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  1. #101
    I don't watch Fox News but what I've seen from his clips he doesn't seem racist. He seems very far conservative is all and a bit ignorant there. Are you confusing him with Sean Hannity because he is a racist.
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  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    I don't watch Fox News but what I've seen from his clips he doesn't seem racist. He seems very far conservative is all and a bit ignorant there. Are you confusing him with Sean Hannity because he is a racist.
    You have to be fucking delusional. He openly touts the "great replacement" theory, which is straight out of KKK and Nazi bullshit. Both Hannity and Tucker are racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    I don't watch Fox News but what I've seen from his clips he doesn't seem racist. He seems very far conservative is all and a bit ignorant there. Are you confusing him with Sean Hannity because he is a racist.
    I don't watch Fox either, but I have seen him on his great replacement theory others have mentioned as well as many examples of how he will paint a black person as a monster, lazy or other negative then another instance of the exact same thing with a white person whom he will paint as the victim and so on.

    They have an entire episode of Last Week Tonight devoted to him and they source the hell out of their stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    I don't watch Fox News but what I've seen from his clips he doesn't seem racist. He seems very far conservative is all and a bit ignorant there. Are you confusing him with Sean Hannity because he is a racist.
    Consistently attacking nonwhite immigrants is pretty stock standard racism, habibi.

    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    You have to be fucking delusional. He openly touts the "great replacement" theory, which is straight out of KKK and Nazi bullshit. Both Hannity and Tucker are racist.
    Oh, he's not delusional. Look at the active qualifier:

    he doesn't seem racist
    The implication being that he himself is so stepped in reactionary ideology that he's not capable of recognizing how toxic Carlson's viewpoints actually are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    I don't watch Fox News but what I've seen from his clips he doesn't seem racist. He seems very far conservative is all and a bit ignorant there. Are you confusing him with Sean Hannity because he is a racist.
    Here are some clips where Tucker does seem very racist and sexist. Skip to 3:20 if you aren't interested in how he got started on cable news and his journey from CNN to MSNBC to Fox. Skip to 5:00 for the start of his on-air bigotry on Fox News.



    If Tucker still doesn't seem racist to you after all of that...I don't know what to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEHPALLYTANK View Post
    Here are some clips where Tucker does seem very racist and sexist. Skip to 3:20 if you aren't interested in how he got started on cable news and his journey from CNN to MSNBC to Fox. Skip to 5:00 for the start of his on-air bigotry on Fox News.


    If Tucker still doesn't seem racist to you after all of that...I don't know what to say.
    The simple truth is that Tucker Carlson doesn't seem racist . . . to other racists.

    It really doesn't get that much more complex. His racist bullshit just comes off as totally normal stuff if you're racist, too.


  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Eh, that's just Carlson repeating the original white supremacist rhetoric with only the slightest of sanitization. I mean, he deleted all the racial slurs at least.
    These ideas might not have originated with Tucker but he's definitely one of the latest people to be pushing it and he is one of the most viewed cable news personalities and the shooter most likely got these ideas from Tucker since his content is so easily accessible.

  8. #108
    The psychology of the Right. They cry victim enough. Have the audience viewers, generally white majority America and where people like Tucker and can literally spew white supremacist talking points and our public has to give these racists credence on a major news network, carried by every cable and internet company. Pretty sweet deal they have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    The psychology of the Right. They cry victim enough. Have the audience viewers, generally white majority America and where people like Tucker and can literally spew white supremacist talking points and our public has to give these racists credence on a major news network, carried by every cable and internet company. Pretty sweet deal they have.
    And when their Lone Wolf snaps and kills a bunch of people, it just reduced the opposing parties voters.
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  10. #110
    Well, now we see what the right's whinging about this event is. Conservatives, as coordinated as ever, got Waukesha trending. If you recall, a black man drove through a parade and killed 6 white people. All the usual suspects, Candace Owens, Jack Posobiec, etc, are lamenting that the "media" won't cover the "black supremacist who killed white people" and are instead focusing on this "mentally ill" white supremacist driving 3.5 hours to a black neighborhood to kill my neighbors.

    Of course, they suffer from massive problems of......well, being fucking liars.

    We know this is a case of white supremacy because the dude wrote a nearly 200 page manifesto.

    In the Waukesha case, iirc, the dude was fleeing police on an DV arrest and......well, didn't stop for a parade, killing 6 people. There was no indications of racial animus in the event itself. I'm not sure if they ever looked into his background and declared him a "black supremacist." But that doesn't matter to these chucklefucks.

  11. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    I'm not sure if they ever looked into his background and declared him a "black supremacist." But that doesn't matter to these chucklefucks.
    I want to say that back when it happened, I remember there being the typical "he had BLM stuff on his social media" justification for the talking point conservative racists were using. But it shouldn't be surprising to anyone that they'll dig up a black criminal to highlight whenever a white guy drives 3 hours out of his way to murder black people after posting a manifesto that reads explicitly like the shit Fucker Carlson says every night to millions of viewers. Anything to distract from reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Of course, they suffer from massive problems of......well, being fucking liars.
    Hey, just because someone responds to the NYTimes in-depth investigation with a no-evidence personal anecdote doesn't make them a liar. It just means their opinion is heavily outclassed and outweighted, even if they weren't intentionally lying or trolling.

    Oh, you mean in general. My bad, please continue.

  13. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    I don't watch Fox News but what I've seen from his clips he doesn't seem racist. He seems very far conservative is all and a bit ignorant there. Are you confusing him with Sean Hannity because he is a racist.
    Tucker engages with the white replacement conspiracy theory and sees diversity as a weakness. That diversity is a threat to our country. He said immigrants made our country poorer, dirtier, and more divided.
    He also got eerily close to the 14 words by saying we have to fight to preserve our nation's culture and heritage. Called Iraq as being filled with semi-literate primitive monkeys. Said that their culture doesn't use toilet paper or forks.
    David duke praised his show for getting its message out.

    The Daily Stormer a Neo Nazi website has some authors watch his show twice, one to watch and the second to take notes on.

    Neo nazis love tucker carlson and see him as how they get their message across a broader audience
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  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Well, now we see what the right's whinging about this event is. Conservatives, as coordinated as ever, got Waukesha trending. If you recall, a black man drove through a parade and killed 6 white people. All the usual suspects, Candace Owens, Jack Posobiec, etc, are lamenting that the "media" won't cover the "black supremacist who killed white people" and are instead focusing on this "mentally ill" white supremacist driving 3.5 hours to a black neighborhood to kill my neighbors.

    Of course, they suffer from massive problems of......well, being fucking liars.

    We know this is a case of white supremacy because the dude wrote a nearly 200 page manifesto.

    In the Waukesha case, iirc, the dude was fleeing police on an DV arrest and......well, didn't stop for a parade, killing 6 people. There was no indications of racial animus in the event itself. I'm not sure if they ever looked into his background and declared him a "black supremacist." But that doesn't matter to these chucklefucks.
    The only reason Waukesha got play, and was exploited by the usual creatures, was because of the man's social media history. He called for violence against White People on social media. He plowed his car into exclusively white people. The media was particularly loathsome in their coverage at the time (hell, Twitter did a similarly stupid redux today on "a car drove through a Christmas parade"). It doesn't really deserve revisiting in this instance, since the differences are so stark.

    Moving on. People immediately blamed Tucker Carlson for the violence. It was trending alongside Buffalo. As you said, he published a 200 page manifesto, so this should be easy. All kinds of far-right internet sources, and the radicalization that happens online, and only mentioning Fox once. It's an image pointing out Jews working for the company. Curious, that, attacking Fox in the manifesto. He claims membership in the moderate authoritarian left political compass. He rejects Christianity. He promotes green nationalism. This is not the Tucker Carlson home crew. But people want to make it about Tucker and Fox News, and lo and behold, empower their intellectual equals to do the same junk at longer distance. It's just about shoving square pegs into round holes with enough rhetorical violence. I suggest stop mainstreaming and normalizing shooters in ways that make countering their ideology harder (i.e. he's just like people questioning border policies leading to millions in illegal immigration, and why it continues). And by all means, decry white supremacist violence in America. And wonder why he appeared on law enforcement radar prior to the event and escaped notice afterwards.

    I'm not sure where you are on assigning blame for terrorists to political party and/or partisan opinion hosts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    I'm not sure where you are on assigning blame for terrorists to political party and/or partisan opinion hosts.
    When said political figures or partisan opinion hosts are pushing the same violent rhetoric that inspired the attack.

    We're not trying to paint the Mona Lisa. There's two dots, labeled 1 and 2, and we're connecting them. It's not nearly as complicated as you're making it out to be.


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    Imagine defending Tucker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    When said political figures or partisan opinion hosts are pushing the same violent rhetoric that inspired the attack.

    We're not trying to paint the Mona Lisa. There's two dots, labeled 1 and 2, and we're connecting them. It's not nearly as complicated as you're making it out to be.
    Tucker Carlson: "When confronted or pressed for details, [proponents of diversity] retreat into a familiar platitude, which they repeat like a zen koan: diversity is our strength. But is diversity our strength? The less we have in common, the stronger we are? Is that true of families? Is it true in neighborhoods or businesses? Of course not. Then why is it true of America? Nobody knows. Nobody's even allowed to ask the question."

    Tucker Carlson, again: "How precisely is diversity our strength. Since you've made this our new national motto, please be specific as you explain it. Can you think, for example, of other institutions such as, I don't know, marriage or military units, in which the less people have in common the more cohesive they are? Do you get along better with your neighbors or your coworkers if you can't understand each other or share no common values?"

    Buffalo Shooter: "Why is diversity said to be our greatest strength? Does anyone even ask why? It is spoken like a mantra and repeated ad infinitum "diversity is our greatest strength, diversity is our greatest strength, diversity is our greatest strength...". Said throughout the media, spoken by politicians, educators and celebrities. But no one ever seems to give a reason why. What gives a nation strength? And how does diversity increase that strength. What part of diversity causes this increase in strength? No one can give an answer."

    "But he didn't cite Carlson specifically so he can't have been influenced by his repeated pushing of replacement theory" is such a braindead take because if the shooter's manifesto was submitted as an academic paper without citing Carlson, it'd be flagged for plagiarism.

    Moreover, there's a distinct lack of parity because there are absolutely zero (0) mainstream media sources equivalent to Fox or even Newsmax or OANN pushing "anti-white" garbage inspiring a similar trend of anti-white violence. But it's tehdang so go figure that they'd take the most dishonest position possible.
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  18. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    The only reason Waukesha got play, and was exploited by the usual creatures, was because of the man's social media history. He called for violence against White People on social media. He plowed his car into exclusively white people. The media was particularly loathsome in their coverage at the time (hell, Twitter did a similarly stupid redux today on "a car drove through a Christmas parade"). It doesn't really deserve revisiting in this instance, since the differences are so stark.

    Moving on. People immediately blamed Tucker Carlson for the violence. It was trending alongside Buffalo. As you said, he published a 200 page manifesto, so this should be easy. All kinds of far-right internet sources, and the radicalization that happens online, and only mentioning Fox once. It's an image pointing out Jews working for the company. Curious, that, attacking Fox in the manifesto. He claims membership in the moderate authoritarian left political compass. He rejects Christianity. He promotes green nationalism. This is not the Tucker Carlson home crew. But people want to make it about Tucker and Fox News, and lo and behold, empower their intellectual equals to do the same junk at longer distance. It's just about shoving square pegs into round holes with enough rhetorical violence. I suggest stop mainstreaming and normalizing shooters in ways that make countering their ideology harder (i.e. he's just like people questioning border policies leading to millions in illegal immigration, and why it continues). And by all means, decry white supremacist violence in America. And wonder why he appeared on law enforcement radar prior to the event and escaped notice afterwards.

    I'm not sure where you are on assigning blame for terrorists to political party and/or partisan opinion hosts.
    The fact that he didn't verbatim quote Tucker for the 200 pages of his racist word salad (albeit he nearly did for a passage, as someone else quoted) does not mean the guy wasn't an inspiration, considering the main arguments are the same and that, whatever the guy might say about green nationalism or whatever tangent you prefer to focus on, him driving 3 hours away from home to gun down a majority of black people with, allegedly, a gun decorated with the N word speaks volume as to what his primary motivation actually is.

    Also, Tucker's hardly alone in being the sort of anti-diversity champion that would very much inspire that sort of shithead. He's just by far the most prominent, given that he's the single biggest show in the US. Don't be surprised if he takes the heat considering the guy has a history of pushing this Great Replacement idiocy.

    Dissociating the attacker from extremists who shout the same rhetoric as him is like dissociating Al-Qaeda from Salafism or (P)IRA crimes from hardline Irish nationalism. Context matters, and extremism feeds itself. Terrorists don't just spring out of the ground with weapons and killing intent.
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  19. #119
    I love that when batshit rightwing nutjobs claim to be "leftist authoritarian communists," rightwingers claim it's case shut.

    The issue is that these guys claim that to make it seem like they're more balanced than they actually are. There's no indication this guy believes anything communist, or "green" or anything like that. He's from bumfuck rural NY, he's not a leftist. His actions scream rightwing.

    And his manifesto echoes rightwing talking points throughout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    The issue is that these guys claim that to make it seem like they're more balanced than they actually are. There's no indication this guy believes anything communist, or "green" or anything like that. He's from bumfuck rural NY, he's not a leftist. His actions scream rightwing.
    For the longest time in the US it was possible to be left wing on economic stuff and be a social conservative on everything else. Most people hate big business in general. I don't think the Dixiecrats ever went away. They've just been wooed by the GOP because their social issues are more important than economic ones. Trump was elected on being an "outsider" who stood with the "average" American. Hell Tucker had his little rant against unfettered economic growth as well.

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