Considering they were effectively enslaved? Unlike the Scourge where they just have to remind us that there are still plenty of evil necromancers to take over where the Lich King left off, Demons seem like they'd love to play nice from now on. While domination magic did, necromancy doesn't directly come from The Lich King or the Jailer, while Fel Magic is repeatedly described as coming directly from Sargeras. There's chaos magic, but that's pretty different from the powers Sargeras offered his followers. And there really isn't any demon lords anywhere near that powerful on their own.

    There might be a new evil threat coming from demon kind but they would need another Titan-level patron to pose any kind of threat. It seems like Demons are now characterized as "alien refugees from the twisting nether."

    Demon Hunters even seem to be pulling away from their identity as demon fighters, what with it seemed like they were trying to establish Tyrande as the new Demon Hunter Paragon, what with giving her Warglaves & she, like the Illidari, were someone who made a dark pact for power & have to now find a purpose after that vow has been resolved. In terms of characterization, post-burning-legion, Warlocks are essentially the "Conjurer" class & Demon Hunters are the "Bloodhunter / Edgelord / elven van helsing" class
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    Warlock dranei lightforged??? Undead druid?
    Undead Druid work fine now that they have established the Kul Tirans being a reflection of the life/death cycle of nature as well as Ardenweald. Honestly, I would love Undead Druids to just use the Kul Tiran druid forms in different colors, honestly.

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    Lames: "Tauren no rouge!! Me angry at clippity-clop! No rouge go clip clop!"

    Like, horse boots and skids are a thing guys. I've seen 'em. If your only hang up is that rogues can't be sneaky with hooves, like thats a problem with a pretty easy solution. Now the issue of draenei and tauren being large and sneaky? They already established in lore that rogue stealth is a magical effect, and evwn if it wasnt, it's not like huge ass tigers and stuff arent sneaky IRL.
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    If true in the end then I hope it'll come with some cool and unique animations and graphics if nothing else.
    If you knew the candle was fire then the meal was cooked a long time ago.

  11. #271
    Quote Originally Posted by darkoms View Post
    Why not?
    They are not power hungry like Orcs were.

    No, it's for gameplay reasons. The draenei officially joined the Alliance, helped in the BC, and disappeared. It also didn't help that Velen helped the Blood Elves, a race from the Horde, a lot. HH have NEVER joined the Alliance or the Horde.
    So, i guess we play unofficial races? By all means, by those standards, Draenei should have become neutral.

    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Dem...n_introduction
    If Demon Hunters didn't join any faction, they would not have been sent to different capitals based on their race and would not have faction-specific quests.

    I can't understand, are you having trouble reading what I write? I didn't say they couldn't PHYSICALLY, I said it was against THEIR CULTURE. That's why I asked you for an example, and not some random draenei who is also hostile.
    Physically, anyone can.
    It's the lore that is in question. Would a race blessed by the Light be able to wield Fel? We know Death wielders can. Would they be willing to accept fel users among them? We'll have to see. Even Kil'jaeden changed in the last minute.

    You can invent any reason, it does not mean that it will be logical.
    I hope for a serious one. Not a quickly made one.

  12. #272
    I look forward to my masochistic undead paladin using the light to hurt himself. Zelliek would be proud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Now that Sargeras has been defeated, is a Lightforged Warlock any weirder than a Lightforged Mage?

    Anything Demon Hunter needs more explanation. Why is anyone becoming a Demon Hunter when Demons aren't a problem anymore?
    That's an interesting point. Perhaps an introduction quest would be required so that people are not confused. I just can't seem to make a Druid out of Undead. I don't know if it's even possible.
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  14. #274
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    They are not power hungry like Orcs were.



    So, i guess we play unofficial races? By all means, by those standards, Draenei should have become neutral.

    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Dem...n_introduction
    If Demon Hunters didn't join any faction, they would not have been sent to different capitals based on their race and would not have faction-specific quests.



    Physically, anyone can.
    It's the lore that is in question. Would a race blessed by the Light be able to wield Fel? We know Death wielders can. Would they be willing to accept fel users among them? We'll have to see. Even Kil'jaeden changed in the last minute.



    I hope for a serious one. Not a quickly made one.
    Those who seek power usually become warlocks.



    Should I repeat it again? Are you just not reading what I write? The Draenei officially joined the Alliance in BC. Demon Hunters have NEVER joined the Alliance, in the quest you are sent to offer your help to the Alliance and Horde and you find demons in the throne room. Unlike all other classes, Demon Hunters do not swear allegiance to Anduin or Sylvanas.



    Then why are you even pointing this draenei to me if we're not arguing about physical ability?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Fel Magic is repeatedly described as coming directly from Sargeras. There's chaos magic, but that's pretty different from the powers Sargeras offered his followers.
    Wat wat wat

  15. #275
    Quote Originally Posted by darkoms View Post
    Those who seek power usually become warlocks.
    Also Mages.
    Power and knowledge.
    None of which Tauren seek.

    Should I repeat it again? Are you just not reading what I write? The Draenei officially joined the Alliance in BC. Demon Hunters have NEVER joined the Alliance, in the quest you are sent to offer your help to the Alliance and Horde and you find demons in the throne room. Unlike all other classes, Demon Hunters do not swear allegiance to Anduin or Sylvanas.
    They don't need to?

    Then why are you even pointing this draenei to me if we're not arguing about physical ability?
    To show you a Draenei using the Fel despite his race being blessed by a Light being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Also Mages.
    Power and knowledge.
    None of which Tauren seek.



    They don't need to?



    To show you a Draenei using the Fel despite his race being blessed by a Light being.
    I'm glad we both agree that this decision is generally stupid.



    Yes, they don't because their faction is Illidari and they are loyal to Illidan (and now they are loyal to the player). Everything else is for gameplay reasons.





    I've already told you a million times that I don't argue with physical abilities. I said it's against their culture

  17. #277
    Quote Originally Posted by darkoms View Post
    I'm glad we both agree that this decision is generally stupid.
    Not if it exists in the RPG sources, naturally.

    Yes, they don't because their faction is Illidari and they are loyal to Illidan (and now they are loyal to the player). Everything else is for gameplay reasons.
    If they're loyal to the player, they're not loyal to the factions?
    Illidan is MIA at this point, they have no one to follow.

    I've already told you a million times that I don't argue with physical abilities. I said it's against their culture
    So it would seem. But, so was Shamanism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eosia View Post
    Do me a favor... Go floy over the Black Temple in Outland. Specifically the south terraces. Tell me, what do you see? Night Elves and High Elves training a DHs. No Orcs, no Tauren, no Gnomes, no Humans, no Trolls, no Goblins, no Kul'Tirans, etc. Just elves.

    If you haven't made a DH yet, let me break it down for you. An sorry for the spoilers...

    Demon Hunters start out as the events of the Black Temple raid are taking place. Illidan sends them on their mission to Mardum to steal the Sargerite Keystone just as BT is being attacked. When the DHs return, Maive has just delivered the killing blow to Illidan and she in turn imprisons them as well.

    So, in order for Blizzard to open it up, Illidan has to come back or another one like Altruis or Kayn need to pick up where Illidan left off and trained them.
    And all playable Death Knights were made by Arthas before the Ebon Blade rebelled at the start of WLK... untill Bolvar made more between BFA and SL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donkeywing View Post
    If anything the combos should be more restrictive for some classes as they lose a huge portion of their identity when it ''opens'' up to other races. Troll paladins are an offense to the lore. Taurens to a lesser extend, but if anyone can be a lightwhielding knight just from worshipping the sun then whats unique about being a paladin anymore?
    All of this is so some ppl can have their small dopamine moment of having their 8th alt be a new combo for a week or two before they stop caring. Anyone seeing many gnome hunters around? Major hype when it was announced of course, as always, but in practice I've yet to see one.

    These changes may be popular short-term, but after ppl stop caring about it, as they always do, these changes will forever damage the core lore, roleplaying aspects of wow and by extension permanently damage the warcraft IP.
    One of my 8 hunter alts is actually a gnome.

    Also, they should open up all races to be all classes down the line. More options are always good and actually, they make the classes lore even more unique as we would get stuff like Sunwalkers or Prelates but for other races which is quite awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Not if it exists in the RPG sources, naturally.



    If they're loyal to the player, they're not loyal to the factions?
    Illidan is MIA at this point, they have no one to follow.



    So it would seem. But, so was Shamanism.
    Having something in an RPG doesn't make it any less dumb. In the RPG, Daelin had a half-elf daughter with his elf lover, and Metzen himself called this story strange. If she is abruptly brought back into canon now, it won't make her story any less dumb.


    The player and DH have never joined factions unlike DK, you can only fight for them and participate in faction quests for gameplay reasons.


    Absolutely wrong. The elements have never done so much harm to the draenei people, and shamanism itself is not inherently corrupting.

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